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11 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Our WR core is made of glass and I am not the bashing type. I love the Colts but they are. TY and Ebron out, Campbell out, Rogers out after 1 play. Tired of it. You get paid millions a year, play or retire like Luck did. Funchess breaks his collarbone, that is a 2 month heel with him it is a year I guess.

And it doesn't stop on offense. Look at the same thing on defense.  Seems the draft picks are fast and fragile.

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13 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

I think you and I started from completely different places. As you know I follow a ton of CFB. I was never in awe of JB in college, and was pretty meh when we got him in 2017. In college I saw him as very limited and knew he struggled with a lot of basic things. I wasn't unhappy with him, but just looked at him as a bridge back to Luck. This year, I didn't have a lot of expectations but thought he might do OK in a dink and dunk system with a good dose of running. I never really bought the top 20 stuff, but was open to seeing what he had.

 

I didn't think he'd still struggle so much with the same things he did in college, and to be honest, bought into a little of the hype from the FO. I thought he's make mistakes, but would improve as the year went along. He hasn't really improved in most of the areas I thought he would. He still struggles reading Ds, progressions, and can't identify a blitz to save his life. The missing of open guys has happened all year and continues. I think you'll see the same thing from film this week as you did last. The week he just was a little bit better hitting the underneath stuff in their soft zones early in the 1st half. 

 

Regardless, I just don't see him making a big jump in the last 4 games of the season. He seems like the same guy from NC State. I really wish I was wrong because he a fantastic kid, but just not seeing it. I get the injury stuff, but he's got a bunch of guys wide open that you just can't miss. It doesn't matter if Rogers or others are limited receivers, if they're open, they're doing their jobs and JB needs to hit them. 

 

 

I totally agree.   

He is what he is.   We know that and I suspect Reich does too.   

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4 hours ago, Turftoe said:

My first reaction regarding Kelly was: why have the guy on the team if you won't ever play him and find out what he can do.  But, after thinking it over I have to wonder if it was that the team never thought they'd really "need" a third string QB.  With Luck & Brissett at #1 & #2, a third QB was really a remote need.  When Luck quit, they realized they needed a reliable #2 and went out and got a used car named Hoyer.  The thinking probably changed when JB got injured and Hoyer failed to prove himself worthy, but teetering on elimination may not make any difference.  I truly believe part of the reason Kelly was invited was as a favor from Reich to Jim Kelly - in large part to allow the younger Kelly to show whether he can keep out of trouble and remain a viable, potential NFL QB.  I'm not so sure the team had or has any real intention of playing him.

 

That said, once eliminated from playoff contention (mathematically), I'd like to see him get some time on the field - but I'm not banking on seeing it.

 

I think some part of this is correct, except I think they do think highly of his skill set for the following reasons:

 

1.  Chris Ballard said that his scouts watched everything about Chad and they thought long and hard about bringing him in.  He never mentioned the relationship to Frank (however, I don't believe he would). This is a minor point.

 

2. He is the highest paid practice squad player in the the NFL.  This is a poison pill to many teams that have cap issues.  However, it is still a relatively low amount.

 

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15 hours ago, Jdubu said:

I’ll agree. You can’t make choices based on the fans knee reactions but they dang well should be capable of making factual and real life information. JB isn’t cutting it. Is he injured? Perhaps but was he tearing it up before that? No. It’s time to see other people. 

When the D gives up 31 points and 150 yards rushing, I'm hesitant to blame the guy who threw for 300 yards for the loss.

 

You guys aren't actually mad at Brissett.  you're mad because we lost.  Brissett is just the convenient scapegoat.

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Just now, Imgrandojji said:

When the D gives up 31 points and 150 yards rushing, I'm hesitant to blame the guy who threw for 300 yards for the loss.

 

You guys aren't actually mad at Brissett.  you're mad because we lost.  Brissett is just the convenient scapegoat.

 

Who inconveniently threw 2 interceptions....:lol:

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5 minutes ago, bhougland said:

 

Who inconveniently threw 2 interceptions....:lol:

And missed wide open men multiple times in Texans game ,but it's not his fault .

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14 hours ago, Indy_Mike said:

I guess in all of those years you have never seen a coach change their mind and go for a 4th down, or go for 2, or try to score a TD instead of settle for a FG because of crowd reaction....because I've seen that happen plenty of times in the almost 50 years I've been a fan. I'm glad you didn't notice, would be a really stupid reason to stop being a fan!

No, I have never witnessed that. I have, however, seen many obnoxious fans screaming at the team....have the coach decide something that aligned with those fans, and they misread that as something that they influenced. ANY coach that would do that, is not worth their salt. 

 

I can see we see two different worlds in this, and I am fine with ending the discussion...and agree to disagree. Good day and go Colts. 

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1 hour ago, Imgrandojji said:

When the D gives up 31 points and 150 yards rushing, I'm hesitant to blame the guy who threw for 300 yards for the loss.

 

You guys aren't actually mad at Brissett.  you're mad because we lost.  Brissett is just the convenient scapegoat.

Wow, can’t tell if you are serious on this or not. JB is just not starting caliber material, he just isn’t. If you’re ok with the picks and you’re ok with the missed wide open receivers to throw into double or triple coverage and you’re ok with him still not going through progressions or reading defenses well, then I guess it’s all the defenses fault and I’m voting for JB as the AFC QB to represent in the pro bowl this year because you’re seeing someone many of us are not. 

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I just saw something on team stream from Kevin Bowen .On brisett's two picks a completely clean pocket .Not much more to say especially when u see the wide open guys In Texans game he didn't hit .

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1 hour ago, bhougland said:

 

Who inconveniently threw 2 interceptions....:lol:

Picks happen when you put the game on your arm.  They happened to Luck, and we all agree that Brissett is not luck.  With what might be the worst receiving corps in the entire NFL, and a game that forced us to go to the air anyway, picks are inevitable.

 

You're acting like Brissett has anything to work with here.  He really, really doesn't.  Frankly it's amazing that the air game is giving us anything.

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47 minutes ago, Jdubu said:

Wow, can’t tell if you are serious on this or not. JB is just not starting caliber material, he just isn’t. 

You say that so confidently.  3 weeks ago before he got hurt, you were not so confident.

 

Got a guy with a banged up knee trying to throw to Pascal, Doyle and a bunch of PS scrubs.  Did you really expect that not to come back to bite us pretty dang hard in crunch time?

 

 

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38 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

I wish they would give Kelly a shot... but they never will.

They might, if CB and FR believe that JB is too injured to play.

Ebron went on IR for much less.

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15 minutes ago, Imgrandojji said:

You say that so confidently.  3 weeks ago before he got hurt, you were not so confident.

 

Got a guy with a banged up knee trying to throw to Pascal, Doyle and a bunch of PS scrubs.  Did you really expect that not to come back to bite us pretty dang hard in crunch time?

 

 

It’s his overall body of work. His knee may be an issue but his inability to look for other targets besides his first, his pushing it downfield, his throwing guys open, those things have been issues all year long. His knee doesn’t hinder his eyesight or his turning of the head to look both left and right through progressions. 
 

you like him obviously for the longer term, most of us don’t. We can just leave it there.  

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32 minutes ago, Dr. T said:

They might, if CB and FR believe that JB is too injured to play.

Ebron went on IR for much less.

 Is JB even hurt?

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23 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:

I mean I get wanting to see what the kid can do and once the Colts are officially eliminated you might very well see that but I don’t think he’s going to be anything close to the answer people want him to be.  

 

He won a backup job in Denver but couldn’t win the starting job over one of the worst starting QBs in the league.  Every team in the league has had multiple chances to sign him, even after he had a good pre-season and some teams were in desperate need of a QB and passed.  

 

I seriously doubt he’s going to be much better than Jacoby and even if he is I think it will be fools gold and you will see him struggle once other teams get film on him.  

 

I get wanting him to be better and be the answer but I doubt he is.

I suspect the reason he hasn't won a starting job has to do with character/maturity concerns more than pure QB skills.

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I like how some on here are complaining about the Colts recievers. Take a look at the steeler recievers. I'll take our recievers all day every day. And not only that the steelers started an undrafted rookie from a d3 college again yesterday and won. This is a team game and the Colts have found different ways to lose 6 games this year that they could have just as easily won. It is what it is but I do hope we have an open competition at qb next year to determine a starter. Whether it is Brissett, Kelly or a draft pick.

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12 minutes ago, Two_pound said:

I like how some on here are complaining about the Colts recievers. Take a look at the steeler recievers. I'll take our recievers all day every day. And not only that the steelers started an undrafted rookie from a d3 college again yesterday and won. This is a team game and the Colts have found different ways to lose 6 games this year that they could have just as easily won. It is what it is but I do hope we have an open competition at qb next year to determine a starter. Whether it is Brissett, Kelly or a draft pick.

The Steelers have a huge advantage at WR, you know why? They have Cain :sarcasm:

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Yes, JB is hurt. He has a MCL strain and has a huge, bulky brace on his knee. He can't set to throw. He can't run as fast. Maybe he will need surgery after the season is over, or maybe not.

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10 minutes ago, Dr. T said:

Yes, JB is hurt. He has a MCL strain and has a huge, bulky brace on his knee. He can't set to throw. He can't run as fast. Maybe he will need surgery after the season is over, or maybe not.

He can absolutely set to throw.  The brace is specifically designed as to let him do everything he needs to.  As an Ortho guy, trust me, the brace isn't limiting him.  An injury might be, but the brace isn't.  You don't throw a limiting device in a guy and set him out there to fail.  People assume the device is responsible for limiting the athlete all the time.  The injury is listing him, or he just sucks, but the brace is only there to prevent further injury, while allowing him to plant, run, etc.

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5 hours ago, Imgrandojji said:

When the D gives up 31 points and 150 yards rushing, I'm hesitant to blame the guy who threw for 300 yards for the loss.

 

You guys aren't actually mad at Brissett.  you're mad because we lost.  Brissett is just the convenient scapegoat.

The defense didn't give up 31 points first of all.  

  

Special teams created a 16 point swing (3 missed FG's with one blocked for a TD).  

  

It was their fault we lost.  

Brissett wasn't good, but he was only a small factor in us losing.

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6 minutes ago, ricker182 said:

The defense didn't give up 31 points first of all.  

  

Special teams created a 16 point swing (3 missed FG's with one blocked for a TD).  

  

It was their fault we lost.  

Brissett wasn't good, but he was only a small factor in us losing.

It was in part their fault.   Plenty of fault to go around though

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What gets lost in yesterdays game is Brissett threw for 319 yards but he had 2 INT's. This is another example why Yards passing can be misleading at times. I would of rather him throw for 219 with no INT's and we win.

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13 minutes ago, Stephen said:

Chad kelly is being sued 

For what?  Getting our hopes up?

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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

For what?  Getting our hopes up?

The article  said he broke the nose of some denver camera man back in 2018

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I've been a critic of giving Kelly a shot.   However,  if we lose to the Bucs,   maybe giving him a shot would be a good thing.   Live bullets.   I really like Jacoby.   I think he has all the physical traits.  He doesn't have the confidence in my opinion.   He double clutches,   he stares down the first read.   We know Hoyer isn't the answer.    Maybe we got lucky with Kelly.     This coming from a guy that was against him getting a chance

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48 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

What gets lost in yesterdays game is Brissett threw for 319 yards but he had 2 INT's. This is another example why Yards passing can be misleading at times. I would of rather him throw for 219 with no INT's and we win.

Or 520 YDS with 5 INTs but we win. I know you 2006, you don't care how you just want to WIN!!:thmup:

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It's Kelly time, put Kelly in the rest of the season since we're out anyway and JB ain't worth a lick...Draft a new QB, compete, and start him..

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6 hours ago, bhougland said:

 

Who inconveniently threw 2 interceptions....:lol:

Didn't you know bhougland, only Hoyer throws inconvenient INTs.

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On 12/1/2019 at 5:29 PM, TheMiz said:

If we lose to the Bucs, I would imagine that we'd be seeing Kelly in some game action to finish the year

 

Good Jameis, or bad Winston. Who shows up?

 

On 12/1/2019 at 5:35 PM, TheMiz said:

I don't remember the specifics of his contract, but I'm pretty sure it is easy to get out of and he could be cut after this season with minimal financial impact

 

If you call $12,500,000.00  in dead cap minimal financial impact, yes. Easy Peasy.

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8 hours ago, Myles said:

I totally agree.   

He is what he is.   We know that and I suspect Reich does too.   

Yup. Reich's O relies on a QB's ability to read, identify, and progress. It's a lot more responsibility on a QB than Chud's O IMO. I'm sure Reich and Ballard know better than us. It's likely going to be an awkward off season if not already awkward. The whole Ballard to Utah story was very awkward in terms of optics. I do feel for JB.

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1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

Yup. Reich's O relies on a QB's ability to read, identify, and progress. It's a lot more responsibility on a QB than Chud's O IMO. I'm sure Reich and Ballard know better than us. It's likely going to be an awkward off season if not already awkward. The whole Ballard to Utah story was very awkward in terms of optics. I do feel for JB.

It's a business,  J.B. has been payed very well for what he brings to the table.  He just doesn't have the skills to take this team to the big prize.  Granted this team is riddled with injuries, but even when we were at full speed, he still had issues with read's, holding the ball to long, bullet screen passes, afraid of throwing an INT, thus missing open receivers.

 

I had high hopes for J.B. at the start of the season, I knew he would have issues when we brought him in when Andrew went down, but he played better than I expected.  Andrew retires preseason, and J.B. again becomes the starter, in my OP he has regressed.  He is not an NFL starting QB.  He had the opportunity to learn from Brady, and Luck, he has all of the physical skills to succeed, but for what ever reason, he is unable to make quick decisions a QB has to make.  It's time for the F.O. to put this QB decision to bed.

 

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6 minutes ago, ojsglove said:

It's a business,  J.B. has been payed very well for what he brings to the table.  He just doesn't have the skills to take this team to the big prize.  Granted this team is riddled with injuries, but even when we were at full speed, he still had issues with read's, holding the ball to long, bullet screen passes, afraid of throwing an INT, thus missing open receivers.

 

I had high hopes for J.B. at the start of the season, I knew he would have issues when we brought him in when Andrew went down, but he played better than I expected.  Andrew retires preseason, and J.B. again becomes the starter, in my OP he has regressed.  He is not an NFL starting QB.  He had the opportunity to learn from Brady, and Luck, he has all of the physical skills to succeed, but for what ever reason, he is unable to make quick decisions a QB has to make.  It's time for the F.O. to put this QB decision to bed.

 

Agreed. Unless things all of sudden click in the last 4 games, I don't see us not drafting.  I know we've had injuries, but we've also played some very poor passing Ds and our guys were very open. Going to be a very interesting off season.

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15 hours ago, Shafty138 said:

He can absolutely set to throw.  The brace is specifically designed as to let him do everything he needs to.  As an Ortho guy, trust me, the brace isn't limiting him.  An injury might be, but the brace isn't.  You don't throw a limiting device in a guy and set him out there to fail.  People assume the device is responsible for limiting the athlete all the time.  The injury is listing him, or he just sucks, but the brace is only there to prevent further injury, while allowing him to plant, run, etc.

If you are an ortho guy, I will defer to your obvious knowledge. However, as a brain guy, maybe the brace didn't affect JB physically, but perhaps having it on messed with his head.

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19 hours ago, bhougland said:

2. He is the highest paid practice squad player in the the NFL.  This is a poison pill to many teams that have cap issues.  However, it is still a relatively low amount.

 

Was, and it was close to NFL minimum pay.  But that practice squad contract was terminated and he was signed at NFL player minimum for the rest of 2019 as a member of the Colts 53 man roster.

13 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Maybe we got lucky with Kelly. 

 

One thing is certain, there is 'no tape' on him.  The plays pulled from the playbook for each game plan will be different; because the strengths/weaknesses and QB likes/dislikes of plays will be different.

 

It's harder for opponents to prepare and thus easier for a QB to flash.  The proof comes after 4-6 games are on tape and DC's can prepare a definitive game plan against him.

 

See Gardner Minshew and compare to JB-

 

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His stats vs. Tampa were bad too-

Cmp    Attt   %      Yds   Y/A   TD   Int

16        27    59.3   147    5.4     1       1

 

Jags spent on Foles, yet have named Minshew starter the rest of the year.  Replacing a QB and taking a big step forward is not easy, and (I feel) the new coach for Panthers will soon find that out too.

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