Titans vs Chiefs Game Thread

[chad72]

3 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Agreed. 

 

Thinking about the hype, Mahomes isn't Mahomes because of those short passes though,the  chain movers.  He'd be thought of as just another QB if that's all he did.  He gets his hype from those backyard plays, and nearly every time they're converted; Watkins, Kelce, or Hill hardly ever have a defender within 3 yards of them, if not more.

 

That is because he buys time unlike traditional QBs and his arm is unreal. With Peyton, if the WR gets a foot of separation 20 yards down the field, the DB still has a chance to make a play but with Mahomes' arm, you get slightly open and the ball is there. Always felt that was why, with DB contact allowed, a timing offense like Peyton suffered more than an offense like the Chiefs run, mainly because the separation is minimized with contact and it takes a little longer for Peyton's passes to get there than with Mahomes' passes. I felt the same way why Brady's incompletions when a defender jumped it were picks vs Peyton for the same reason. If Peyton had Favre's arm strength, he would have won more SBs, despite refs allowing more DB contact vs his pass catchers, IMO.

 

Look at these figures - Tyreek Hill 1 catch for 42 yards, and Kelce 3 catches for 23 yards was what happened in last year's AFCCG vs Patriots. Mahomes still found his other options who were nowhere the play makers that Hill and Kelce are and gave Belichick and his D fits in the AFCCG. He is not the second coming but his talent level floor is extremely high, and he is not just a backyard baller. 

[DougDew]

4 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

That is because he buys time unlike traditional QBs and his arm is unreal. With Peyton, if the WR gets a foot of separation 20 yards down the field, the DB still has a chance to make a play but with Mahomes' arm, you get slightly open and the ball is there. Always felt that was why, with DB contact allowed, a timing offense like Peyton suffered more than an offense like the Chiefs run, mainly because the separation is minimized with contact and it takes a little longer for Peyton's passes to get there than with Mahomes' passes. I felt the same way why Brady's incompletions when a defender jumped it were picks vs Peyton for the same reason. If Peyton had Favre's arm strength, he would have won more SBs, despite refs allowing more DB contact vs his pass catchers, IMO.

 

Look at these figures - Tyreek Hill 1 catch for 42 yards, and Kelce 3 catches for 23 yards was what happened in last year's AFCCG vs Patriots. Mahomes still found his other options who were nowhere the play makers that Hill and Kelce are and gave Belichick and his D fits in the AFCCG. He is not the second coming but his talent level floor is extremely high, and he is not just a backyard baller. 

But being a backyard baller is why he wins.  Those are the plays that lead to KCs wins, and that's why he is looked at as being the best QB in the NFL right now.

 

Simms on PFT made an interesting comment this morning about Mahomes scramble.  He broke a couple of tcakles near the goal line because defenders were going for the ball instead of bringing him down.  Simms said that the D should have tackled him to at least see if KC could score within the 5 yard line.  "Seeing if they could score within the 5 yard line" I thought was an interesting way to describe KCs O against the TEN D.

[chad72]

8 minutes ago, DougDew said:

But being a backyard baller is why he wins.  Those are the plays that lead to KCs wins, and that's why he is looked at as being the best QB in the NFL right now.

 

Simms on PFT made an interesting comment this morning about Mahomes scramble.  He broke a couple of tcakles near the goal line because defenders were going for the ball instead of bringing him down.  Simms said that the D should have tackled him to at least see if KC could score within the 5 yard line.  "Seeing if they could score within the 5 yard line" I thought was an interesting way to describe KCs O against the TEN D.

 

If making plays out of the pocket is your definition of backyard baller, then yes, that is why he wins because that is his strength, extending plays. To me, backyard baller is conveniently used to describe QBs that never get it done inside the pocket, and never read Ds. He does read Ds better than in Year 1, and does make enough throws inside the pocket but yes, the outside the pocket plays when his OL gets flushed and he gets flushed, is his calling card that puts him at the top currently, I agree.

 

Mahomes scrambling, he earlier said in the season that he will save scrambling with contact for more important occasions and the play before the half was one he was looking to initiate contact. The other instances, he knew he had time on the clock and could pick his spots after just getting first downs, played it smart. 

[DougDew]

4 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

If making plays out of the pocket is your definition of backyard baller, then yes, that is why he wins because that is his strength, extending plays. To me, backyard baller is conveniently used to describe QBs that never get it done inside the pocket, and never read Ds. He does read Ds better than in Year 1, and does make enough throws inside the pocket but yes, the outside the pocket plays when his OL gets flushed and he gets flushed, is his calling card that puts him at the top currently, I agree.

 

Mahomes scrambling, he earlier said in the season that he will save scrambling with contact for more important occasions and the play before the half was one he was looking to initiate contact. The other instances, he knew he had time on the clock and could pick his spots after just getting first downs, played it smart. 

I didn't say that Mahomes wasn't a great QB, I'm merely saying that when he scrambles, IOW when the play breaks down, his skill position players also know what they are doing by also getting 4 yards from a defender, at least a lot of the time.

 

If they were not able to do that, I wonder what Mahomes would look like.

[chad72]

2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I didn't say that Mahomes wasn't a great QB, I'm merely saying that when he scrambles, IOW when the play breaks down, his skill position players also know what they are doing by also getting 4 yards from a defender, at least a lot of the time.

 

If they were not able to do that, I wonder what Mahomes would look like.

 

Like Lamar Jackson did, vs the Titans, LOL.  

 

The difference is Mahomes is a contortionist, doesn't need his feet set for a lot of his off balance throws that get there with weird arm angles too, Lamar has to set his feet. Can't coach that, can't teach that, IMO.

[bluebombers87]

57 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Like Lamar Jackson did, vs the Titans, LOL.  

 

The difference is Mahomes is a contortionist, doesn't need his feet set for a lot of his off balance throws that get there with weird arm angles too, Lamar has to set his feet. Can't coach that, can't teach that, IMO.

Out of curiosity, did the judge tell you to stay 300 or 500 yards away from Mahomes at all times?

[chad72]

6 minutes ago, bluebombers87 said:

Out of curiosity, did the judge tell you to stay 300 or 500 yards away from Mahomes at all times?

 

Haha, very funny!!!  

[shakedownstreet]

13 minutes ago, bluebombers87 said:

Out of curiosity, did the judge tell you to stay 300 or 500 yards away from Mahomes at all times?

 

It's on file with the FBI

[chad72]

18 hours ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Not me not going to give the Pat fans a chance to gloat

 

Think about this.

 

Jimmy G winning the SB completes the 6-6-6 of the Steelers, Patriots and 49ers being the first 3 franchises to win 6 SBs. Belichick's imprint will be on the 49ers' SB win as well, hate to think it but I envision that happening. 

[krunk]

Titans were just starting to tighten things up on D.   I see Dean Pees has decided to retire so I'm wondering what kind of blow that will be to their D next year?  Won't surprise me if Vrabel goes with Romeo Crennel for his DC.

[coltsva]

17 hours ago, chad72 said:

 

Think about this.

 

Jimmy G winning the SB completes the 6-6-6 of the Steelers, Patriots and 49ers being the first 3 franchises to win 6 SBs. Belichick's imprint will be on the 49ers' SB win as well, hate to think it but I envision that happening. 

Would be much more fitting if it was Steelers-Patriots-Cowboys.

[chad72]

6 hours ago, krunk said:

Titans were just starting to tighten things up on D.   I see Dean Pees has decided to retire so I'm wondering what kind of blow that will be to their D next year?  Won't surprise me if Vrabel goes with Romeo Crennel for his DC.

I doubt it. He’s more likely to hire Wade Philips or even Rex Ryan before Crennel despite Patriots connections.

[krunk]

2 hours ago, chad72 said:

I doubt it. He’s more likely to hire Wade Philips or even Rex Ryan before Crennel despite Patriots connections.

Yeah but they worked together in Houston also.

2 hours ago, chad72 said:

I doubt it. He’s more likely to hire Wade Philips or even Rex Ryan before Crennel despite Patriots connections.

I'm not sure if Rex Ryan is coming back.  I get this feeling he still thinks he's a head coach.