Wade Phillips?

[ColtJax]

Rams didn't renew him. He's a fantastic DC, I think he'd be an upgrade.

[MPStack]

2 minutes ago, ColtJax said:

Rams didn't renew him. He's a fantastic DC, I think he'd be an upgrade.

Pretty sure Phillips runs a 3-4 defense, so you’re talking a lot personnel change.

 

I don’t see it. 

[IndyD4U]

I wouldn't argue about it, but I think @MPStack is correct. Be another scheme switch 

[1959Colts]

Eberflus isn't goin anywhere.

[csmopar]

No

[twfish]

Flus isnt going anywhere and even if we did move on from him, Ballard has made it very clear he wants a 4-3

[cbear]

For the sake of argument, can our personnel switch to a 3-4 or whatever he runs?  I doubt we pursue him but I've always liked his imagination. 

[ztboiler]

1 hour ago, cbear said:

For the sake of argument, can our personnel switch to a 3-4 or whatever he runs?  I doubt we pursue him but I've always liked his imagination. 

No, we don’t have the personnel immediately, but it wouldn’t be all the tough to add the pieces we’d need...we certainly have the stand up rushers, and Stewart is a nice piece.  Hunt and Autry could both do well in a one gap 3-4 but we’d need 2 or 3 more DT sized pieces for depth at the point of attack than we currently carry.  Our off the ball LBs could probably do it, but Leonard probably wouldn’t be the impact guy he is for us in any other scheme....and that’s the real issue.

 

Impact.  Everything about the draft capital we’ve invested for three years is optimized to the current scheme.  It’s a scheme I hate...but it’s one you can clearly win with when optimized...it would take at least 2 years to optimize impact in a scheme change...so we’ve got to simply do what we do at a higher level...

 

And somehow draft Warren Sapp

[Thunderbolt]

We sure could use him, knowing how our defense has regressed.

[runthepost]

We don’t have 3-4 schemed guys..

[GoColts8818]

The Colts aren’t going to fire their DC and they aren’t going to switch to a 3-4.  He’s not coming to Indy.

[The Peytonator]

Not that there’s even a chance of it happening, but the 4-3/3-4 debate is so dated in this era. Aaron Donald was scientifically engineered in a lab to play UT in a 4-3 and he’s playing in Wade’s 3-4. Base defensive alignment doesn’t matter, and it matters even less since you’re playing nickel at least 60% of the time. What you ask your linemen to do matters far more, and Wade has always had an attacking line, rather than read and react. Same philosophy as Eberflus. 

[Four2itus]

Please....god.....we've had too many losses as fans.......just......CHANGE......SOMETHING!!

 

Sarcasm off...

[NewColtsFan]

6 hours ago, ColtJax said:

Rams didn't renew him. He's a fantastic DC, I think he'd be an upgrade.

I love Wade as well.   But we run a 4-3 defense.    And Wade is a 3-4 coach.  That’s what he believes in.   Great coach.   Not the right fit for the Colts.

[a06cc]

I like the direction the defense is headed so I’ll say no. Also the Rams are making a mistake with Wade. There problem is that offense everyone had time to study last offseason and adjust. 

[runthepost]

5 hours ago, The Peytonator said:

Not that there’s even a chance of it happening, but the 4-3/3-4 debate is so dated in this era. Aaron Donald was scientifically engineered in a lab to play UT in a 4-3 and he’s playing in Wade’s 3-4. Base defensive alignment doesn’t matter, and it matters even less since you’re playing nickel at least 60% of the time. What you ask your linemen to do matters far more, and Wade has always had an attacking line, rather than read and react. Same philosophy as Eberflus. 

Donald in a 4-3 not getting doubled each snap might help him

[IinD]

4 hours ago, Four2itus said:

Please....god.....we've had too many losses as fans.......just......CHANGE......SOMETHING!!

 

Sarcasm off...

So true. Got a friend at work who's a Saints fan and the guy was basically losing his mind saying 'it's Teddy time, Drew is toast, we've gotta move on... Lol.

 

Football fans truly go off the deep end at seasons end. 

 

Everyone has to go.

[chad72]

Kris Richard, probably will be let go from Cowboys, he’s my first choice, at least let him coach our secondary as a defensive assistant.  I do think they give Eberflus another year with more secondary and DL pieces and see where it goes before giving up on him.

[lollygagger8]

I absolutely love Wade Phillips as a coach - he always has good defenses. 

 

I think there's zero chance the Colts are going to change back to a 3-4 though. 

[conklincolt]

12 hours ago, MPStack said:

Pretty sure Phillips runs a 3-4 defense, so you’re talking a lot personnel change.

 

I don’t see it. 

3-4   4-3  3-4  4-3  back and forth over and over again. Why? must be neither works well or why switch?

[jlid]

Why does everyone want to rag on Eberflus? Or Reich for that manner? Put them in a time machine and ship them back to 2000 or so, and we're sitting on more rings than the Patriots...We wasted the entire Manning/Luck era on coaches who played not to lose...we go 4-12 at best with Mora, Dungy, Caldwell, or Pagano this year

[coltsva]

25 minutes ago, conklincolt said:

3-4   4-3  3-4  4-3  back and forth over and over again. Why? must be neither works well or why switch?

They both work with quality players.

[Imgrandojji]

I'm happy enough with Eberflus.  He did a decent job with what he had to work with, which is a lot of talented defensive players who still have a lot of green on them

[The Fish]

Wade is a very good coach, someone is going to be getting a legit D if they run his scheme. 

 

[Coffeedrinker]

I would say no to Wade.  he was a great coach at one point.  But the Rams D has been middle of the road his entire 3 years there and that is with one of the best, if not the best, defensive player in the game.  And an overall good group of players at his disposal.

[Jason_]

11 hours ago, The Peytonator said:

Not that there’s even a chance of it happening, but the 4-3/3-4 debate is so dated in this era. Aaron Donald was scientifically engineered in a lab to play UT in a 4-3 and he’s playing in Wade’s 3-4. Base defensive alignment doesn’t matter, and it matters even less since you’re playing nickel at least 60% of the time. What you ask your linemen to do matters far more, and Wade has always had an attacking line, rather than read and react. Same philosophy as Eberflus. 

 

LOL...yeah that's not even remotely true.  Of course base alignment matters.  The base scheme of your defense dictates the traits  needed for each position of said defense. 

 

 

However, that being said, it would be easier for the Colts to switch to Wade's 3-4 than most other 3-4 defenses because Wade's is a 1-gap system.  However as ztboiler pointed out, we'd need some overhaul in the front 7, just not as much as trying to switch back to a 2 gap 3-4.

[superrep1967]

18 hours ago, MPStack said:

Pretty sure Phillips runs a 3-4 defense, so you’re talking a lot personnel change.

 

I don’t see it. 

So true

[GwinnettColt]

As others have pointed out, Phillips runs the 3-4 and we don't have the players for that.  I think the 3-4 is a harder defense to run.  His D's are awesome for about three to four years and then players start to rotate out onto another team or retire as the D is so physical. 

 

I think with a pass rushing DT, our defense will improve significantly and even more so when the CB position is addressed.  I think our LB's are pretty decent.

 

All that said, I love Wade Phillips.  Peyton can thank him for his second SB ring. 

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Wade is a good coach, but he uses a 3/4 base defense so no thanks!

[The Peytonator]

4 hours ago, J@son said:

 

LOL...yeah that's not even remotely true.  Of course base alignment matters.  The base scheme of your defense dictates the traits  needed for each position of said defense. 

 

 

However, that being said, it would be easier for the Colts to switch to Wade's 3-4 than most other 3-4 defenses because Wade's is a 1-gap system.  However as ztboiler pointed out, we'd need some overhaul in the front 7, just not as much as trying to switch back to a 2 gap 3-4.

That’s essentially what I’m saying. Alignment is less important than assignment. Wade has always had a one gap 3-4. I don’t think we’d need as much overhaul on the front seven as you’re thinking but the back end might need a little with Wade’s man coverage tendencies. I would prefer him over Eberflus but the chances of it happening are non existent. 

[GoColts8818]

19 minutes ago, The Peytonator said:

That’s essentially what I’m saying. Alignment is less important than assignment. Wade has always had a one gap 3-4. I don’t think we’d need as much overhaul on the front seven as you’re thinking but the back end might need a little with Wade’s man coverage tendencies. I would prefer him over Eberflus but the chances of it happening are non existent. 

It doesn’t matter because they aren’t going to fire Eberflus.

[Thunderbolt]

Maybe he can be Flus asst or vice versa.

[conklincolt]

On 1/7/2020 at 9:54 AM, coltsva said:

They both work with quality players.

last I remember colts have quality players.  

[Rackeen305]

On 1/6/2020 at 9:12 PM, MPStack said:

Pretty sure Phillips runs a 3-4 defense, so you’re talking a lot personnel change.

 

I don’t see it. 

How could Rams run a 3-4 with Aaron Donald at the nose?

[MPStack]

20 minutes ago, Rackeen305 said:

How could Rams run a 3-4 with Aaron Donald at the nose?

Donald plays DT not NT.

[Imgrandojji]

On 1/6/2020 at 9:30 PM, 1959Colts said:

Eberflus isn't goin anywhere.

I agree with this.  I think our D played over its head last year.  We have a lot of raw talent on this D, we need a teacher.  Phillips is a master schemer but he does most of his work with veteran players.

[1959Colts]

1 hour ago, Imgrandojji said:

I agree with this.  I think our D played over its head last year.  We have a lot of raw talent on this D, we need a teacher.  Phillips is a master schemer but he does most of his work with veteran players.

Actually. I'm not too happy with what I have seen from Eberflus.

I am thinking more and more, his scheme is flawed.

But my point is, the Colts brass is not moving away from Flus at this point. no way, no how.