You look at both their careers, I see Peyton Manning have a 27:12 TD:INT ratio in 2008 and 33:16 TD:INT ratio in 2009 during his 2 MVP seasons. Outside the 2006 season, our SB winning season, where Peyton threw just 9 INTs for the whole season, Peyton had double digit INTs in every single season. Eli threw 10 and 14 INTs in those 2 seasons but then, team success matters a lot in MVP discussions, fair or not, and Peyton did have a better team, IMO.
From 2005-2012, for 8 straight years, the Giants DID NOT have a losing season. But by that time, the NFC was starting to get much stronger with Brees and Rodgers in their prime, and the Giants as a team got weaker.
Just look at it objectively, recent reputation and performance should not override what he did from 2005-2012 as a QB, which is Top 10 level. Plus, countless times, during those good years, you saw Brandon Jacobs or Ahmad Bradshaw punch it in once they got inside the 10. So, on the surface, those affect the TD pass count thus affecting the TD:INT ratio. To me, he was a good quarterback, who raised his game when the lights shone the brightest. He was by no means elite. I feel it would be deserved with him going in second ballot but first ballot HOF, he is not. But I do think he deserves to be in the HOF overall.
It is a "what have you done for me lately" league and people focus on the 2013-2018 years that were bad or borderline disasters, also because the Giants were a sub-par team for the most part, and dock Eli for it.
I agree with you about (I'm changing vision to awareness but essentially the same thing) but that is with the assumption the QB has minimum NFL arm strength and that is the knock on Fromm, is he may not have the minimum arm strength for NFL throws.
I am not saying I agree or disagree with that assessment, that is what I have read. Everything else about Fromm is positive, work ethic, desire, football IQ, leadership, etc. And personally, I figure there has to be something to a guy that, in college, sent two more highly recruited and, supposedly, more talented QBs packing off to other colleges.
Why wouldn't Nelson make a better LT than Haeg or Clark? Maybe its a matter of then not wanting to have a poor LG, but it might be easier to sign a FA LG until the correct LT comes along if Nelson slides over.
I wouldn't trust Haeg or Clark at LT. Teams will just isolate them with a speed rusher around the edge giving Nelson no chance to help out most of the time.
This makes perfect sense to me. As much as we need the 3T position we have also been trying for years to get that premier ER. They never hit FA but this year Clowney is going to hit FA. I don't see Chris Jones hitting FA for the 3T. So we have the money so now it comes down to Ballard's line in the sand stance on the cost. Will he be more flexible for a premier ER? And can he convince him and other FAs we are SB contenders. I guess we will find out soon enough.