Jacoby Brissett Impressions (Perma Merge)

[SteelCityColt]

12 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

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[hoosierhawk]

-You can't include QB's like Big Ben who are out for the season. Cam and Foles are damaged goods as well. I am taking JB over Mayfield, Darnold, Winston, Trubisky, even Cousins, and yes Garoppolo all day. This list is by more eye test, as a QB like Ryan's team is 1-7 for example but I would still take Ryan over JB. Garoppolo's team is 7-0 but I like JB better. Record or Stats doesn't matter here to me, it is an eye test list. Some of you guys say throw out record so I did just that.

 

Some people have said all that matters is we're winning with JB. That being the case it's kind of hard to discount Jimmy G with his 16-2 record at San Fran. Not saying you said all that matters is winning but hard to ignore Jimmy G's record. 

I agree with you on several points but I would rank a few of the above guys a little higher than JB at this point. Hope he proves me wrong.

[EastStreet]

6 minutes ago, hoosierhawk said:

-You can't include QB's like Big Ben who are out for the season. Cam and Foles are damaged goods as well. I am taking JB over Mayfield, Darnold, Winston, Trubisky, even Cousins, and yes Garoppolo all day. This list is by more eye test, as a QB like Ryan's team is 1-7 for example but I would still take Ryan over JB. Garoppolo's team is 7-0 but I like JB better. Record or Stats doesn't matter here to me, it is an eye test list. Some of you guys say throw out record so I did just that.

 

Some people have said all that matters is we're winning with JB. That being the case it's kind of hard to discount Jimmy G with his 16-2 record at San Fran. 

He had an almost perfect game last night. AZ has a bad pass D, but no worse than Houston and Oakland. JG's QBR last night was 92.1. JB's QBR vs Houston and Oakland was 67.8 and 31.3

 

Not saying JG is elite by any means...... But he looked great last night. It's only one game and he has a lot to work on. Definitely needs to work on the deep ball. He's done great bringing his completion % up to 70% (which is a big improvement going back to college days).

[Imgrandojji]

18 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

He had an almost perfect game last night. AZ has a bad pass D, but no worse than Houston and Oakland. JG's QBR last night was 92.1. JB's QBR vs Houston and Oakland was 67.8 and 31.3

 

Not saying JG is elite by any means...... But he looked great last night. It's only one game and he has a lot to work on. Definitely needs to work on the deep ball. He's done great bringing his completion % up to 70% (which is a big improvement going back to college days).

If this was Brissett having that night a lot of skeptics would point out the terrible AZ defense, so it's fair to point it out against Garoppolo.  That and the undefeated 49ers barely won against a celler dwelling Arizona team.  Not exactly a resume builder.

[EastStreet]

24 minutes ago, Imgrandojji said:

If this was Brissett having that night a lot of skeptics would point out the terrible AZ defense, so it's fair to point it out against Garoppolo.  That and the undefeated 49ers barely won against a celler dwelling Arizona team.  Not exactly a resume builder.

I point out everything (good and warts). 

Last night's game was a resume mention for JG, not for SF's #1 or #2 D... 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Yeah Jimmy G played great last night but didn't Brissett do the same thing against Watt and company? Jimmy G is a lot like JB IMO. I like both.

[2006Coltsbestever]

56 minutes ago, Imgrandojji said:

If this was Brissett having that night a lot of skeptics would point out the terrible AZ defense, so it's fair to point it out against Garoppolo.  That and the undefeated 49ers barely won against a celler dwelling Arizona team.  Not exactly a resume builder.

This is why to me QBR is overrated. How does a guy who throws for 326 yards, 4 TD's, and no INT's have a QBR of 67.8? That can't be right  

[EastStreet]

12 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

This is why to me QBR is overrated. How does a guy who throws for 326 yards, 4 TD's, and no INT's have a QBR of 67.8? That can't be right  

QBR takes into account a lot of things (rushing attempts, fumbles, etc.). JB's running that game wasn't good, and he had a lost fumble. It's not perfect, but it's far better than Passer Rating.

 

Here's a blurb on QBR and link that talks about some real life comparison scenarios.

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/123701/how-is-total-qbr-calculated-we-explain-our-quarterback-rating

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ESPN’s Total Quarterback Rating (Total QBR), which was released in 2011, has never claimed to be perfect, but unlike other measures of quarterback performance, it incorporates all of a quarterback’s contributions to winning, including how he impacts the game on passes, rushes, turnovers and penalties. Also, since QBR is built from the play level, it accounts for a team’s level of success or failure on every play to provide the proper context and then allocates credit to the quarterback and his teammate to produce a clearer measure of quarterback efficiency.

 

[stitches]

Not sure this deserved its own thread so I decided to post it here, but here's a beautiful shot of Brissett from a photographer at NIkon's reddit page:

 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nikon/comments/doe5pn/make_the_play_nikon_d5_wnikkor_70200_f28/

[EastStreet]

5 minutes ago, stitches said:

Not sure this deserved its own thread so I decided to post it here, but here's a beautiful shot of Brissett from a photographer at NIkon's reddit page:

 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nikon/comments/doe5pn/make_the_play_nikon_d5_wnikkor_70200_f28/

 

That's probably like porn for @jvan1973 , @Stephen , and @Chloe6124  

 

Just funning you three. Wanted to draw your attention to it. It is an awesome pic.

[hoosierhawk]

4 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

That's probably like porn for @jvan1973 , @Stephen , and @Chloe6124  

 

Just funning you three. Wanted to draw your attention to it. It is an awesome pic.

Don't leave Coltsbestever out of this! Not fair!

[EastStreet]

27 minutes ago, hoosierhawk said:

Don't leave Coltsbestever out of this! Not fair!

I thought @2006Coltsbestever had already been to this thread and saw. It is a cool photo. Not sure it's porn to him though lol. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

9 hours ago, hoosierhawk said:

Don't leave Coltsbestever out of this! Not fair!

You guys are too funny 

[Nickster]

On 10/30/2019 at 7:58 PM, NannyMcafee said:

 

This year reminds me a lot of Andrews first year when the only WR he trusted was reggie. I just get a sense that the only players he really trusts to catch is Doyle and Hilton. I think we are assuming he trusts all of his WRs because they have been teammates beyond this season, but they have yet to have played a full year together. I for one am going to wait to pass judgement on JB until the end of next season. You have to develop trust together. It doesn't come naturally, and Hilton is the only WR on the roster beyond Roger's who JB has consistently played with or practiced with. 

Good NFL QBs throw to who’s open.  JB is not even close to an NFL rookie.  He’s an experienced veteran backup.

[Nickster]

On 10/30/2019 at 8:12 PM, EastStreet said:

I'm not buying or selling JB at this point. I do want to see how he does when the schedule amps up a bit (last 7 games) before making a decision. I'm not afraid to talk about his progression or lack of though. 

 

I do agree with you to an extent about trust. I though we saw a breakthrough with Pascal 2 games ago, but that was short lived. I'm also surprised he's not better hooped in to Rogers. Rogers has pretty decent separation stats, runs good routes, and as we saw in those screen shots, he's open. 

 

I really hope they loosen things up the next two games for him. 

If what we’ve seen is what we have with JB here, then it’s full on QB search time.  IMO what we’ve seen is competent back up QBing.  Not good enough.

 

[Nickster]

On 10/31/2019 at 2:28 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I agree 100%, I have Brissett 15th as of now which is reasonable. 26th is so laughable that I am not sure how anyone can take that site serious. 

No offense man but they look at more factors than TD ratio and RZ efficiency.

 

that post above is a good example. If 5of the RZ TDS inside the 5 were rushed instead of passed, JBs worth would be exactly the same to me but many people would see 9/3 and the conversation would be different.  
 

he hasn’t done much this year in reality.   The team has a great record BUT YES BUT the schedule is so far weaker than expected and our differential suggests we have been fortunate.

[2006Coltsbestever]

40 minutes ago, Nickster said:

No offense man but they look at more factors than TD ratio and RZ efficiency.

 

that post above is a good example. If 5of the RZ TDS inside the 5 were rushed instead of passed, JBs worth would be exactly the same to me but many people would see 9/3 and the conversation would be different.  
 

he hasn’t done much this year in reality.   The team has a great record BUT YES BUT the schedule is so far weaker than expected and our differential suggests we have been fortunate.

Most teams in the league only play 2 or 3 teams that are really considered very good or great on their schedule. The Patriots have played nobody so far basically. The wins we had over KC and Houston were top notch wins. Mahomes may have been hobbled but he played and nobody thought we would win that game at KC. Houston had Watson, Hopkins, and Watt at 100% - excuses are lame for either team not beating us.

 

I can go on and on about this because the people that like JB see an upside to him, the people that don't, think he isn't the answer. I am pretty much done debating it for now. I have thrown out things like 14/3 TD's to INT's ratio, his red zone efficiency is great, he makes big plays at certain times to help the team win games, he does have 2 300 yard passing games, we are 5-2, but the people that already have their mind made up just ignore those facts and poo poo them. So I am just wasting my time at this point repeating the same old stuff over and over.

 

I am not even a Rah Rah guy so I listen to people who point out JB's flaws as well. Bottom line, I still have JB ranked 15th = above average for now anyway based on what I have seen. A Rah Rah guy would say he is great or better than Andrew Luck, not 1 person on here does that.

[Fluke_33]

On 11/1/2019 at 4:17 PM, stitches said:

Not sure this deserved its own thread so I decided to post it here, but here's a beautiful shot of Brissett from a photographer at NIkon's reddit page:

 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nikon/comments/doe5pn/make_the_play_nikon_d5_wnikkor_70200_f28/

That may be wall worthy when he retires

[Lucky Colts Fan]

1 hour ago, Nickster said:

the schedule is so far weaker than expected and our differential suggests we have been fortunate.

 

Or JB is better than expected?  Making the Colts better than expected?

[NFLfan]

On 10/31/2019 at 10:12 PM, Colts_Fan12 said:

I'm taking Cousins over JB 10 times out of 10 

 

Michigan State fan, no?  

 

Just kidding. I may take Cousins too but JB is still early in his career. It wasn't until his 4th year that Cousins started doing reasonably well. JB has been in as many games (30) as Cousins had by the end of Cousins's 4th year, with Cousins having 1 more start. In those 30 games (25 starts), Cousins has more yards and TDs but a lot more interceptions (and probably fumbles too, as Cousins ranks at the top in QBs that fumble). In 30 games, Cousins had 7196 yards, 47 TDs and 30 INTs. JB has 5090 yards, 26 TDs and 10 INTs. 

 

Give Brissett another year. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Michigan State fan, no?  

 

Just kidding. I may take Cousins too but JB is still early in his career. It wasn't until his 4th year that Cousins started doing reasonably well. JB has been in as many games (30) as Cousins had by the end of Cousins's 4th year, with Cousins having 1 more start. In those 30 games (25 starts), Cousins has more yards and TDs but a lot more interceptions (and probably fumbles too, as Cousins ranks at the top in QBs that fumble). In 30 games, Cousins had 7196 yards, 47 TDs and 30 INTs. JB has 5000 yards, 26 TDs and 10 INTs. 

 

Give Brissett another year. 

He is a Michigan St fan actually, having said that I like Cousins as well but as you say he has to prove it against the better teams. 

[NFLfan]

13 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

He is a Michigan St fan actually, having said that I like Cousins as well but as you say he has to prove it against the better teams. 

 

I know. That is why I added . But I don't think he likes Cousins just because Cousins attended Michigan St. Colts_Fan12 always wrote positive comments about Teddy Bridgewater. I appreciated that.  

[Fluke_33]

52 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Michigan State fan, no?  

 

Just kidding. I may take Cousins too but JB is still early in his career. It wasn't until his 4th year that Cousins started doing reasonably well. JB has been in as many games (30) as Cousins had by the end of Cousins's 4th year, with Cousins having 1 more start. In those 30 games (25 starts), Cousins has more yards and TDs but a lot more interceptions (and probably fumbles too, as Cousins ranks at the top in QBs that fumble). In 30 games, Cousins had 7196 yards, 47 TDs and 30 INTs. JB has 5090 yards, 26 TDs and 10 INTs. 

 

Give Brissett another year. 

Right. From your sample,  Most of cousins stars come from his 4th year of being with the same team.  Brissett’s are from his second year when he switched teams and started right away.   I think if we wait another year or two and look compare those we will have a better idea.  

[Colts_Fan12]

58 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Michigan State fan, no?  

 

Just kidding. I may take Cousins too but JB is still early in his career. It wasn't until his 4th year that Cousins started doing reasonably well. JB has been in as many games (30) as Cousins had by the end of Cousins's 4th year, with Cousins having 1 more start. In those 30 games (25 starts), Cousins has more yards and TDs but a lot more interceptions (and probably fumbles too, as Cousins ranks at the top in QBs that fumble). In 30 games, Cousins had 7196 yards, 47 TDs and 30 INTs. JB has 5090 yards, 26 TDs and 10 INTs. 

 

Give Brissett another year. 

definitely a huge Michigan State fan I have always loved Kirk he's got a fan for life in me. I also just think he's good too he has played great on some of the worst teams could only imagine him with a top 5 oline!!

[Colts_Fan12]

46 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

I know. That is why I added . But I don't think he likes Cousins just because Cousins attended Michigan St. Colts_Fan12 always wrote positive comments about Teddy Bridgewater. I appreciated that.  

also am a big Teddy fan!! love seeing him playing great and winning games! actually tho the Vikings are my 2nd team I cheer for just because of Cousins 

[stitches]

10 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

Right. From your sample,  Most of cousins stars come from his 4th year of being with the same team.  Brissett’s are from his second year when he switched teams and started right away.   I think if we wait another year or two and look compare those we will have a better idea.  

My biggest problem with that one is that I don't think Cousins is good enough to tie this type of money into him either. So even if Brissett becomes something similar to Cousins as a level of play(he's definitely not there now), he still wouldn't be worth giving him lets say 4/120M or something of the sort. 

[Nickster]

3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Most teams in the league only play 2 or 3 teams that are really considered very good or great on their schedule. The Patriots have played nobody so far basically. The wins we had over KC and Houston were top notch wins. Mahomes may have been hobbled but he played and nobody thought we would win that game at KC. Houston had Watson, Hopkins, and Watt at 100% - excuses are lame for either team not beating us.

 

I can go on and on about this because the people that like JB see an upside to him, the people that don't, think he isn't the answer. I am pretty much done debating it for now. I have thrown out things like 14/3 TD's to INT's ratio, his red zone efficiency is great, he makes big plays at certain times to help the team win games, he does have 2 300 yard passing games, we are 5-2, but the people that already have their mind made up just ignore those facts and poo poo them. So I am just wasting my time at this point repeating the same old stuff over and over.

 

I am not even a Rah Rah guy so I listen to people who point out JB's flaws as well. Bottom line, I still have JB ranked 15th = above average for now anyway based on what I have seen. A Rah Rah guy would say he is great or better than Andrew Luck, not 1 person on here does that.

Cool.

[Nickster]

2 hours ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

Or JB is better than expected?  Making the Colts better than expected?

Well the Chargers and Falcons are trash and are not near as good as preseason mags thought they would be and neither is KC with the injuries.  Texans are what we thought they were.  I agree about NE.

 

AFC is very weak in general this year it looks like.  
margin of victory would predict a 500 record against this poor schedule.

 

jB is about what I expected but the team has pulled out a couple more than expected.  I would look for it to even out unless we get more from the QB.

 

if the can figure out a win today they should go 7-2 which I would have Thought unlikely.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, Nickster said:

Cool.

Yeah I am just tired of the back and forth on this subject with many people on here. I love good debate and respect both sides of people's opinions. It just seems like JB supporters are saying the same thing, people who are critical of JB keep saying the same thing  . All we are all doing is spinning our tires in mud and going nowhere IMO. Most important thing to me is if we win or lose in the end no matter if Daffy Duck is QB. 

[SteelCityColt]

37 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah I am just tired of the back and forth on this subject with many people on here. I love good debate and respect both sides of people's opinions. It just seems like JB supporters are saying the same thing, people who are critical of JB keep saying the same thing  . All we are all doing is spinning our tires in mud and going nowhere IMO. Most important thing to me is if we win or lose in the end no matter if Daffy Duck is QB. 

 

Look, I think Daffy is a fine QB, certainly a starter, but he's no Donald. I always fancied him coming out of Oregon....

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

Look, I think Daffy is a fine QB, certainly a starter, but he's no Donald. I always fancied him coming out of Oregon....

I prefer this guy as a QB , he knows how to score at will  

 

[SteelCityColt]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I prefer this guy as a QB , he knows how to score at will  

 

 

Now now, don't be a homer. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

Now now, don't be a homer. 

Oh never, not me 

[ColtsSouljah]

I know I'm late to the party, but that was a blatant hands to the face missed on the Brissett injury play.

[EastStreet]

7 hours ago, Nickster said:

If what we’ve seen is what we have with JB here, then it’s full on QB search time.  IMO what we’ve seen is competent back up QBing.  Not good enough.

 

 

I think it's partly a product of play calling and game plan. Not sure we've seen JB's best. He deserves more time to improve IMO. Regardless, we all know he's QB1 as long as we're in the playoff hunt at minimum. I'd just prefer for Reich to start trusting him more so we can really see what he is capable, or not capable of.

[wizwor]

6 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Most teams in the league only play 2 or 3 teams that are really considered very good or great on their schedule. The Patriots have played nobody so far basically. The wins we had over KC and Houston were top notch wins. Mahomes may have been hobbled but he played and nobody thought we would win that game at KC. Houston had Watson, Hopkins, and Watt at 100% - excuses are lame for either team not beating us.

 

The Patriots played an undefeated Buffalo team and Cleveland was supposed to be a good team.  To a certain extent, how good or bad a team is is based on who they play.  

 

I would argue that Houston is not very good.  And Houston beat KC, so maybe Indy hasn't beaten anyone.  Turns out all the teams have as much talent as they can acquire given the salary cap.  I think the difference from worst to first is not that much.

 

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I can go on and on about this because the people that like JB see an upside to him, the people that don't, think he isn't the answer. I am pretty much done debating it for now. I have thrown out things like 14/3 TD's to INT's ratio, his red zone efficiency is great, he makes big plays at certain times to help the team win games, he does have 2 300 yard passing games, we are 5-2, but the people that already have their mind made up just ignore those facts and poo poo them. So I am just wasting my time at this point repeating the same old stuff over and over.

 

JB is a very good QB -- Parcells said so and I think he is a good talent scout.  The Patriots drafted him, and I think they have a clue as well.  Football is a team sport and a lot of people determine RZ efficiency, and whatever other stat you want to quote.  The QB position is not measured by stats alone.  JB seems to be developing as a leader.

  

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I am not even a Rah Rah guy so I listen to people who point out JB's flaws as well. Bottom line, I still have JB ranked 15th = above average for now anyway based on what I have seen. A Rah Rah guy would say he is great or better than Andrew Luck, not 1 person on here does that.

 

He's playing.  Luck is not.  I think it's great that JB has you as a fan and there is no bigger fanboy than me.  Enjoy his development and don't worry about what others think.  Remember the GOAT was a 6th round pick and The Legend started with a fumble an incomplete pass. 

 

I like Brian Hoyer, but your chances of winning are much better with JB on the field.  

[GoColts8818]

Now comes the big question how bad is he hurt.

[wizwor]

30 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Now comes the big question how bad is he hurt.

 

Doesn't really matter.  Colts aren't going anywhere this year.  Might as well let Hoyer take the beating.  

[Nickster]

 

The team is mediocre without a star QB.  It's going to be tough.  Today, the law of averages snatched one of our unlikely wins back.

[CanuckColt]

2 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:

Now comes the big question how bad is he hurt.

I hope he is in good enough shape to trade in the off-season.