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Trading down "should" be on a case by case scenario (depends on how the draft play put). At some point you have to pick a "good" player, especially if you have confidence in your scouting department t

Take the best player with your pick. Missing a player trading down is a lack of confidence. Trading down if it doesn’t work out then it’s not as big a mistake. Colts need difference makers not just vo

This is entirely dictated by how the draft unfolds..... and how we have our board stacked.   Ballard won’t trade down just for the sake of trading down.   He hammered home the BPA

13 hours ago, Blueblood23 said:

You don’t know who the Colts would have selected had they stayed put.

And you don't know if the BPA they did select would have panned out or not. How about you do some research to back up your claims and research the top 10 draft players we could have selected had we stayed put, and how well they panned out.

 

Better yet, just do the top 5 for each.  One stipulation, don't go and say they would have picked someone 15-20 picks after that actually panned out, you have to be at least realistic for your results to be credible.

 

If you don't want to put in the effort to back up your statements, then no one will take you seriously and you need to stop being so pompous.

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Some of you just want Ballard to take the  popular picks that the media have told you we should pick.  It’s exciting and makes for great entertainment but Ballard was brought in because Irsay thought Chris could build a Super Bowl team.  Not the media. 

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5 hours ago, Narcosys said:

And you don't know if the BPA they did select would have panned out or not. How about you do some research to back up your claims and research the top 10 draft players we could have selected had we stayed put, and how well they panned out.

 

Better yet, just do the top 5 for each.  One stipulation, don't go and say they would have picked someone 15-20 picks after that actually panned out, you have to be at least realistic for your results to be credible.

 

If you don't want to put in the effort to back up your statements, then no one will take you seriously and you need to stop being so pompous.

There is no way to have done any research in the minds of the Colts brass in knowing what players they would have selected had they stayed put. No one on the planet would have had Leonard going that high. There are other players teams take that are not rated by the various services that are a head scratcher to the casual fan. The Bears took Kyle Long high years ago going from memory. We just don’t know who anyone takes during the draft as trades, anticipation, emotion or other factors occur during the process.

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1 minute ago, Blueblood23 said:

There is no way to have done any research in the minds of the Colts brass in knowing what players they would have selected had they stayed put. No one on the planet would have had Leonard going that high. There are other players teams take that are not rated by the various services that are a head scratcher to the casual fan. The Bears took Kyle Long high years ago going from memory. We just don’t know who anyone takes during the draft as trades, anticipation, emotion or other factors occur during the process.

But you seem to have all the answers here Mr. Armchair GM.  

 

you want to state they should pick BPA, but you haven't gone back to do any research to suggest that the Colts would have been better off if they had stayed put in previous drafts. If you can prove that BPA is better than picks, then you might have some credibility. But sitting here and arguing that your position is right, or that your strategy would be better than a seasoned GM, without any weight behind it is pointless. 

 

I'm merely challenging you to back up your statements. Now here you are back peddling and trying to find a scapegoat, while still defending your position. You can't have it both ways. Put up or shut up as the saying goes.

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On 4/20/2020 at 6:29 AM, BornHoosier said:

WOW, what a thought out post but what I can't rap my head around is what if CB and Staff trade back & miss out on real pro bowl talent that was there at 34/44?  In this draft, there are pro bowl talent at 34/44 but can not say the same after that as the later the pick the more questions there are.  It would be quite the gamble for this staff to trade back & still get the quality of picks.  Remember, this Colts Team is not rebuilding but just a few difference makers from representing the AFC so why GAMBLE?

 

Every pick is a what if and gamble.  What if they didn't trade back and draft a bust? It was a gamble. 

 

Your line of thinking follows a false assumption that at any given players draft ranking means they are better than those that follow. Which cannot be proven to be true or false.

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On 4/17/2020 at 11:50 PM, Blueblood23 said:

Take the best player with your pick. Missing a player trading down is a lack of confidence. Trading down if it doesn’t work out then it’s not as big a mistake. Colts need difference makers not just volume

 

 

20 minutes ago, Blueblood23 said:

There is no way to have done any research in the minds of the Colts brass in knowing what players they would have selected had they stayed put

 

 

Here is the disconnect between your positions:  In your first statement it is clear that it is of your opinion and your mindset that staying put is best and trading back is weak. 

 

Then in your next statement you claim you can't say one way or another that staying put would have been better because you don't know the Colts brass mindset.  

 

You are trying to argue one point by looking through opposing mindsets, that doesn't work. You need to take your approach that you believe to be better, and do your own research based on what you believed was the Colts need at the time and who you would have picked at their original positions.  

 

Heck one pick is easy, we know the colts selected Leonard with a pick they already had, not one they received in a trade back. There's one answer for you already. You just need to figure out the other picks. Then do a critical evaluation as to whether you think your team structure would have been better than what we got. 

 

Pretty simple, take ya maybe 30 minutes. 

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27 minutes ago, Blueblood23 said:

 No one on the planet would have had Leonard going that high. 

To pick a nit here.  I'll raise my hand.  But admittedly, not at 37.

 

Since I know that GMs, especially Ballard, draft for need; in the 2018 draft we needed both Gs and a rangy ILB.  I wanted Roquan Smith because he was the best rangy (non thumper) ILB in the draft.  Seeing that 6 was a bad place for Smith, I read up on who was the next best rangy ILB was. 

 

While other ILBs were ranked higher than Leonard, most of them had the thumper description that I knew we did not want. 

 

Leonard was clearly the next best rangy ILB, had all of the traits and production, but what held him back was that he came from a small school.  Some pundits had him mocked in the second round.   I cheered when CB selected him knowing that if he didn't get Leonard at 36 or 37, Leonard would be gone by our high third round pick.

 

There were plenty of indications that Leonard would go by at least mid round second. 

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