Peyton ^messing^ Things Up

[Jules]

I just pictured you changing your name to LuckyGirl and I think I just threw up.....a little............in my mouth......... :faint:

[ruksak]

I just pictured you changing your name to LuckyGirl

I think it's sexy!

[braveheartcolt]

Not if you have followed him and his family for a long time. See MACs post. No need to repeat.

Overruled M'lord. Speculation.

If you are basing this knowledge on his 'in front of the camera / microphone' persona', then I despair.

Sure, he appears to be all he seems to be, but do we really know his values etc? Really know?

[Peytongirl]

I just pictured you changing your name to LuckyGirl and I think I just threw up.....a little............in my mouth......... :faint:

No worries...never gonna happen. ;) PG forever.

[Jules]

Change your name to "WayneWoman"

[Peytongirl]

Overruled M'lord. Speculation.

If you are basing this knowledge on his 'in front of the camera / microphone' persona', then I despair.

Sure, he appears to be all he seems to be, but do we really know his values etc? Really know?

How do you NOT know? Works both ways...

[Peytongirl]

Change your name to "WayneWoman"

No thanks.

[braveheartcolt]

How do you NOT know? Works both ways...

You are right PG. But saying you 'know' how someone 'ticks' when you can't really know for sure is my stand point.

I'm just being picky I suppose.

[Corndog]

I doubt it's about money. The price is pretty much already set on what you're going to have to pay him if you've made it this far on Survivor: Manning Island.

However, if he doesn't pick San Fran, I'm going to assume there are other motivations behind the decision besides winning.

I agree, but I am actually suprised San Fran could fit Manning into their salary cap. Also, Alex Smith hasn't been great but I figured they would give the guy a chance. Although it is incredibly hard to say no to Manning if he can get back to old form. San Fran is not only the closest team making an offer for Manning to be a Super Bowl contender, but one of the closest teams in the NFL period. If he can stay healthy it is almost a guarenteed SB ring for him. Him saying no to San Fran doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Sure it might be a little too different than the more "traditional" midwest, but the weather is pretty decent and the team is amazing. The only thing is I am not sold on him and Harbaugh working together, but I bet for championship sake they would make things work.

Denver is pretty close too, although a few steps behind San Fran. However, it gets a little colder there towards the end of the season. I could also see the elevation taking some getting used to. Denver does have one major advantage over San Fran, they would easily give Manning control over the offense. I am not sure if Harbaugh would be as willing.

Tennesee, well they will pretty much give Manning whatever he wants. The location is also pretty good for him. It's not a far move from Indy and even closer to his homestate of Louisianna. Not to mention the guy is a hero there from his college days and it would be a pretty familar place for him. But the downside is pretty big, the team is in disarray, ran by an owner who clearly has a few >>>s loose. I still think Tennesee would be pretty solid with Manning, but nothing like San Fran or Denver.

[ruksak]

Am I the only one that finds it odd that the media practically had Manning in a retirement home until he left the Colts? Now he's superman again. Weird how that works. I mean they didn't even wait until he threw for a team before they seemed to disregard their previous concern over his recovery.

[DILLIGAFER]

What a shock! Denver offered him 5 years $90 Million and he's still holding out for more. But it's not about the money.

Yep. Does "Linsanity" ring a bell? What a farce that was.

Ok that statement was so off bases its offensive.

[chrisfarley]

What is wrong with him trying to get more money?

it's not about the money w/Peyton. He said it himself.

[Peyton and Eli fan]

Am I the only one that finds it odd that the media practically had Manning in a retirement home until he left the Colts? Now he's superman again. Weird how that works. I mean they didn't even wait until he threw for a team before they seemed to disregard their previous concern over his recovery.

Who was in control of the media leaks while he was still a Colt?

[wallieump99]

If you were selecting what you knew the be the very last job of your life after never selecting on before...wouldn't you take more than a week too?

[Malakai432]

It's true that for all we know he wears ladies underwear and spends hours everyday watching internet porn.

Hmmmm, I thought everyone did that??? I just thought it was a common household tradition. Kind of like Easter or Halloween. I also like to wear ladies speed stick like Randy Daytona. I kid, I kid.

[chrisfarley]

i hope manning makes mind up, chooses 49ers

[ruksak]

If you were selecting what you knew the be the very last job of your life after never selecting on before...wouldn't you take more than a week too?

I understand him being judicious and slow in the process, but we all know how he is with concern toward preparation. I imagine he wants to get settled in expeditiously and get too work as soon as possible.

What I think no one foresaw was the extent to which Peyton's availability has wreaked havoc upon the league. To the point now where it is affecting teams that aren't even seeking him anymore, or weren't seeking him at all. This situation is causing QB's that thought they were set just 2 weeks ago to become unseated and their security has dissolved entirely. In over 30 years of following the NFL, I cannot remember anything even remotely like this ever occurring.

[ruksak]

i hope manning makes mind up, chooses 49ers

I was pulling for the Broncs because I prefer them as a team. I have history with them as far as being a fan back in the 80's/90's. However for Peyton's sake, I see SF as an amazing opportunity to lock in place an instant multiple SB contender.

Not only do I spit on Tennessee (not the state but their filthy football team), but if he goes there he's gonna be doing exactly what he did under Polian's regime. That is, pulling the weight of the team and grossly underachieving as a team.

[MAC]

Hmmmm, I thought everyone did that??? I just thought it was a common household tradition. Kind of like Easter or Halloween. I also like to wear ladies speed stick like Randy Daytona. I kid, I kid.

The odd part is that yesterday I ended up referring to Marv Albert's famously related incident in a different thread. I hope it's not a trend.

[MAC]

What I think no one foresaw was the extent to which Peyton's availability has wreaked havoc upon the league. To the point now where it is affecting teams that aren't even seeking him anymore, or weren't seeking him at all. This situation is causing QB's that thought they were set just 2 weeks ago to become unseated and their security has dissolved entirely. In over 30 years of following the NFL, I cannot remember anything even remotely like this ever occurring.

I was pulling for the Broncs because I prefer them as a team. I have history with them as far as being a fan back in the 80's/90's. However for Peyton's sake, I see SF as an amazing opportunity to lock in place an instant multiple SB contender.

Not only do I spit on Tennessee (not the state but their filthy football team), but if he goes there he's gonna be doing exactly what he did under Polian's regime. That is, pulling the weight of the team and grossly underachieving as a team.

I feel bad for the Dolphins who've now lost out twice in a matter of days. Watch, they'll for forced to draft another QB, and he'll turn out to be Joe Montana Jr, while the other parties fall on their faces. Of course they could get Smith, and then if Manning doesn't go to the 49ers their fan base is going to want to hang someone. Of course they already have their own junior QB (as do they Titans). Anything could happen.

I really hope that he picks Denver. SF is going to be thinking "Super Bowl or you stink", there are a lot more good teams in the NFC, and I just don't want to see him in our division. PLEASE be the Broncos.

Plus I like horses. Never liked a single 49er or Titan that I've met.

[MIColtsFan]

the "sources" are just getting annoyed they don't have any real info and need to come up with tabloid stuff to fill some air minutes. Peyton not only has himself and the rest of his career to consider, but his family and I'm sure he will be as thorough with this as he is with game day prep.

[chrisfarley]

If you were selecting what you knew the be the very last job of your life after never selecting on before...wouldn't you take more than a week too?

why not sign a one year contract and just go year to year because if it turns out a bad fit, there are options.

[ViriLudant]

So much for Peyton looking for an "incentive-laden contract."

I knew that he was lying the moment it was reported.

[chrisfarley]

So much for Peyton looking for an "incentive-laden contract."

I knew that he was lying the moment it was reported.

what are you talking about?

[FireJimCaldwell]

So much for Peyton looking for an "incentive-laden contract."

I knew that he was lying the moment it was reported.

1 ) He never said it.

2 ) Contracts like that are for players that don't have options.

[FireJimCaldwell]

why not sign a one year contract and just go year to year because if it turns out a bad fit, there are options.

I believe he's looking for something that will allow him to finish his career. A contract that will protect the team from injury, and a contract that will protect him from having to have this process happen again.

[UndecidedFrog]

I believe he's looking for something that will allow him to finish his career. A contract that will protect the team from injury, and a contract that will protect him from having to have this process happen again.

1) 4-5 years? allows PM to finish his NFL QB career. Or do you have a different time frame in mind?

2) small upfront bonus, and/or roster bonuses for each year, and/or bonuses tied to number of games played per year, to protect the team from his future inability to play. Or do you have a different suggestion for this?

3) No trade clause. However that is no guarantee that will protect PM from having to start this process over again. As you and I both know, all NFL players can be cut at any future date. Or do you have a different suggestion for this?

[FireJimCaldwell]

1) 4-5 years? allows PM to finish his NFL QB career. Or do you have a different time frame in mind?

2) small upfront bonus, and/or roster bonuses for each year, and/or bonuses tied to number of games played per year, to protect the team from his future inability to play. Or do you have a different suggestion for this?

3) No trade clause. However that is no guarantee that will protect PM from having to start this process over again. As you and I both know, all NFL players can be cut at any future date. Or do you have a different suggestion for this?

1 )4-5 years seems about right, that incorporates his last Colts contract and might have a fluff year, he might play it out. If he's healthy and still performing at high level I could see another 1-2 year extension. Doubtful, but it would be based on his level of play, health and desire to play.

2 ) This is the hardest part about it. I think the initial year will be different from the last contract, possibly with a bonus due opening week, or at a date that will trigger an extension that is more fully guaranteed. I could see the guaranteed monies being guaranteed against any injury other than the neck/arm. Basically if he were to blow out an ACL or Achilles, then he's still going to be paid, but if he has an official setback with the neck/arm then he wouldn't. It will need to be structured so that any bonus when paid is prorated across the contract and that can be stipulated so that while its more of a roster bonus it can convert to a signing/option bonus and prorated from that point.

3 ) The bonus dollars if paid up front will serve as the no-trade clause. It will depend on the language of guarantees vs. injury

If reports are true it will be structured in a similar manner as his last Colts contract. Time will tell

I just don't see him signing a year to year deal with anyone and I doubt the contract will be as easy to digest as his previous one.

[UndecidedFrog]

2 ) This is the hardest part about it. I think the initial year will be different from the last contract, possibly with a bonus due opening week, or at a date that will trigger an extension that is more fully guaranteed. I could see the guaranteed monies being guaranteed against any injury other than the neck/arm. Basically if he were to blow out an ACL or Achilles, then he's still going to be paid, but if he has an official setback with the neck/arm then he wouldn't. It will need to be structured so that any bonus when paid is prorated across the contract and that can be stipulated so that while its more of a roster bonus it can convert to a signing/option bonus and prorated from that point.

:???: I'm having some difficulty attempting to decipher what you said above. I understand the guarantee against injury excluding a recurrence of his neck/nerve/arm injury (akin to pre-existing condition clause in some insurance policies). In such cases, would the upfront bonus monies be escrowed into an account, and released to PM a portion at a time after each year, when the neck/nerve/arm injury does not resurface, such that all of it is released at the end of the contractual term? And if a neck/nerve/arm injury resurfaces during the contractual term, the remaining balance of such escrow would release to the team. Is that what you mean?

... and I doubt the contract will be as easy to digest as his previous one.

Are you suggesting that his previous contract was easy to digest? From the amount of explanation you and I have had to provide, I doubt that was the case.

[FireJimCaldwell]

:???: I'm having some difficulty attempting to decipher what you said above. I understand the guarantee against injury excluding a recurrence of his neck/nerve/arm injury (akin to pre-existing condition clause in some insurance policies). In such cases, would the upfront bonus monies be escrowed into an account, and released to PM a portion at a time after each year, when the neck/nerve/arm injury does not resurface, such that all of it is released at the end of the contractual term? And if a neck/nerve/arm injury resurfaces during the contractual term, the remaining balance of such escrow would release to the team. Is that what you mean?

It would be dependent on more like an annual roster bonus. It might not be set up that way at all. I could see it set up where if year 1 comes an goes and he plays, that future years would be guaranteed for performance/injury(outside of the neck/arm). I don't see the funds being in any form of escrow. Basically year 2 would be guaranteed since in the hypothetical year 1 was injury free. If he blows out an ACL, he's still paid, if he has a neck/neck related issue, they could release him without those $'s coming in to play. Basically only thing that would accelerate would be any portion of a bonus paid as a SB or treated that way in year 1.

Are you suggesting that his previous contract was easy to digest? From the amount of explanation you and I have had to provide, I doubt that was the case.

It was for me. It fit a general template. I would be surprised if this new one wasn't easier.

The OB was being carried in year 1 for accounting purposes was a little different, but for the most part it was simple. It didn't contain incentives, or tons of stipulations.

[Rblake]

@OP

Too many people are overly concerned with the personal decisions of others.