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Meanwhile .... “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has released their estimates for the influenza season from October 1, 2019 and February 29, 2020. During that period, an estimated 34 to 49 million people have been sickened with the flu, with 350,000 to 620,000 hospitalized. The estimated deaths from the flu is between 20,000 and 52,000 people.”

 

The panic over corona is relatively just so out of hand.

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The NBA season wasn't cancelled...it was suspended. The NFL season is still very far away.

 

It might (or maybe even likely will) affect the NFL Draft. I looked at flights and hotel for Vegas that week...and they are so cheap right now. You can get 4 nights at the Bellagio and roundtrip airfare for $400 total. A couple months ago, it was $500/night.

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4 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

The NBA season wasn't cancelled...it was suspended. The NFL season is still very far away.

 

It might (or maybe even likely) affect the NFL Draft. I looked at flights and hotel for Vegas that week...and they are so cheap right now. You can get 4 nights at the Bellagio and roundtrip airfare for $400 total. A couple months ago, it was $500/night.

hot damn, wish i lived in North America!

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7 minutes ago, RNGDShobby said:

hot damn, wish i lived in North America!

 

I am very tempted to book it...it has free cancellation (according to Travelocity). I really don't know how...short of suspending the draft altogether...that they can keep fans away. It's an outdoor venue...and I doubt the casinos are closing. But who knows.

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6 minutes ago, Shafty138 said:

As several have said.... This is largely manufactured hysteria.  It's literally a severe cold.  The flu kills and critically sickens thousands, upon thousands a year.... And is prevented in the same way this virus is.  This overreacting is absurd.

 

I don't want to mean to get into the politics of it...but it does seem a bit coincidental that within a couple hours...it is reported that a movie star (Tom Hanks) and a US star athlete (Gobert) have tested positive (no less on the same night that Trump addresses the nation). 

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1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

There is no news about the NFL as far as I know. Only the NBA. It's a major jump at this point to suggest impact to the NFL.

It’s not the season but people are starting to speculate that they might alter the draft as to not have people attend.  

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24 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

 

I don't want to mean to get into the politics of it...but it does seem a bit coincidental that within a couple hours...it is reported that a movie star (Tom Hanks) and a US star athlete (Gobert) have tested positive (no less on the same night that Trump addresses the nation). 

If it seems coincidental....    that’s because it IS coincidental.   Completely and totally.

 

As the kids like to say these days.... 100 percent.   Honestly.  
 

We’re a big country.   With a huge vibrant economy (until roughly the last two weeks).   There is so much over-lap that there's going to be plenty of coincidental announcements.  Many businesses and organizations are reacting to what others are doing.   We’re in unchartered territory.   There is no coordination of announcements even if it might appear that way from a distance.  
 

Sports-wise....   look for the NHL to make a similar decision soon,   Look for MLB to consider postponing the start of its season as well.

 

The NFL Draft may be impacted.   It’s still about 6-7 weeks away.   This might be old news by then.  But you may not want it to be an event where tens of thousands are gathered together.  The event would still go on, but the logistics would change.   Just thinking out loud....  

 

For right now...   it’s just one day at a time.  

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Dad was at the combine with IU health doing heart rate and breathing test on players. He told me word was going around from NFL higher ups is that if the outbreak gets bad then fans will not be at the draft in Vegas. Players will also possibly not be there as well. Possibly the draft may be postponed. There isn’t a source yet because at the time this was being discussed no media was around , and he happened to here a little bit of a conversation while on the toiletlmao . NFL hasn’t said anything just don’t be surprised if something happens. Also stay safe guys !

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1 hour ago, rockywoj said:

Meanwhile .... “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has released their estimates for the influenza season from October 1, 2019 and February 29, 2020. During that period, an estimated 34 to 49 million people have been sickened with the flu, with 350,000 to 620,000 hospitalized. The estimated deaths from the flu is between 20,000 and 52,000 people.”

 

The panic over corona is relatively just so out of hand.

Thank god, someone with a post thank has logic in it. I’m in the medical profession and this is the most overhyped, overblown, ridiculously fabricated crisis I’ve ever witnessed in my 25 years in this field. There is zero % increased risk of this virus over the influenza A virus. If you are this worried about COVID-19, you should be scared to fricken death of the flu virus. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, rockywoj said:

Meanwhile .... “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has released their estimates for the influenza season from October 1, 2019 and February 29, 2020. During that period, an estimated 34 to 49 million people have been sickened with the flu, with 350,000 to 620,000 hospitalized. The estimated deaths from the flu is between 20,000 and 52,000 people.”

 

The panic over corona is relatively just so out of hand.

 

 

Right now COVID 19 is 3.4 percent mortality.  I wouldn't mess around with that. It is significantly higher than this years flu. Sure, dont panic, but I would not make light of it. 

 

I think if you look at countries hit hardest by the virus, it seems serious enough to warrant some consideration.  Im washing my hands about double what I used to. Im not going nuts on TP though, what is this a diarrhea epidemic? 

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20 minutes ago, Jdubu said:

Thank god, someone with a post thank has logic in it. I’m in the medical profession and this is the most overhyped, overblown, ridiculously fabricated crisis I’ve ever witnessed in my 25 years in this field. There is zero % increased risk of this virus over the influenza A virus. If you are this worried about COVID-19, you should be scared to fricken death of the flu virus. 
 

 

You’re in the healthcare business and you thought this was an appropriate post to make?    
 

Seriously?   
 

Dear God.......     :facepalm:

 

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32 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

It’s not the season but people are starting to speculate that they might alter the draft as to not have people attend.  

My point is, it's stupid to title a thread (NFL season may be cancelled....), when the season is 6 months away, and nobody has officially said anything. I mean it's not even rumor lol.. Just someone's speculation... It reminds me of mainstream media click bait titles... Sure they may have a fan free draft, but that has zero to do with the season. Like I said... Toooo sooooon...

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41 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

You’re in the healthcare business and you thought this was an appropriate post to make?    
 

Seriously?   
 

Dear God.......     :facepalm:

 

Yes I do because the hysteria, and apparently you subscribe into it, is pure craziness! 

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1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

My point is, it's stupid to title a thread (NFL season may be cancelled....), when the season is 6 months away, and nobody has officially said anything. I mean it's not even rumor lol.. Just someone's speculation... It reminds me of mainstream media click bait titles... Sure they may have a fan free draft, but that has zero to do with the season. Like I said... Toooo sooooon...

That’s fair I agree with that.  I was just saying it is impacting the NFL.  With that said I agree it’s way too soon to speculate as if the season will be canceled.

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1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

You’re in the healthcare business and you thought this was an appropriate post to make?    
 

Seriously?   
 

Dear God.......     :facepalm:

 

Yes, they did, mostly because it is.  3.4 percent mortality....of known tested, verified cases.... Tons of people ha e had, are having, and will have this strain of coronavirus without ever even knowing it.  This is all quite the overreaction, mostly due to our current societal  need to cover our own * because of overt litigiousness today.

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2 hours ago, CanuckColtsFan said:

 

 

Right now COVID 19 is 3.4 percent mortality.  I wouldn't mess around with that. It is significantly higher than this years flu. Sure, dont panic, but I would not make light of it. 

 

I think if you look at countries hit hardest by the virus, it seems serious enough to warrant some consideration.  Im washing my hands about double what I used to. Im not going nuts on TP though, what is this a diarrhea epidemic? 

Let’s put it this way we don’t cancel sporting events and give up millions of dollars for the flu or other outbreaks.  
 

I agree panicking is going over board but people aren’t canceling these things for no reason.  These people don’t give up this kind of money normally at all, to do it is a major warning sign that this should be taken seriously.  
 

Again, panic no.  Take it seriously?  Yes.  

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1 hour ago, Jdubu said:

Yes I do because the hysteria, and apparently you subscribe into it, is pure craziness! 

 

The people I follow are not into hystgeria...    they are doctors and medical health care professionals of the highest order....    tops in their field.   


And they are telling the exact opposite story as you are.    In fact,  they'd call what you're saying unprofessional and that it's doing a diservice to the public which is badly uninformed.

 

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9 minutes ago, Shafty138 said:

Yes, they did, mostly because it is.  3.4 percent mortality....of known tested, verified cases.... Tons of people ha e had, are having, and will have this strain of coronavirus without ever even knowing it.  This is all quite the overreaction, mostly due to our current societal  need to cover our own * because of overt litigiousness today.

 

Do you realize that 3.4 percent mortality is dramatically higher than the regular flu which kills rough 30,000 Americans each year?    I think that mortality is roughly 1 percent.   Maybe slightly lower.    So, while the 3.4 percent number may not worry you,  it worries serious health care professionals who know what it means.

 

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Do NOT be fooled by total number statistics. The official number looks small. This is a NEW virus. There aren't enough tests. Not everyone that has it gets tested... not even close. People usually don't go to get tested for random flu/cold-like symptoms(about 80% of coronavirus patients get a mild form that goes away), this is in addition to tests not being widely available. There will be more. Germany has estimated 60% of their population might get the virus by the end of the year. More conservative estimates are that between 20 and 60% of the world population will get it. Even if you take the lower bound. this is a serious issue. 

 

Stop comparing it to the flu. Flu has mortality rate of 0.1%. As it stands now coronavirus kills about 2% of the people confirmed to have gotten it, but the mortality rate is likely lower, again - because not everyone gets tested right now and a lot of mild cases go unnoticed. More conservative estimates coming from South Korea, where they've had it for a while and have the most advanced screening is around 0.6%. So yeah... this is likely somewhere between 6 and 20 times more deadly than the flu. 

 

One of the biggest factors for limiting the mortality rate is quality and availability of care. While huge majority of cases get the mild form(about 80%), there are significant number that require hospitalization(this includes younger people, not just old folks). This is the real problem here - the healthcare system can get overwhelmed if it spreads too quickly. This is not about panic and hysteria, this is about taking reasonable measures to limit and delay the peak of contagion. Wash your hands regularly, try not touching your face in public, avoid large gatherings, if you can work from home - work from home, if you are sick - stay home, etc. It's important to flatten the curve of contagion.

 

One of the biggest problems right now is that this is a new virus and there are no vaccines for it and no approved anti-virals. This won't last forever. Next year we will probably have a vaccine for it and in a few months we might have effective anti-virals for it. This should severely limit the damage long-term and it might indeed turn into a flu-like disease. But right now - it is NOT. 

 

So yeah... don't panic but don't be dumb either. It's not the end of the world, but it's not something to underestimate either. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Do you realize that 3.4 percent mortality is dramatically higher than the regular flu which kills rough 30,000 Americans each year?    I think that mortality is roughly 1 percent.   Maybe slightly lower.    So, while the 3.4 percent number may not worry you,  it worries serious health care professionals who know what it means.

 

The mortality rate of the flu is 0.1%... the mortality rate of the corona virus is estimated anywhere between 0.6 and 2% right now. The 3.4% is most likely not the case simply because there is sample bias with it (i.e. this is the death rate of the ones that have tested positive and this has bias toward people with the more severe symptoms - a ton of people who have the virus get the mild form and don't even get tested). In any case - this seems like a much more serious one than the flu. 

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3 minutes ago, stitches said:

The mortality rate of the flu is 0.1%... the mortality rate of the corona virus is estimated anywhere between 0.6 and 2% right now. The 3.4% is most likely not the case simply because there is sample bias with it (i.e. this is the death rate of the ones that have tested positive and this has bias toward people with the more severe symptoms - a ton of people who have the virus get the mild form and don't even get tested).

 

Thank you.    But, to be clear,  even with your rates that you quote,  the Carona Virus is still much much higher than the regular flu.    Ultimately,  that is my point.   I'm trying to counter the view that this is being overblown, which I strongly disagree with.

 

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