Merill Hoge Rg3 Over Luck

[Brooklyn Colt]

basket weaving 101 is as difficult as political science. And Communications? I fing nothing difficult with TALKING. (unless you are Shannon Sharpe)

Might as well go to Devry institute.

you guys are unbelievable..I'm done with this topic..

So are you saying that RGIII isn't smart and mature. Do your research on him. He has a 3.67 GPA at Baylor and graduated from college early. He is now working on his Masters degree that he will complete this summer. He has aspirations of becoming an attorney. Both of his parents served in the military. The guy is a class act and a hard worker.

There is nothing wrong with being a fan of Luck but there is no need to belittle RGIII. Colts would be good with either QB.

well said sir..

[deedub75]

I'm going to throw out the race card here. I believe if RGIII were white then people on this site would be arguing over who is better....Luck or RGIII. It makes absolutely no since to belittle RGIII because he is black. Do your research on the guy. He is very smart, talented and athletic. He graduated from Baylor with a 3.67 GPA in politcal science and is working on his masters which he will complete this summer. He has never been in any trouble. He has a great arm and is very accurate. He is a pass first QB and runs when there is an opening or when he needs to run.

I would be OK with either RGIII or Luck and I'm glad Irsay and Grigson are studying them both before they just say they're gonna pick Luck.

This blatant racism really sickens me.

[deedub75]

post of the week.

What does it matter where the RGIII discussion was then. He had a solid year but he wasn't expected to come out that year. Luck was expected to come out. He is in the conversation now and that's all that matters.

[WoolMagnet]

you guys are unbelievable..I'm done with this topic..

You are right, my statement was too harsh.

But seriously tho, get a 3.67 in engineering and I'd be impressed.

Political science, not so much.

[deedub75]

You are right, my statement was too harsh.

But seriously tho, get a 3.67 in engineering and I'd be impressed.

Political science, not so much.

A 3.67 gpa is nothing to laugh at, not matter what your major is. Also, the fact that he did this in 3 years is admirable. Plus, he did all of this while having a successful college football career.

[ruksak]

I'm going to throw out the race card here. I believe if RGIII were white then people on this site would be arguing over who is better....Luck or RGIII. It makes absolutely no since to belittle RGIII because he is black. Do your research on the guy. He is very smart, talented and athletic. He graduated from Baylor with a 3.67 GPA in politcal science and is working on his masters which he will complete this summer. He has never been in any trouble. He has a great arm and is very accurate. He is a pass first QB and runs when there is an opening or when he needs to run.

I would be OK with either RGIII or Luck and I'm glad Irsay and Grigson are studying them both before they just say they're gonna pick Luck.

This blatant racism really sickens me.

So if we have issue with a 6'2 220lb rookie QB whom has a propensity to run, we're racists?

Hmmmm......the one yelling "racism" is the only one to mention skin color. You aren't Al Sharpton, are you?

[GrizzColt]

Hoge is making his living by being controversial these days...mainly by piling on Tim Tebow. When Jaws (who also watches a lot of film and was a QB) says he would take Griffin, I would be more apt to listen. That being said, Kiper is very good at what he does and I'll go with him over Hoge anyday.

[WoolMagnet]

I'm going to throw out the race card here. I believe if RGIII were white then people on this site would be arguing over who is better....Luck or RGIII. It makes absolutely no since to belittle RGIII because he is black. Do your research on the guy. He is very smart, talented and athletic. He graduated from Baylor with a 3.67 GPA in politcal science and is working on his masters which he will complete this summer. He has never been in any trouble. He has a great arm and is very accurate. He is a pass first QB and runs when there is an opening or when he needs to run.

I would be OK with either RGIII or Luck and I'm glad Irsay and Grigson are studying them both before they just say they're gonna pick Luck.

This blatant racism really sickens me.

The race card thing is not cool. Its 2012, MOST of the league isn't white.

Using the race card is a cop out, imo.

I, personally, want Luck over RG3 primarily because of LUCK HIMSELF. And the fact that I don't want a running type of QB that will risk injury moreso than a player who is more of a pocket-type guy.

I know RG3 can stand in the pocket, but he WILL run. Especially early in his career.

Using the race thing in professional footbal is just not right. We're not Rush Limbaugh. There are plenty of non-white QBs that have been successful enough to squash that thought.

I haven't heard anyone complain that Reggie Wayne, Freeney, etc aren't white.

[Jules]

I'm going to throw out the race card here. I believe if RGIII were white then people on this site would be arguing over who is better....Luck or RGIII. It makes absolutely no since to belittle RGIII because he is black. Do your research on the guy. He is very smart, talented and athletic. He graduated from Baylor with a 3.67 GPA in politcal science and is working on his masters which he will complete this summer. He has never been in any trouble. He has a great arm and is very accurate. He is a pass first QB and runs when there is an opening or when he needs to run.

I would be OK with either RGIII or Luck and I'm glad Irsay and Grigson are studying them both before they just say they're gonna pick Luck.

This blatant racism really sickens me.

Well, white QBs show more success.

And a white QB to replace our ex white legend at QB makes sense too.

It's Indy.

[WoolMagnet]

A 3.67 gpa is nothing to laugh at, not matter what your major is. Also, the fact that he did this in 3 years is admirable. Plus, he did all of this while having a successful college football career.

There are many degrees that I could get a 3.67 in without ever going to class.

There are differences. MAJOR ones.

I wasn't doubting RG3's intelligence, only the difficulty of that degree.

[RGIII]

i think he is implying that standford is a better school than baylor....and he is correct.

He wasn't implying that, he said it directly. The implication of saying it directly was that Griffins academic achievements are less impressive... which might be true if it weren't for the fact that Griffin has academically outpaced Luck, which evens the playing field at a minimum.

You are right, my statement was too harsh.

But seriously tho, get a 3.67 in engineering and I'd be impressed.

Political science, not so much.

I'd take a masters in communication over a bachelor's in engineering by age 22 if I were to go back to that point in my life and was given the choice between the two. Engineering may be more demanding in some respects but the amount of total work and effort required for each accomplishment isn't actually so different as a lot of people like to pretend it is. Besides, in terms of practical value a degree is really just what you make of it. That masters is a far better stepping stone into certain fields or further education than a bachelor's is even if an engineering degree tends to open more immediate doors.

I should probably point out here that I'm pretty well versed in collegiate engineering courses, if you catch my drift

[Smitto]

I hear ya... Personally, I prefer Luck just because he is the "safer" pick and he seems to better fit the quarterback mold that the Colts are used to. They just gave up on Peyton so they need to bring some one in as close to him as possible for the fan base, imo. But I agree that Luck is not head and shoulders above RGIII like many believe. Some aspects of RGIII's game surpasses Luck, such as arm strength, deep ball accuracy, elite speed and ball velocity/spiral tightness. Whoever our front office selects, I trust that they will have done their homework and picked the person that best fits our franchise going forward. Unlike Manning/Leaf in 98, I don't think you can go wrong either way really. However, I am 99% confident that they will select Luck.

I can understand that, tbh the colts will not get a QB like peyton cause there's no QB like Peyton. Luck can scramble and he did also of that his junior year just like Griffin did that his senior year. Both are really accurate, I think ppl can only nit pick to say who's better...

I don't like the term NFL ready because every team has a different style of offense.. who ever it is I will fully support

[MSColtsFan]

What does it matter where the RGIII discussion was then. He had a solid year but he wasn't expected to come out that year. Luck was expected to come out. He is in the conversation now and that's all that matters.

It matters because the NFL is a marathon not a sprint. Because sustained excellence in performance is one of the few things which historically can be translated between college and pro football QB success. Because every year there is always a group of players who dramatically rise up boards, grab headlines, and crash the party. Look at what is happening to a guy like Tannehill, a guy who played more times at WR than QB, yet might go in the top 10 because QB is such a huge need.

I have said I like both QBs, I could care less if they were all purple, think RG3 will be a dynamic player in the NFL. But I also tend to exam the entire story, and not get distracted by todays latest headline. I also have serious concerns over any college QB, regardless of race, who comes out of a spread offense, when that is not what the Colts, nor anyone else runs. The learning curve for those QBs, and I'm talking Klingler and Leaf, as well as people like Ware, tends to be much bigger.

[Jules]

I was told a long time ago that Irsay was set on drafting Luck.

If it's not Luck I would be astonished.

[GrizzColt]

As far as what the Colts will do. I will say three things:

One: Irsay has a lot of fun with misdirection

Two: The guy he hired as the GM grew up (NFL speaking) in an organization that has coveted the running QB, first McNabb and then Vick.

Three: In this draft you have a QB is a lot like McNabb and Vick, except, he is more mature, has a better work ethic, better accuracy and more intelligent.

The people who will be surprised if the Colts draft RGIII are the ones that ignore 1, 2 and 3 and just go by what "everyone else says" should happen.

It doesn't take a rebel or independent thinker to pull for him instead of Luck. People who want attention are definitely doing it. Their games and/or youtube highlights have been viewed by most of us and we still choose Luck over Griffin. I do. The minor point Hoge made about Luck making better decisions is HUGE. Every QB that doesn't make it in the NFL is because he doesn't make good decisions. It's like the most important attribute.

[Smitto]

scott who?

Scott Baylis idk how you spell his last name, from sports center

[WoolMagnet]

Well, white QBs show more success.

And a white QB to replace our ex white legend at QB makes sense too.

It's Indy.

I think its more because Luck resembles (on the field) our HOF ex-QB than because of the color of his skin.

White QBs have been more successful. But I think that is primarily because there are more of them, white QBs are less of the "running-type"(less injuries), and the fact that there still is some bias in football, at all levels, when it comes to QBs.

It may not be right, but it still seems to be true.

RG# seems to be a bright, good QB and kid. I just don't see him in the same category as Luck.

But I am CERTAINLY no expert.

[WoolMagnet]

He wasn't implying that, he said it directly. The implication of saying it directly was that Griffins academic achievements are less impressive... which might be true if it weren't for the fact that Griffin has academically outpaced Luck, which evens the playing field at a minimum.

I'd take a masters in communication over a bachelor's in engineering by age 22 if I were to go back to that point in my life and was given the choice between the two. Engineering may be more demanding in some respects but the amount of total work and effort required for each accomplishment isn't actually so different as a lot of people like to pretend it is. Besides, in terms of practical value a degree is really just what you make of it. That masters is a far better stepping stone into certain fields or further education than a bachelor's is even if an engineering degree tends to open more immediate doors.

I should probably point out here that I'm pretty well versed in collegiate engineering courses, if you catch my drift

I hate to tell you , but a bachelors in engineering is FAR more demanding than a masters in communications.

Its not even close.

[Malakai432]

I would be shocked if they didn't take Andrew Luck but at the same time I'm sure I would jump on the RGiii bandwagon. He would be exciting to watch at least. That being said I still hope they take Andrew Luck, but I do like both of them.

[WoolMagnet]

Scott Baylis idk how you spell his last name, from sports center

SKIP bayless?

Its no wonder HE would like RG#.

He seems to think Tebow is the best QB in the league.

[GrizzColt]

I hate to tell you , but a bachelors in engineering is FAR more demanding than a masters in communications.

Its not even close.

I agree with that. They shouldn't even be compared.

[Jules]

I think its more because Luck resembles (on the field) our HOF ex-QB than because of the color of his skin.

White QBs have been more successful. But I think that is primarily because there are more of them, white QBs are less of the "running-type"(less injuries), and the fact that there still is some bias in football, at all levels, when it comes to QBs.

It may not be right, but it still seems to be true.

RG# seems to be a bright, good QB and kid. I just don't see him in the same category as Luck.

But I am CERTAINLY no expert.

Yes Luck resembles Manning more.

People also forget that Luck is mobile too. White boy with wheels. Like Rodgers.

[Brooklyn Colt]

a white QB to replace our ex white legend at QB makes sense too.

It's Indy.

bout time somebody just come out and say it

at least you're honest..I respect it. :whatever:

[WoolMagnet]

I should probably point out here that I'm pretty well versed in collegiate engineering courses, if you catch my drift

Me too, as I have an undergrad degree(bach sience)(3.26) in Aeronautical engineering AND a masters degree (3.90).

So I'd say I too know what I'm talking about.

Masters degrees are designed for success. Bachelor degrees, especially engineering, are designed to "weed out" the riff-raff.

[WoolMagnet]

bout time somebody just come out and say it

at least you're honest..I respect it. :whatever:

I wouldn't care if the guy was purple, as long as he can play.

[Brooklyn Colt]

I wouldn't care if the guy was purple, as long as he can play.

actually..i'd be a little concerned

[WoolMagnet]

actually..i'd be a little concerned

Ok, me too.

probably bad circulation or something.

[Smitto]

Griffin graduated from Baylor. Baylor is not as terrible as FSU, but its definitely nowhere near an Ivy League equivalent

Griffin actually has a higher GPA regardless of the schools what matters is the classes they took.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20120321/SPORTS03/203210315/Colts-hit-road-Griffin-Luck-workouts?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CSports

[unitaswestand]

Some experts had Leaf over Manning. Hopefully the Colts aren't drinking the RGIll Kool-Aid.

[wig]

Hoge's job is to create traffic, sometimes doing this by controversial viewpoints. Guys like Kiper are paid to analyze prospects and give out truthful projections.

[deedub75]

The reason I say it is about race is because I have read comments stereotyping black QBs as run first and being unsuccessful in the NFL and that is just not the case. RGIII is not a run first QB. He is a pocket QB who has the ability to run when needed. Luck does the exact same thing and has run on several occassions and taken hard hits. They both run and are both susceptible to getting hurt.

So many of you are in love with Luck because he reminds you of Manning. Get over it. Manning is gone. Many of you are saying the Luck is smarter the Griffin. What are you basing this on? Just because Luck went to an Ivy League school and Griffin did not. Have you ever thought that Griffin may have just wanted to go to Baylor. Are you saying that any person who doesn't attend an Ivy League school is dumber than a person who does. So just because a person doesn't attend an Ivy League school he is not as smart as person who did? This logic is beyond stupid. My wife graduated valedictorian at her school and had her choice of any school, Ivy League or not, she wanted to attend but she chose Arkansas State instead. She is a board certified doctor now. Is she dumber than a person who went to an Ivy League school? I think not. As I recall, Manning went to Tennessee, which is not an Ivy League school. Is Manning not as smart as Luck? I wouldn't think so.

The bottom line is that if Griffin were white we would not be having this conversation. No one would be able to decide who is better. I am not endorsing either one. They are both excellent QBs, students, athletes, citizens, and I think the Colts would be great with either one. I am glad the Irsay and Grigson are taking their time and evaluating both of them.

[IndyTrav]

Luck is an academic All American at an Ivy league school with an Engineering degree. How is this even in question?!

As someone who majored in PolySci, it's a class based on theory and thought, not 'facts'. You get a 'gold star' simply by showing up. Similar to philosophy. There is no right and wrong.

And now, I work at an engineering company here in Indy. Ask me which ones harder. Please.

[BOTT]

Me too, as I have an undergrad degree(bach sience)(3.26) in Aeronautical engineering AND a masters degree (3.90).

So I'd say I too know what I'm talking about.

Masters degrees are designed for success. Bachelor degrees, especially engineering, are designed to "weed out" the riff-raff.

sick brag! i'm a navy seal/doctor/porn star

[deedub75]

Well, white QBs show more success.

And a white QB to replace our ex white legend at QB makes sense too.

It's Indy.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. White QBs are going to show more success because there is a much larger sample size of them to go by. Just like black WRs have more success because there is a much larger sample size of them.

And what do you mean by "It's Indy?" Are you saying that Indy is mostly white and a black QB would not be welcome? Because that's exactly what it sounds like.

[Coffeedrinker]

actually mcshay played qb in college...divison 2 i think

That's nice, that doesn't count.

[IndyTrav]

The reason I say it is about race is because I have read comments stereotyping black QBs as run first and being unsuccessful in the NFL and that is just not the case. RGIII is not a run first QB. He is a pocket QB who has the ability to run when needed. Luck does the exact same thing and has run on several occassions and taken hard hits. They both run and are both susceptible to getting hurt.

So many of you are in love with Luck because he reminds you of Manning. Get over it. Manning is gone. Many of you are saying the Luck is smarter the Griffin. What are you basing this on? Just because Luck went to an Ivy League school and Griffin did not. Have you ever thought that Griffin may have just wanted to go to Baylor. Are you saying that any person who doesn't attend an Ivy League school is dumber than a person who does. So just because a person doesn't attend an Ivy League school he is not as smart as person who did? This logic is beyond stupid. My wife graduated valedictorian at her school and had her choice of any school, Ivy League or not, she wanted to attend but she chose Arkansas State instead. She is a board certified doctor now. Is she dumber than a person who went to an Ivy League school? I think not. As I recall, Manning went to Tennessee, which is not an Ivy League school. Is Manning not as smart as Luck? I wouldn't think so.

The bottom line is that if Griffin were white we would not be having this conversation. No one would be able to decide who is better. I am not endorsing either one. They are both excellent QBs, students, athletes, citizens, and I think the Colts would be great with either one. I am glad the Irsay and Grigson are taking their time and evaluating both of them.

Blah blah blah race blah blah blah

If they were both white, RG3 wouldn't even be in the conversation. Lucks bigger, stronger, has a better pedigree, and ran .26 slower...Was coached by an NFL coach, and comes from an All-American football family.....in a pro style offense....

[BOTT]

Luck is an academic All American at an Ivy league school with an Engineering degree. How is this even in question?!

As someone who majored in PolySci, it's a class based on theory and thought, not 'facts'. You get a 'gold star' simply by showing up. Similar to philosophy. There is no right and wrong.

And now, I work at an engineering company here in Indy. Ask me which ones harder. Please.

i'm nit picking, but stanford isn't ivy league

[wig]

Well, white QBs show more success.

And a white QB to replace our ex white legend at QB makes sense too.

It's Indy.

Don't reproduce.

[BOTT]

That's nice, that doesn't count.

ok almighty maker of rules....

[deedub75]

Luck is an academic All American at an Ivy league school with an Engineering degree. How is this even in question?!

As someone who majored in PolySci, it's a class based on theory and thought, not 'facts'. You get a 'gold star' simply by showing up. Similar to philosophy. There is no right and wrong.

And now, I work at an engineering company here in Indy. Ask me which ones harder. Please.

What does it matter if someone majored in politcal science or architecture? Griffins wants to be an attorney and Luck wants to be an architect. Would you feel better if Griffin majored in architecture?

Manning majored in speech communications and finished in 3 years. Man, he must be a really dummy if your logic holds true.