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Fans would riot

How incredibly self absorbed are the fans you are indicating?

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4 hours ago, Indeee said:

I posted this in another thread and regardless of whatever "fun" this thread is suppose to incite, and regardless of whether or not you like my metaphors, this is the "Current" problem below

 

I think this organization and fanbase is at an internal crossroads and I think it really isn't any real fault of their own at the foundational issue that has caused this. Not bashing Luck, but being completely honest, Luck set this team into a cracked foundation, a crack we have not yet been able to seal properly. Where I do believe that this organization has, for the most part, built upon that foundation that was damaged or not laid correctly by Grigson, the missing piece is the piece that stabilizes the base and that is the QB. We ALL know this. I think the reason they have been so adamant about JB all along is that JB possess a lot of characteristics that normally, a sound structural part of a foundation would hold and through the first half of last season it seemed, even though not completely solidifying that quickly, that the crack might have a chance to eventually be sealed once it completely dried. Unfortunately though, that sealant(JB) never completely solidified and remains wet to the touch as we speak and began to seep out the sides of the crack, and that has bewildered everyone to as why? Why didn't JB completely solidify into that crack? Rivers, Kelly, and Eason are all band-aids at this point, with Rivers being the largest band-aid in the box. Rivers cannot be the sealant this team is looking for long term only because his cannister is pretty close to being empty. Whether it be Kelly or Eason, JB, or someone else, this team will never be completely rock solid at it's foundation until the void of a QB is sealed properly. IMO, this organization needs to completely scrape out and remove JB from this foundation to allow either Kelly or Eason the opportunity to completely solidify and fill that void, and if the organization still wants that to be JB then fine, but every ounce of his substance needs to be completely removed from that crack, allowing Kelly, Eason, and JB an equal shot to see who can solidify completely the quickest without any head starts or partially filled cracks. Filling a void partly with one substance that only slightly solidifies and then starts to either seep or break apart(JB), then slapping a patch over that area to stop the seeping while hoping it solidifies underneath(Rivers), and if that doesn't work entirely, entertaining the idea of using another substance to add to the part of the original substance that solidified partially in hoping each will bond together to fill the void, just won't work. Any builder will tell you that in order to get proper adhesion you must have one substance and one substance alone that will completely solidify and if the substance doesn't solidify on the first take, you clean out the area entirely and fill it again, you don't add to it and hope two substances gel together. IMHO, this organization needs to completely remove JB entirely from the foundation, however if they believe that JB can still completely solidify and just needs a little more time to dry under the patch of Rivers, we won't have that QB void completely solidified anytime soon.

 

That's quite the metaphor.

 

I tend to agree that removing JB now would be most beneficial long-term. Despite how you feel about Kelly...he doesn't really get a shot in a scenario with Rivers/JB/Eason on the roster. Doesn't matter if we want him to have that shot...but if THEY truly want to see what he can do...something has to give.

 

I actually think an Eason/Kelly battle for the backup spot would benefit both players long-term...as well fit the competitive culture of the Colts. And with the loser of that battle becoming QB3...the Colts don't lose anyone.

 

 

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1 minute ago, shastamasta said:

 

That's quite the metaphor.

 

I tend to agree that removing JB now would be most beneficial long-term. Despite how you feel about Kelly...he doesn't really get a shot in a scenario with Rivers/JB/Eason on the roster. All that matters is if they want him to have that shot...but if they truly want to see what he can do...something has to give.

 

I actually think an Eason/Kelly battle for the backup spot would benefit both players long-term...as well fit the competitive culture of the Colts. And with the loser of that battle becoming QB3...the Colts don't lose anyone.

 

 

If they wanted to give him a shot or saw enough of him to think he deserved a shot they would have done it last year in the last two games.  This is the NFL it’s not fair.  Not everyone gets a shot to show what they can do.  Teams keep guys around for the most part who they think is better now.  The Colts seem to think Jacoby is much better than Kelly.  They don’t seem to think it’s close and they think Jacoby adds value to this roster.  
 

I do think Jacoby adds a value that another poster brought up in this thread.  He knows this offense better than any QB on the roster and with Rivers trying to get his head around the new offense I doubt he’s going to be doing much to mentor Eason.  Jacoby’s knowledge and the fact he’s a born leader makes him a really good guy to do that.  
 

He also provides starter experience and knows the offense that he could take over in short order.  That’s exactly what you want in a backup.  If Rivers went down Brissett could come in and run the full offense right away.  He’s not another kid getting his first taste of real action.  
 

If you listen to the Colts it’s settled Rivers and Jacoby are the top two guys and Kelly and Eason are in a “battle” for the third spot.  I put battle in quotation marks because I think that’s more designed to push Eason than anything else.   
 

I don’t see them moving Jacoby right now either.  There just isn’t anything to gain from it that will provide significant value.  I will say there might be another window around roster cuts and early season should there be a major injury and team needs a QB.  With that said Irsay has seen this team get burned twice now by having “the” guy go down and not having a proven backup on the roster with Painter and Tolizen being those guys.  I think he’s learned his lesson and won’t be eager for Ballard to give away a proven backup for a yet again unproven backup option.

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46 minutes ago, KelownaColtsFan said:

Ah, I was under the impression that Hoyer was a 1 year deal. You're right though Colts do have a lot of money tied up in QB's this year. But I doubt anyone though the QB position was in any way settled last season.

 

Yeah...Luck retiring was obviously the catalyst. But I think they thought (maybe hoped is a better word) that they had at least a two-year solution...with the hope that JB would prove to be a long-term starter. But they quickly learned that they would have to change course. 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

If they wanted to give him a shot or saw enough of him to think he deserved a shot they would have done it last year in the last two games.  This is the NFL it’s not fair.  Not everyone gets a shot to show what they can do.  Teams keep guys around for the most part who they think is better now.  The Colts seem to think Jacoby is much better than Kelly.  They don’t seem to think it’s close and they think Jacoby adds value to this roster.  

 

I do think Jacoby adds a value that another poster brought up in this thread.  He knows this offense better than any QB on the roster and with Rivers trying to get his head around the new offense I doubt he’s going to be doing much to mentor Eason.  Jacoby’s knowledge and the fact he’s a born leader makes him a really good guy to do that.

 

He also provides starter experience and knows the offense that he could take over in short order.  That’s exactly what you want in a backup.  If Rivers went down Brissett could come in and run the full offense right away.  He’s not another kid getting his first taste of real action.  

 

If you listen to the Colts it’s settled Rivers and Jacoby are the top two guys and Kelly and Eason are in a “battle” for the third spot.  I put battle in quotation marks because I think that’s more designed to push Eason than anything else.   

 

I don’t see them moving Jacoby right now either.  There just isn’t anything to gain from it that will provide significant value.  I will say there might be another window around roster cuts and early season should there be a major injury and team needs a QB.  With that said Irsay has seen this team get burned twice now by having “the” guy go down and not having a proven backup on the roster with Painter and Tolizen being those guys.  I think he’s learned his lesson and won’t be eager for Ballard to give away a proven backup for a yet again unproven backup option.

 

They weren't going to bench JB. The optics of that were awful...for everyone involved. 

 

I don't really know how they feel about Kelly...so it's JMO...but I think a situation where Eason/Kelly battle for backup duties could work just fine. Rivers hasn't missed a game in 224 straight...so being his backup is probably more about cost and/or long-term value...not the short-term. That's not to say it's impossible he will miss games...just very unlikely.

 

There is certainly significant monetary value to be gained in moving on from JB...but keeping him does seem like the direction they are taking. Though I think things are settled until they aren't...a lot can happen.

 

Irsay saying they got burned twice seems disingenuous...the Colts benefited massively from those recent bad seasons. 

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7 hours ago, Indeee said:

I posted this in another thread and regardless of whatever "fun" this thread is suppose to incite, and regardless of whether or not you like my metaphors, this is the "Current" problem below

 

I think this organization and fanbase is at an internal crossroads and I think it really isn't any real fault of their own at the foundational issue that has caused this. Not bashing Luck, but being completely honest, Luck set this team into a cracked foundation, a crack we have not yet been able to seal properly. Where I do believe that this organization has, for the most part, built upon that foundation that was damaged or not laid correctly by Grigson, the missing piece is the piece that stabilizes the base and that is the QB. We ALL know this. I think the reason they have been so adamant about JB all along is that JB possess a lot of characteristics that normally, a sound structural part of a foundation would hold and through the first half of last season it seemed, even though not completely solidifying that quickly, that the crack might have a chance to eventually be sealed once it completely dried. Unfortunately though, that sealant(JB) never completely solidified and remains wet to the touch as we speak and began to seep out the sides of the crack, and that has bewildered everyone to as why? Why didn't JB completely solidify into that crack? Rivers, Kelly, and Eason are all band-aids at this point, with Rivers being the largest band-aid in the box. Rivers cannot be the sealant this team is looking for long term only because his cannister is pretty close to being empty. Whether it be Kelly or Eason, JB, or someone else, this team will never be completely rock solid at it's foundation until the void of a QB is sealed properly. IMO, this organization needs to completely scrape out and remove JB from this foundation to allow either Kelly or Eason the opportunity to completely solidify and fill that void, and if the organization still wants that to be JB then fine, but every ounce of his substance needs to be completely removed from that crack, allowing Kelly, Eason, and JB an equal shot to see who can solidify completely the quickest without any head starts or partially filled cracks. Filling a void partly with one substance that only slightly solidifies and then starts to either seep or break apart(JB), then slapping a patch over that area to stop the seeping while hoping it solidifies underneath(Rivers), and if that doesn't work entirely, entertaining the idea of using another substance to add to the part of the original substance that solidified partially in hoping each will bond together to fill the void, just won't work. Any builder will tell you that in order to get proper adhesion you must have one substance and one substance alone that will completely solidify and if the substance doesn't solidify on the first take, you clean out the area entirely and fill it again, you don't add to it and hope two substances gel together. IMHO, this organization needs to completely remove JB entirely from the foundation, however if they believe that JB can still completely solidify and just needs a little more time to dry under the patch of Rivers, we won't have that QB void completely solidified anytime soon.


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On 5/4/2020 at 1:27 AM, CurBeatElite said:

I could see us potentially trading him to a team (potentially NE) for a 5th round pick

Super Bowl-winning quarterback Nick Foles was traded for a fourth round, three time Pro Bowl quarterback Andy Dalton could not generate a trade and had to be released, three time Pro Bowl quarterback Cam Newton could not generate a trade and had to be released. No one is giving the Colts a 5th round pick for Jacoby Brissett and his contact.

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On 5/3/2020 at 3:59 PM, MikeCurtis said:

LOL

 

Sheeze, Chloe..... picking fights already?
 

I think there are a few possible outcomes.....

 

1) If they are both equally average. Eason makes the Team, CK does not, JB Stays

 

2) If Eason is excellent and CK is average or less, CK is gone , JB Stays

 

3) If CK is excellent and Eason is way below average , Eason is cut , JB Stays

 

4) If they BOTH are excellent, they both stay, and a conversation of trade or cut goes to JB

 

 

Yeah, option 4 wins by a mile for the present and especially for the future...Eason or Kelly as starter and the other as the backup.

Brissett should have been gone long ago.

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I think it says a lot about this team when there can be a discussion if it’s 4th round pick will make the team.  Great depth everywhere. 
 

My opinion on either of these guys is it really doesn’t matter.  Both are high level backups at best but most likely neither will have a career worth talking about.  

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On 5/4/2020 at 3:17 AM, GoColts8818 said:

It’s the NFL injuries happen, don’t forget Jacoby got hurt behind this same line last year.  So while having a good line lowers your risk for injury it doesn’t completely negate it.  
 

The Colts aren’t hurting for money this year.  They had more than enough money to spend on guys they wanted so his contract isn’t a big deal to him this year and it’s the last year of that deal.  
 

Also, they want the best backup they can have if the starter gets hurt and they think Jacoby is better than Kelly.  I know that’s hard for some to understand (and I don’t mean that as an insult I am not a big Jacoby fan myself).  I am just listening to everything the team says.  It’s pretty clear they haven’t given up on Jacoby even if the fans have.  
 

It’s becoming clear that the Colts don’t think Kelly is anywhere close to as good as some fans want him to be.  If they did they would give him a shot.  The fact that they haven’t at every chance should tell people something.  

Ya that can happen when the defender responsible for the injury is getting away with hands to the face...

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On 5/3/2020 at 7:09 PM, KelownaColtsFan said:

I kinda hope they dump Jacoby and Let Kelly and Eason battle it out. We know what we have in Brissett and that is a quality back up at best. I don't see the point in keeping him around if all he's doing is taking practice snaps away from the other 2. 

Unfortunately the Colts have about 20 million reasons to keep JB.

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Lets see if we can find a couple of more reasons to whine about Brissett? 

Ballard has said Brissett is the back up QB at this time. End of story. 

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42 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Lets see if we can find a couple of more reasons to whine about Brissett? 

Ballard has said Brissett is the back up QB at this time. End of story. 

I don't know who has got more bashed on this site, Chuck or JB, it is close. I don't count Trent because he actually was bad. Even when we were 5-2, some were saying we were winning despite him. What a pile of Horse dung, he had 2 300 yard games in that stretch and had 14 TD's and only 3 INT's. He helped us win games. He just isn't a franchise QB so let the haters pile on I guess homer simpson GIF. There is nothing wrong with keeping JB 1 more year as he is the 2nd best QB on the roster and is off the books after this year. I don't get the gripe by some in here??

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4 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I don't know who has got more bashed on this site, Chuck or JB, it is close. I don't count Trent because he actually was bad. Even when we were 5-2, some were saying we were winning despite him. What a pile of Horse dung, he had 2 300 yard games in that stretch and had 14 TD's and only 3 INT's. He helped us win games. He just isn't a franchise QB so let the haters pile on I guess homer simpson GIF. There is nothing wrong with keeping JB 1 more year as he is the 2nd best QB on the roster and is off the books after this year. I don't get the gripe by some in here??

I have no problem with what anyone really says about Brissett at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinions no doubt.

My thing is there is nothing more one way or another that can be said. To keep harping over and over not only gets old it don't say anything new. Personally, I hate a broken record. 

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51 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

I have no problem with what anyone really says about Brissett at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinions no doubt.

My thing is there is nothing more one way or another that can be said. To keep harping over and over not only gets old it don't say anything new. Personally, I hate a broken record. 

That is my deal too. Some just want to dwell on it. We have Rivers now so I am over it. Brissett is a solid backup as well. 

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On 7/27/2020 at 7:15 PM, horseshoepower said:

Eason, picked a bad year to be a rookie. 

I see the opposite, he's not going to have to compete to make it through to next year.

Ballard loves his draft picks too much.

 

JMHO

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