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I mean to me he is always a step late in Coverage or too far down the field making a tackle. I like the guy out of Michigan state . I cannot thi k if his name smh . Thoughts ?maybe its just me 

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No, I wouldn't say so. He's not a bad player. But this season, I'd call his overall body of work just average at best. I think the numbers back that up.

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He’s definitely had a rough stretch in coverage recently.

 

What’s weird is that his tackling has improved immensely. He’s a lot more physical this year.

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9 minutes ago, Thunderbolt said:

Another draft busts.

I wouldn't call him a bust. Sure, you want to get more of a 1st rounder, but i think he's a victim of the system Eberflus is running and the lack of passrush. 

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He's not a bust. Far from it. But he's been out of position on several key plays the past two games and that has cost the team. Lets see if the team and Hooker can shore things up in the next two weeks. I expect that to happen. 

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Don't know if he ever could have, considering how much hype there was. 

 

Regardless, I think his value diminished considerably once we fired Pagano and hired Eberflus.  I'll guess that he's put in position to show his talents about 50% of the plays, not 90% like he might have under Pagano. I don't see that changing as long as Eberflus is here.

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I wonder how we would assess Ballard if he didn't get credit for Leonard.  Grigson didn't get credit for Luck and Ballard really shouldn't for Nelson.

 

Drafts have been pretty poor when you compare them to other GMs.

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8 minutes ago, bhougland said:

I wonder how we would assess Ballard if he didn't get credit for Leonard.  Grigson didn't get credit for Luck and Ballard really shouldn't for Nelson.

 

Drafts have been pretty poor when you compare them to other GMs.

That's a fair point actually.  Never saw it like that before.  He did trade down and got Leonard and still got Nelson, so that was a good move.  Still, that draft had 3 or 4 QBs projected to go in the top 7 picks so its not like it took a genius to trade down from 3 to 6 and still get a good player plus another pick.

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Agree that he's not a bust (at all), but he was overvalued as a top 15 guy and that's going to hang over him. Also being in the Colts secondary that last two weeks isn't a place to get accolades. 

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He is a good player but many here felt he hadn’t been living up to the “elite” billing that has been throw around here.

 

A lot more is expected from and he hasn’t delivered. 

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I think the defense we run and a lack of pass rush limits hooker.  If u want to compare him to Ed Reed we have to remember the Ravens had a great pass rush and good corners that enabled him to roam freely 

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Add in the fact he can’t stay healthy. Healthy has to be key for him to grow as a player. 

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I think Hooker has looked slow this year, doesn't have that quick burst. Has been a little tentative, just like most of the Colt defense these past 8 games.

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Seriously? The guy is a ball hawk. The sad part about it that our Corners are not playing well. It all starts with the pass rush and that need to be fixed in the offseason

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31 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

Seriously? The guy is a ball hawk. The sad part about it that our Corners are not playing well. It all starts with the pass rush and that need to be fixed in the offseason


Ball hawk with 2 ints? 

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Hooker simply needs another great player around him at corner to help him. He’s got an eye for nabbing the ball but I think he’s forced to play too soft zone with terrible corners. 

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2 hours ago, cgi4life said:

I think the defense we run and a lack of pass rush limits hooker.  If u want to compare him to Ed Reed we have to remember the Ravens had a great pass rush and good corners that enabled him to roam freely 

 

Oh boy, I remember those days...

 

Peter Boulware

Adalius Thomas

Ray Lewis

Chris McAllister

Kelly Gregg

Haloti Ngata

 

All on that defense.

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3 hours ago, bhougland said:

I wonder how we would assess Ballard if he didn't get credit for Leonard.  Grigson didn't get credit for Luck and Ballard really shouldn't for Nelson.

 

Drafts have been pretty poor when you compare them to other GMs.


Ballard shouldn’t get credit for Nelson?

 

Oh, dear God!   Please make it stop.  What are the magic words?   This is painful. 
 

He makes the right move, one opposed by many here.  And now that it looks like an obvious move those who are frustrated with this season, and Ballard as well,  now want to deny him credit for a genius move. 
 

I appreciate this is a disappointing season,  but let’s not stop using logic and common sense as we try to figure out what went wrong this year.... 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Oh, dear God!   Please make it stop.

Had me chuckling a good one, my friend. It is astounding....isn't it?

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1 hour ago, indyagent17 said:

Seriously? The guy is a ball hawk. The sad part about it that our Corners are not playing well. It all starts with the pass rush and that need to be fixed in the offseason

he may have been a ball hawk in college, just not showing it in the pros

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44 minutes ago, pgt_rob said:

Hooker simply needs another great player around him at corner to help him. He’s got an eye for nabbing the ball but I think he’s forced to play too soft zone with terrible corners. 

Shouldn't that be the other way around for a great player? Hooker should make the corners look better than they are.

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32 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:


Ballard shouldn’t get credit for Nelson?

 

Oh, dear God!   Please make it stop.  What are the magic words?   This is painful. 
 

He makes the right move, one opposed by many here.  And now that it looks like an obvious move those who are frustrated with this season, and Ballard as well,  now want to deny him credit for a genius move. 
 

I appreciate this is a disappointing season,  but let’s not stop using logic and common sense as we try to figure out what went wrong this year.... 

 

 

Actually, it was an obvious move.  There were three QBs plus Saquon Barkley, Chubb, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Derwin James, Roquan Smith and Nelson all at the top of that draft.

 

It was obvious that he was going to get a good player at 6, just like it was obvious Grigson was going to get a good player at 1.  That's his point.

 

And Ballard could have gotten other good players if he traded out of 6. We don't know that two other players he could have picked would not of worked out, including the OL playing LT for NE . That would or could have been the "right" move too.

 

Getting a good player in the first half of round 1 is not special, but whiffing on pick 15 kind of stands out.

 

Malik Hooker = Bjoern Werner ??????

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Some of it is Eberflus has him playing close to the LOS a lot of times. He needs  to let him do what he is best at. Plus no pass rush kills the secondary.

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34 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Actually, it was an obvious move.  There were three QBs plus Saquon Barkley, Chubb, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Derwin James, Roquan Smith and Nelson all at the top of that draft.

 

It was obvious that he was going to get a good player at 6, just like it was obvious Grigson was going to get a good player at 1.  That's his point.

 

And Ballard could have gotten other good players if he traded out of 6. We don't know that two other players he could have picked would not of worked out, including the OL playing LT for NE . That would or could have been the "right" move too.

 

Getting a good player in the first half of round 1 is not special, but whiffing on pick 15 kind of stands out.

 

Malik Hooker = Bjoern Werner ??????


Sorry, Doug.   You in particular don’t get to call it an obvious move.   You’ve opposed the move as a mistake fir two straight years.
 

Now it’s obvious? 

 

The move YOU WANTED was for Ballard to trade down again and get more picks.   That was your obvious move.   You opposed taking a guard in the top-10.   You wanted a second trade.  You’ve argued long and loud for that.

 

Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways. 
 

I appreciate that this is yet another way for you to argue that Ballard isn’t good at his job.   But only people who don’t know football try to make those  arguments.... 

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5 hours ago, MPStack said:

Good player: Yes

 

Top 15 pick: No

This....  Also if he doesn't stay healthy I would say he is a 50-100 pick. 

My opinion is hooker has that osu curse... Injury bug gonna eat his NFL career up. 

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6 hours ago, love the shoe said:

I mean to me he is always a step late in Coverage or too far down the field making a tackle. I like the guy out of Michigan state . I cannot thi k if his name smh . Thoughts ?maybe its just me 

I remember back in the day, when the Tampa defense began showing cracks, and was starting to get beat.  Warren Sapp got targeted for a lot of criticism.  And he answered his critics with an emphatic:  "I am doing my job.  For this defense to work, every single position has a job to do, and they must do it.  If they try to cover for someone else because they didn't do their job, your job gets left open, and the defense falls apart."
I can't help but think of Warren Sapp's analysis when I think of Malik Hooker.  He has a job to do:  deep cover middle.  And he has guys around him that need to do their jobs, too.  But on one side he as a rookie corner (Ya-Sin) who is still getting used to playing zone.  On the other side he has a rookie safety (Willis) who is getting used to NFL speed.  In front of him, the starting nickle is injured, and he has Wilson there, who keeps getting turned around and beat.  The temptation is strong to cheat to their side, to help, but you have a job to do.  And when they screw up, it means that you have an extra step or two required to go clean up what they didn't make happen.  He's got a job to do.  And it ain't easy.

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1 hour ago, DougDew said:

Shouldn't that be the other way around for a great player? Hooker should make the corners look better than they are.

Have you noticed how little opposing quarterback has thrown his Direction.

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42 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

He's got a job to do.  And it ain't easy.

Today's fan. Things ain't right? Point fingers. (and act like you know more than the pros who are doing it, teaching it, and coaching it)

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Definitely not. But he's at least average and isn't in his prime yet or anything. But since people like to play this game, we could have traded down 15 more spots that year and still got TJ Watt, so kind of a disappointment for where we picked him. 

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8 hours ago, Hoose said:

He's not a bust. Far from it. But he's been out of position on several key plays the past two games and that has cost the team. Lets see if the team and Hooker can shore things up in the next two weeks. I expect that to happen. 

you know those two big plays the Texans made against us was all hooker fault. Twice he bit down on slot receiver leaving Hopkins one on one. He more of a liability then a safe beat.  In all the stats hooker not even sniffing the top ten lets alone top 20

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7 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:


Sorry, Doug.   You in particular don’t get to call it an obvious move.   You’ve opposed the move as a mistake fir two straight years.
 

Now it’s obvious? 

 

The move YOU WANTED was for Ballard to trade down again and get more picks.   That was your obvious move.   You opposed taking a guard in the top-10.   You wanted a second trade.  You’ve argued long and loud for that.

 

Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways. 
 

I appreciate that this is yet another way for you to argue that Ballard isn’t good at his job.   But only people who don’t know football try to make those  arguments...

 

The comparison was to Grigson taking Luck.  Both selections were equally obvious or not obvious.

 

Some advocated for Grigson (Irsay) trading the pick and keeping Manning.  I mentioned that, and to select Nick Foles in the third to sit behind Manning as we used the picks to rebuild the team around him. (As a possibility. I didn't think it was the direction the Colts were going so I didn't harp on it on this forum)  Both GMs had great options.  Both chose to keep the pick.   

 

If you're not trading the pick, the selection of a good player at that spot is obvious considering the pool of players on the board.  Trading the picks could have been the "right" move too.  To the point, credit or noncredit should be dispensed equally.  

 

And I've never said Ballard isn't good at his job,( as if saying he isn't is some sort of heresy)  I'm pretty mild when it comes to saying that GMs suck or should be fired.  Anything said in that vain about Ballard is sarcasm.

 

And even if I'd offer the thought about which mid first round pick was better, Grigson's Kelly at 18 or Ballard's Hooker at 15, I'm still not saying that Ballard isn't good at his job, or that Grigson was better.

 

But this isn't a Ballard thread, and Grigson is old news.   

 

Despite what you might say, I've never said that Hooker sucks or should be replaced.  My sincere opinion was expressed in my first post in this thread.

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7 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

Some of it is Eberflus has him playing close to the LOS a lot of times. He needs  to let him do what he is best at. Plus no pass rush kills the secondary.

But that's the problem, at its root.  An NFL defense needs all 11 players involved in stopping all aspects of the offense.  Prevent defense allows the offense to convert underneath plays.  You can't have one player back there perpetually playing prevent defense or else the other 10 guys won't be able to get off the field on 3rd down.  

 

To Hooker's credit, when he does play close to the LOS, the opponents run game is muted.  Of course, we then see him behave like any other FS helping with the run game and gets beat deep.

 

The idea that you can pick a player to do nothing but play long ball prevent is an idea that's doomed to failure, IMO.  And I think Ballard picked Hooker not solely because of his long ball prevention skills, but because of the high ceiling that comes with being fast and athletic and could learn all aspects of FS play.  Hooker may still do that.

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