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7 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

That's the issue right now, teams have adjusted to him, and he never adjusted back.

He also barely had anything to adjust with.

 

Come on, you've got to at least take a look at the way the supporting cast crumbled around Brissett before taking the express lane to Hot Take City like this.

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2 hours ago, Myles said:

I think the "JB hating" thing is a bit too much.   Just because we would like to improve at the QB position isn't hating.   JB seems to be a great guy.   Just because some don't think he is a QB capable of leading the team to be contenders is NOT hating.   

I think JB is limited.   He hasn't improved his flaws from college.   If the defense is great and the running game is great, he can possibly be enough.   Is that what we want?   A QB that can be OK if we can mask his flaws.   I'm always hoping for improvement.   Glowinski can be capable, but I wouldn't mind seeing improvement at the RG position.   Doesn't mean I hate Glowinski.    Unfortunately at this time, it is not a high priority.   

Let me just ask this:  What constitutes "improving on his flaws?" Does the flaw have to no longer be a flaw at all, or can it simply be a less critical issue?

 

The most any given athlete is usually going to be able to do with major flaws is make them less of an issue with a mix of scheme adjustment and personal learning.

 

Let's not pretend that he didn't just improve on his 2017 record by 4 games, even with the terrible finish to the year.  You can argue that maybe he had a more talented roster, but Andrew Luck took most of the 2017 roster to the playoffs both before and after 2017 so I have my doubts that's the issue.   

 

So the argument that he hasn't improved at all is something that would need to be proved with facts, not just assertions.

 

I'd certainly accept the fact that he hasn't improved enough to satisfy fans yearning for a championship.  But let's not forget either that Brissett's team fell to 7-9 after being on a 10 win pace at the half way point.   If you don't see improvements there from a guy who went 3-13 his first time round, I dunno what to tell you

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3 hours ago, Imgrandojji said:

Let me just ask this:  What constitutes "improving on his flaws?" Does the flaw have to no longer be a flaw at all, or can it simply be a less critical issue?

 

The most any given athlete is usually going to be able to do with major flaws is make them less of an issue with a mix of scheme adjustment and personal learning.

 

Let's not pretend that he didn't just improve on his 2017 record by 4 games, even with the terrible finish to the year.  You can argue that maybe he had a more talented roster, but Andrew Luck took most of the 2017 roster to the playoffs both before and after 2017 so I have my doubts that's the issue.   

 

So the argument that he hasn't improved at all is something that would need to be proved with facts, not just assertions.

 

I'd certainly accept the fact that he hasn't improved enough to satisfy fans yearning for a championship.  But let's not forget either that Brissett's team fell to 7-9 after being on a 10 win pace at the half way point.   If you don't see improvements there from a guy who went 3-13 his first time round, I dunno what to tell you

"Improving on his flaws" to me is:

Reading more than 1 or 2 receivers on each passing play.

Anticipating the defense. 

 Finding the open receiver.

Not holding the ball so long.

 

So many things that keep him from being a top 10 QB.  

 

He has not improved his flaws from college.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Myles said:

"Improving on his flaws" to me is:

Reading more than 1 or 2 receivers on each passing play.

Anticipating the defense. 

 Finding the open receiver.

Not holding the ball so long.

 

So many things that keep him from being a top 10 QB.  

 

He has not improved his flaws from college.

 

 

3 of those 4 depend at least partially on the receiver, wouldn't you say?

 

Would you also concede that any QB would struggle with reading the field quickly when he doesn't have a stable receiver corps? 

 

Or to put it another way, after TY, which WR would you count on to be open against elite defensive backs?  And remember too, TY wasn't always even on the field.

 

Brissett did pretty well to keep the interception numbers down with all the chaos in the receiver room.  He is overcautious in committing to a throw, but a better receiver unit would go a long way to mitigating that.

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29 minutes ago, Imgrandojji said:

3 of those 4 depend at least partially on the receiver, wouldn't you say?

 

Would you also concede that any QB would struggle with reading the field quickly when he doesn't have a stable receiver corps? 

 

Or to put it another way, after TY, which WR would you count on to be open against elite defensive backs?  And remember too, TY wasn't always even on the field.

 

Brissett did pretty well to keep the interception numbers down with all the chaos in the receiver room.  He is overcautious in committing to a throw, but a better receiver unit would go a long way to mitigating that.

I think many don't realize the following:

 

The receiver has to be good enough and experienced enough to know where the openings on the field will be after the first few seconds, just like the QB does.  He also should be pre reading the coverages to know where a DB will likely be headed, at least the DBs on his side of the pattern array.

 

The all 22 screen shots may not be telling us where JB is looking for receivers to be open, and whether or not the receivers are open when they are supposed to be.  Simply seeing space in between receivers and DBs is not a thorough enough look to simply criticize JB for not "seeing open receivers", IMO.

 

Mahomes throws his broken play backyard balls to Kelce and Watkins, who know what to do after running their routes for 3 seconds.  Hill, many times,  just takes off deep.  To say that KCs O would not be impacted by the loss of one or two of those players is simply wrong.

 

JB missed too many WRs when they were open.  Missed the throws themselves, and that's on him, but a lot of this other stuff depends upon having more talented WRs than UDFAs, more NFL playing time experience, and more consistency in understanding timing and tendencies among the receiver group and the QB.  JMO.

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3 hours ago, Imgrandojji said:

3 of those 4 depend at least partially on the receiver, wouldn't you say?

 

Would you also concede that any QB would struggle with reading the field quickly when he doesn't have a stable receiver corps? 

 

Or to put it another way, after TY, which WR would you count on to be open against elite defensive backs?  And remember too, TY wasn't always even on the field.

 

Brissett did pretty well to keep the interception numbers down with all the chaos in the receiver room.  He is overcautious in committing to a throw, but a better receiver unit would go a long way to mitigating that.

Hes been the same since college.  His draft preview stated so.  Hes the common denominator.  

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On 1/25/2020 at 8:09 PM, Imgrandojji said:

Let me just ask this:  What constitutes "improving on his flaws?" Does the flaw have to no longer be a flaw at all, or can it simply be a less critical issue?

 

The most any given athlete is usually going to be able to do with major flaws is make them less of an issue with a mix of scheme adjustment and personal learning.

 

Let's not pretend that he didn't just improve on his 2017 record by 4 games, even with the terrible finish to the year.  You can argue that maybe he had a more talented roster, but Andrew Luck took most of the 2017 roster to the playoffs both before and after 2017 so I have my doubts that's the issue.   

 

 

the colts were 7th in rushing this year, they  won games because of it.  they were pretty close to being top 5 but for some reason abandoned the run  against the jaguars 

 

before that they had not been higher than 19th in rushing since peyton was the QB

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On 1/25/2020 at 8:09 PM, Imgrandojji said:

 

 

Let's not pretend that he didn't just improve on his 2017 record by 4 games, even with the terrible finish to the year.  You can argue that maybe he had a more talented roster, but Andrew Luck took most of the 2017 roster to the playoffs both before and after 2017 so I have my doubts that's the issue.   

 

 

You don't think the 2019 Colts roster is better than the 2017 roster?   In 2017 the O-line was lousy.   Now it is top 3 in the league.  Brissett played very similar in 2017.   The better O-line cut his sacks in half.  

 

In his 4 years in the league his accuracy % is very consistent.  Around 60%.  

 

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