Colts Needs on Offense: Poll Part 1 (Please read OP)

[EastStreet]

Looking to get fan view, or stack rank of team needs both on Offense and Defense. 

This is not necessarily a draft/FA exercise. Simply a team needs view post 2019 / pre 2020 season.

It may take a couple polls to drill down on each side of the ball (hence Part 1, etc.).

 

I'll leave the poll up for at least 24 hours before going to Part 1 if needed.

If votes are close, I may do a few run offs to at least clarify top 3 ranked needs on each side of the ball. 

General logic will be used. Example, if while voting for #1, a specific position gets more than 50%, those results will stand (no run off). 

If multiple positions are close, I may due a run off poll, or look to second place votes.

 

NOTE - For now, let's assume for the sake of this poll that AC re-signs, and we lock him into a 3 year deal. Ebron is not.

[CR91]

Depends how the draft falls. If Tua and Herbert are gone, then you take either Henry Riggs or Derek Brown

[2006Coltsbestever]

I went QB 1, WR 2, OG 3. We have Doyle and Cox at TE so I still feel good about that position. Assuming AC resigns.

[EastStreet]

For me, QB, OT, and WR in that order.....

 

Even though I noted the assumption that AC signs a 3 year deal, I still think it's incredibly important to take an OT this year. We have zero depth there.

[EastStreet]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

Depends how the draft falls. If Tua and Herbert are gone, then you take either Henry Riggs or Derek Brown

This isn't a who, or draft poll (see OP), etc... Simply a team needs. 

[CR91]

2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

This isn't a who, or draft poll (see OP), etc... Simply a team needs. 

 

That's not easy to answer. A QB is more of an upgrade while a WR really is a major need

[B~Town]

Went Qb Wr Te

I like doyle in his role but alot of our plays are designed with a field strething big play Te our offense was stale withoit that piece in place. Would put T or G up there but we have starter level players there in those posations assuming AC is resigned.

[EastStreet]

5 minutes ago, CR91 said:

That's not easy to answer. A QB is more of an upgrade while a WR really is a major need

It's simple opinion on biggest need. Many would argue that QB is a major need. Also, some may feel that a healthy TY, Campbell, Fountain, and Pascal might turn out to be a nice 1-4. 

 

Vote how you feel, in terms of what you think the biggest need is to improve the Colts.

 

Really, any pick would be considered an "upgrade". 

[DougDew]

I voted for QB, WR, TE.  I think the holes there are pretty obvious. 

 

For both sides combined, I think the highest priorities are QB, DT, DT, WR, TE, RB, WR.  

 

And all seven of those players need to be better than the players we played at those positions last season.  They need to replace all seven starters.  That's a lot of holes.

[KB]

I voted WR, QB, OT. With hiw the WR core got depleted last year, and the abundance of talent this year, we should try and find a game changer at WR if available. QB would have to be the right guy making it to the 13th pick. He would be sitting for either the year or until JB loses the spot. OT is something that is going to be needed even if AC signs a deal. We need depth at the position that can grow into a starter. Might as well keep the first down theme for the line. Could also take over as RT and push Braden Smith inside. Would only take an OT here if theyre truely BPA. That take a complete run on QBs and WRs before us. DT would go above OT tho.

[stitches]

IMO QB is our biggest need. In reality LT should be high even if AC gets back, but since you are giving us 3 years more with him I'll just push that down the road. 

 

Priority 2 should be either an X-receiver type or a TE with receiver having the slight edge for me. 

 

Priority 3 Pass-catching TE. One of those you can iso unleash against mismatches. The more I'm watching the elite TEs the more it looks to me like YAC is extremely important attribute of a TEs skillset. 

[EastStreet]

2 minutes ago, stitches said:

IMO QB is our biggest need. In reality LT should be high even if AC gets back, but since you are giving us 3 years more with him I'll just push that down the road. 

 

Priority 2 should be either an X-receiver type or a TE with receiver having the slight edge for me. 

 

Priority 3 Pass-catching TE. One of those you can iso unleash against mismatches. The more I'm watching the elite TEs the more it looks to me like YAC is extremely important attribute of a TEs skillset. 

If we stick with JB, I think we need a possession type WR (possession X). If we get a QB capable of going long, I think we need a speed X since we let Cain go. 

 

I don't think TE is a top 3 need, but if we do go TE, would love Kmet. Great pass catcher. I think I'd prefer to continue to groom MAC though. He was coming on strong with Luck, but took a back seat this year with JB having both Doyle and Ebron.

 

Reality is, we just don't run that much 2 TE sets to really warrant 2 top 15 paid TEs like we had in 2019. That's why Ebron whined. If we're going to continue to push the run, we're going to use a blocking TE more than a detached specialist and the snap ratio will likely remain the same. And keep in mind, Doyle had great separation stats this year. JB just struggled to see him, especially in the seam.

[stitches]

4 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

If we stick with JB, I think we need a possession type WR (possession X). If we get a QB capable of going long, I think we need a speed X since we let Cain go. 

 

I don't think TE is a top 3 need, but if we do go TE, would love Kmet. Great pass catcher. I think I'd prefer to continue to groom MAC though. He was coming on strong with Luck, but took a back seat this year with JB having both Doyle and Ebron.

 

Reality is, we just don't run that much 2 TE sets to really warrant 2 top 15 paid TEs like we had in 2019. That's why Ebron whined. If we're going to continue to push the run, we're going to use a blocking TE more than a detached specialist and the snap ratio will likely remain the same. And keep in mind, Doyle had great separation stats this year. JB just struggled to see him, especially in the seam.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't we one of the teams that ran the most 2 and 3 TE sets last year with Luck. Maybe it's just QB dependent. IMO the stats of Reich's tendencies prior to this season show that this is more of an aberration of a season for him. When he has a QB that can throw the ball he throws and doesn't emphasize the run to this degree. 

[Vexed]

2 hours ago, EastStreet said:

For me, QB, OT, and WR in that order.....

 

Even though I noted the assumption that AC signs a 3 year deal, I still think it's incredibly important to take an OT this year. We have zero depth there.

Same here!

[EastStreet]

3 minutes ago, stitches said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't we one of the teams that ran the most 2 and 3 TE sets last year with Luck. Maybe it's just QB dependent. IMO the stats of Reich's tendencies prior to this season show that this is more of an aberration of a season for him. When he has a QB that can throw the ball he throws and doesn't emphasize the run to this degree. 

We actually ran more in 2019. IIRC. We averaged 1.35 TEs on the field, or about a third of the time. 2018 was about 1.30. 

 

IMO, the increase is due to 1) scheming around JB, 2) WR injuries, and 3) focus on the run.

In short, if we get a QB that does not force us to scheme for deficiencies, I think we go back to 2018 type numbers.

[hoosierhawk]

Went QB, OT,WR. You must be a bad influence on me.

[CantBeStopped]

QB, wr, te. Brissett needs to go to the bench sooner rather than later. We've never given TY a good running mate. And Doyle is much like brissett. Mediocrity. Does his job but nothing that excites you

[TheMiz]

Depends on what AC decides to do. If he sticks around QB remains #1. If he retires OT becomes #1B

[Douzer]

OT, TE, QB

[HerkeyHorseshoe]

Went QB,QB,QB.  We need a QB

[GoColts00]

I went QB, OG, WR.

 

Most everybody went QB 1st and for good reason, but I don't think we need a QB from this Draft.

I think this draft should be about the personnel around the QB on offense. 

Draft our QB in 2021.

Our defensive Secondary needs help tho. #23 against the Pass. That's a mix of not enough Pass Rush and poor Coverage. 

[EastStreet]

2 hours ago, TheMiz said:

Depends on what AC decides to do. If he sticks around QB remains #1. If he retires OT becomes #1B

see OP

4 minutes ago, GoColts00 said:

I went QB, OG, WR.

 

Most everybody went QB 1st and for good reason, but I don't think we need a QB from this Draft.

I think this draft should be about the personnel around the QB on offense. 

Draft our QB in 2021.

Our defensive Secondary needs help tho. #23 against the Pass. That's a mix of not enough Pass Rush and poor Coverage. 

Building the roster this year around a QB, only means your likely to be in a worse position next year trying to get a QB.

 

IMO, the only thing you need in place for a newbie QB is an OL. We have that, and we also have a top 10 running game. We also have a PB TE coming locked up. And WR, if they could stay healthy, could be a lot better than most think. Regardless, adding both  a QB and a WR is likely what will happen, and solves the only two obvious holes (starters) on the O roster.

[EastStreet]

2 hours ago, hoosierhawk said:

Went QB, OT,WR. You must be a bad influence on me.

LOL. It's the best short and long term play on the offensive side of the ball. 

 

[GoColts00]

7 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

see OP

Building the roster this year around a QB, only means your likely to be in a worse position next year trying to get a QB.

 

IMO, the only thing you need in place for a newbie QB is an OL. We have that, and we also have a top 10 running game. We also have a PB TE coming locked up. And WR, if they could stay healthy, could be a lot better than most think. Regardless, adding both  a QB and a WR is likely what will happen, and solves the only two obvious holes (starters) on the O roster.

Disagree with you. Playing next season with JB should allow us a high draft pick in 2021. 

Draft picks usually get much better their 2nd & 3rd seasons, so drafting personnel around the QB this season will allow most of the Team to be excellent the 2021 season.

[EastStreet]

6 minutes ago, GoColts00 said:

Disagree with you. Playing next season with JB should allow us a high draft pick in 2021. 

Draft picks usually get much better their 2nd & 3rd seasons, so drafting personnel around the QB this season will allow most of the Team to be excellent the 2021 season.

We could have easily been 9-7 or 10-6 with JB, because of the strength of our rushing O and rushing D. It's true our schedule should be tougher this year, but that's what we thought last year too. While JB IMO is clearly not the answer, he will improve a bit this year, and our D will get better. We'll never be good enough to challenge for the conference or SB with JB, but it's certainly within reason that we could improve on 7-9, which translates into worse draft position.

[w87r]

8 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I went QB 1, WR 2, OG 3. We have Doyle and Cox at TE so I still feel good about that position. Assuming AC resigns.

This is mine as well.

Same thing, assumption AC is still here.

[WoolMagnet]

An enema

[coltsfan_canada]

QB / WR / OT 

[EastStreet]

19 hours ago, WoolMagnet said:

An enema

I've never considered that. A good cleansing might turn JB around. 

[WoolMagnet]

7 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

I've never considered that. A good cleansing might turn JB around. 

Couldnt hurt.

Ok, technically, i guess it COULD.

[EastStreet]

5 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

Couldnt hurt.

Ok, technically, i guess it COULD.

JB could have years of red meat build up, and simply need a good swoosh.... 

 

[EastStreet]

Short of a a huge last minute vote, looks like the clear 1st is QB, and clear 2nd is WR. OT and TE are similar, but slight edge to OT with more second place votes (weighting/scoring 1st place votes with 3pts, 2nd with 2pts, and 3rd with 1 point).

 

So

QB

WR

OT

TE

OG

RB

 

*   1     2     3
QB    54   13    4
WR   14    42   12
OT     2      9     21
TE      2      6     26
OG    1      2      9
RB     0      1      1

[Coltsman1788]

QB, WR, OT (Costanzo mulling over retirement...Colts need to bring in depth now not later.) 

[ojsglove]

A capable QB turns this team around, not sure why this is so difficult for some to accept??

[CanuckColtsFan]

On 1/11/2020 at 1:51 PM, EastStreet said:

If we stick with JB, I think we need a possession type WR (possession X). If we get a QB capable of going long, I think we need a speed X since we let Cain go. 

 

I don't think TE is a top 3 need, but if we do go TE, would love Kmet. Great pass catcher. I think I'd prefer to continue to groom MAC though. He was coming on strong with Luck, but took a back seat this year with JB having both Doyle and Ebron.

 

Reality is, we just don't run that much 2 TE sets to really warrant 2 top 15 paid TEs like we had in 2019. That's why Ebron whined. If we're going to continue to push the run, we're going to use a blocking TE more than a detached specialist and the snap ratio will likely remain the same. And keep in mind, Doyle had great separation stats this year. JB just struggled to see him, especially in the seam.

Jarvis Landry would be a perfect acquisition .

 

I think TE is top 3 need. If you look at teams like SF, KC, Bal the all have some good TE's. Having a big guy up the middle that you can trust to catch the ball is huge.

 

Ebron whined because he needs to be on a team that gets lots of plays on offense via the pass. JB is a QB that can't afford dropped balls. He doesn't get the ball downfield as often so 3rd and longs are not his friend. If a TE can be counted on to make a 5 yard play reliably you might have a game changer on O. I know this sounds like Doyel but I'm thinking a guy more towards Ebron but with very reliable hands and then goes and get yards after the catch by running people over.  A big giant X factor like Kittle would be nice.

 

I don't know maybe I'm grasping at straws because I don't believe the F.O. will replace J.B. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I just don't think it's easy to go get a franchise QB.

 

 

[Four2itus]

Since it is not draft/FA specific, then I go by what the team was most lacking. Help could come from the draft, FA, or development(or health) of players already on the team.

 

Our weakest offensive positions:

1) WR

2) QB

3) TE

 

However, seeing future needs included, RG is a position of need. 

[EastStreet]

57 minutes ago, CanuckColtsFan said:

Jarvis Landry would be a perfect acquisition .

I like Landry as a slot, but we have different needs at WR IMO. If they resign Funch, then maybe. I've said before they could move TY to slot and extend his career for several years. Not sure if that time has come though and we'd still need a Z if PC doesn't work out... Still would like to see what PC can do healthy. 

57 minutes ago, CanuckColtsFan said:

 

I think TE is top 3 need. If you look at teams like SF, KC, Bal the all have some good TE's. Having a big guy up the middle that you can trust to catch the ball is huge.

I'd agree if we used more 2 tight end sets. Thought we'd use more with Doyle back healthy with Ebron.

 

JB doesn't throw to the middle much, and especially not the seam +5 yards. If we get a QB who can do that, I'm all for it if Reich wants to use the TE more. I love that kind of ball.

57 minutes ago, CanuckColtsFan said:

 

Ebron whined because he needs to be on a team that gets lots of plays on offense via the pass. JB is a QB that can't afford dropped balls. He doesn't get the ball downfield as often so 3rd and longs are not his friend. If a TE can be counted on to make a 5 yard play reliably you might have a game changer on O. I know this sounds like Doyel but I'm thinking a guy more towards Ebron but with very reliable hands and then goes and get yards after the catch by running people over.  A big giant X factor like Kittle would be nice.

Moe has great hands and is more like Ebron than Doyle. He was coming along nicely in 2018. I'd like to see him get a shot at that detached TE role.

57 minutes ago, CanuckColtsFan said:

 

I don't know maybe I'm grasping at straws because I don't believe the F.O. will replace J.B. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I just don't think it's easy to go get a franchise QB.

I'm not a big betting guy, but I think you'll see them bring a new QB in.

[Coffeedrinker]

The poll was closed by the time I saw this thread, but IMO the needs are, in order

 

QB

TE _ I like Doyel but the Colts don't have anyone consistent behind him.  Maybe MAC can become that guy, I don't know.

Guard - I think if the Colts went into 2020 with the same oline they would still be one of the top units but if they can find a guard better than Glow then I think they can become the best oline in the NFL.

 

Obviously if AC retires then OT becomes a bigger need than TE or guard but since I don't think that will happen, then it's not a priority this year.  Additionally, I think both TE and guard are lower priorities than a DT and DE on the D side.

 

 

[compuls1v3]

I saw this after the poll closed too, but I'd rank QB, T, and WR in that order. 

 

We had 2 pro bowl TE in Doyle and Ebron at one point, so that's another reason pointing to QB.  And as others have said, if AC OR Smith go down, we do not have a good B/U at Tackle.

[superrep1967]

On 1/11/2020 at 1:27 PM, CR91 said:

Depends how the draft falls. If Tua and Herbert are gone, then you take either Henry Riggs or Derek Brown

I know he can't come out he's only sophomore but the QB the get is Lawrence maybe we should suck in 2020 to get him.