Andrew Luck Perma Merge thread

[Pelt]

Good. Now let's move on.

[Myles]

7 minutes ago, Pelt said:

Good. Now let's move on.

Fans need to move on, but in no way is this "good".

[IndyD4U]

1 hour ago, Myles said:

Fans need to move on, but in no way is this "good".

 

I disagree.

 

Good for Andrew to get in, make his life earnings and retire after suffering with injuries for a couple years. No doubt, as a fan it sucked to see him retire so early

[Myles]

3 minutes ago, IndyD4U said:

 

I disagree.

 

Good for Andrew to get in, make his life earnings and retire after suffering with injuries for a couple years. No doubt, as a fan it sucked to see him retire so early

Good for Luck, I agree.  Not for anyone else.  

For us fans, it was nice to have the hope that maybe he would return after a year or 2.  Of course some fans may have taken that "hope" too far and started to expect it.  

[NannyMcafee]

[DougDew]

A learning lesson.  Don't wrap the success of your team around the body or mind of solely one player.  Or, be prepared for it to change after he gets $100 mil.

[Dingus McGirt]

[ColtJax]

3 hours ago, csmopar said:

Luck returning to football. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/oliver-luck-says-his-son-former-nfl-quarterback-andrew-luck-does-not-appear-to-have-a-desire-to-play-again/

 

When did the Colts debate Phillips Rivers under center next year?

[1959Colts]

5 hours ago, csmopar said:

Luck returning to football. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/oliver-luck-says-his-son-former-nfl-quarterback-andrew-luck-does-not-appear-to-have-a-desire-to-play-again/

 

Luck will continue to get huge pay checks from Irsay throughout the 2020 season for doing nothing...

So I am not a bit surprised to hear he does not have a desire to play again, at this time.

 

[Pelt]

6 hours ago, Myles said:

Fans need to move on, but in no way is this "good".

Of course it's good. There's no doubt about the franchise/front office doing anything but focusing straight ahead on the future without the interjection of distraction from a 'maybe' regarding the player that quit on the team two weeks before the season opener. 

 

Close the chapter.

 

Open a new one.

[ColtsBlueFL]

7 hours ago, 1959Colts said:

 

Luck will continue to get huge pay checks from Irsay throughout the 2020 season for doing nothing...

 

Bold claims demand bold proof...

 

7 hours ago, 1959Colts said:

So I am not a bit surprised to hear he does not have a desire to play again, at this time.

 

He has money already paid/collected and a beautiful wife and daughter.  Both he and have college degrees from Stanford (wife earned an MBA from I.U. too...). He wants health and time with them. Cannot fault his decision... IMHO.

 

[1959Colts]

36 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Bold claims demand bold proof...

 

 

 

Dead Cap hit for 2020:

Andrew Luck           QB            6,400,000           

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/cap/

 

When Luck retired he would have forfeited his 2019 and 2020 salary. 

Irsay decided to allow Luck to keep his pay. 

The Colts continue to fulfill his contract even though he is retired.

[ColtsBlueFL]

37 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

 

Dead Cap hit for 2020:

Andrew Luck           QB            6,400,000           

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/cap/

 

When Luck retired he would have forfeited his 2019 and 2020 salary. 

Irsay decided to allow Luck to keep his pay. 

The Colts continue to fulfill his contract even though he is retired.

 

Irsay allowed Luck to keep bonus money already paid.  But the team amortized the cap hit.  There's no pay going to Andrew (none, zero, zilch, nada), just a left over 6.4 million salary cap deficit on the books for the Colts team for 2020 to account for the bonus money Luck got a good while back. That Irsay allowed him to keep...  but there will be no pay going to AL in 2020.

 

 Don't believe me? Let's ask @Superman

[1959Colts]

36 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

 

Dead Cap hit for 2020:

Andrew Luck           QB            6,400,000           

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/cap/

 

When Luck retired he would have forfeited his 2019 and 2020 salary. 

Irsay decided to allow Luck to keep his pay. 

So, although Luck was not entitled to it, the Colts continue to fulfill his contract, even though he is retired.

 

[1959Colts]

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33 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Irsay allowed Luck to keep bonus money already paid.  But the team amortized the cap hit.  There's no pay going to Andrew (none, zero, zilch, nada), just a left over 6.4 million salary cap deficit on the books for the Colts team for 2020 to account for the bonus money Luck got a good while back that Irsay allowed him to keep...  but there will be no pay going to AL in 2020.

 

 Don't believe me? Let's ask @Superman

Whatever the method of payment may be...

My previous post is simply...

That I believe, because he has been graciously paid...

I am not a bit surprised, Andrew Luck has no further desire to play football.

[1959Colts]

25 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Irsay allowed Luck to keep bonus money already paid.  But the team amortized the cap hit.  There's no pay going to Andrew (none, zero, zilch, nada), just a left over 6.4 million salary cap deficit on the books for the Colts team for 2020 to account for the bonus money Luck got a good while back. That Irsay allowed him to keep...  but there will be no pay going to AL in 2020.

 

 Don't believe me? Let's ask @Superman

 

 

Here are the details:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27460243/sources-colts-recoup-money-luck

 

Quote

 

Adam SchefterESPN Senior Writer

 

Despite the fact that they could have recouped $24.8 million from their former quarterback, the Indianapolis Colts have reached a financial settlement with Andrew Luck and will not take back any of the money they are owed, league sources told ESPN.

The Colts essentially are telling Luck to keep it all, even though it is within their rights to reclaim the money.

The settlement was reached late last week, according to a source familiar with the talks.

 

Luck, 29, could have owed the Colts $12.8 million as a prorated portion of the $32 million signing bonus the Colts gave him when he signed his five-year extension in 2016, and another $12 million in roster bonuses he was paid in March. But Indianapolis waived its right to recoup the money and is allowing Luck to keep it all...

 

 

 

 

[ojsglove]

1 minute ago, 1959Colts said:

 

 

Here are the details:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27460243/sources-colts-recoup-money-luck

 

 

That is exactly why I continue to say we have the best owner in the NFL.  I think Irsay realizes his decision to stick with Grigson, who failed to bring in players to shore up the oline to protect Andrew, caused most of the injuries that led to this whole QB mess.  I guaranty 99% percent of the other NFL owners would have demanded the money back. 

[LockeDown]

My only regret is that Luck didn’t retire on Grigsons watch. Ballard paid for Grigsons mistakes. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

9 hours ago, ojsglove said:

That is exactly why I continue to say we have the best owner in the NFL.  I think Irsay realizes his decision to stick with Grigson, who failed to bring in players to shore up the oline to protect Andrew, caused most of the injuries that led to this whole QB mess.  I guaranty 99% percent of the other NFL owners would have demanded the money back. 

 

Irsay is a great owner, and he would let Luck have his signing bonus money (guarantees) in any event. However, it can't be overlooked about the 'timing' of Luck's retirement (placed on Reserve/Retired list) after training camp and pre season was almost complete, there were stories that any successful recovery of Luck's bonus money could possibly remove the Colts rights to Luck (which is held temporarily/permanently by the NFL while player is on Reserve/Retired list), and that if he decided to be removed from the Reserve/Retired list, his rights could possibly no longer be with Colts but him becoming a Free Agent; if he did so before week 13 (I think that was the date) of the same year. Anyway, there were possibly conflicting rules in AL's unique situation (I believe @csmopar had researched it and posted on it  awhile back). Probably was best for the Colts not to 'test' those nets and get tangled up in them.

 

By not going after the bonus money, Colts would certainly retain his rights because his contract would then toll upon removal from the Reserve/Retired list. And now that the season is over, all that is water under the bridge now anyway (except the small amortized dead cap Colts have on their books). The NFL holds his rights (probably for implementation of the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle NFL Player Retirement Plan after 1 year passes). Upon unretiring, the NFL then passes the rights on back to the Colts.

 

As nice as Colts/Irsay was here, so too was Luck, folks.  Andrew went through all of the rehab/TC/preseason period trying to get ready.  He very well could have told the medical staff he still wanted to play but his leg wasn't near ready.  After the medical team informs Ballard, that would likely trigger a trip to Injured Reserve, where Luck also gets his full base salary for the year. (which he did NOT get when he retired).  To me, Irsay and Luck took a path seemingly characteristic of both. Amicable and not messy. I felt Jim handled it great, and wish Andrew well in his next phase of life (husband/father).

 

This is what Luck suffered in 6 'playing' seasons-

 

» Torn cartilage in 2 ribs
» partially torn abdomen
» a lacerated kidney
» at least 1 concussion
» a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder
» lingering calf/ankle issue, with possible Os Trigonum

 

He just wanted to play football, not be a rehab specialist.

[Superman]

11 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Irsay allowed Luck to keep bonus money already paid.  But the team amortized the cap hit.  There's no pay going to Andrew (none, zero, zilch, nada), just a left over 6.4 million salary cap deficit on the books for the Colts team for 2020 to account for the bonus money Luck got a good while back. That Irsay allowed him to keep...  but there will be no pay going to AL in 2020.

 

 Don't believe me? Let's ask @Superman

 

11 hours ago, 1959Colts said:

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Whatever the method of payment may be...

My previous post is simply...

That I believe, because he has been graciously paid...

I am not a bit surprised, Andrew Luck has no further desire to play football.

 

He has been graciously paid. I agree with that.

 

Most of what CBFL states is true. I just want to point out that Luck was also paid a $12m roster bonus in 2019 (half in March, half in September I think), which the Colts could have argued for. They did not.

 

As of this point, the Colts are not paying Luck anything more, and have taken the L on whatever prorated bonus that they could have tried to recover from him. That's a stand-up move, but evidently it also allows them to retain his rights into perpetuity (according to certain reports; I haven't seen anything officially official that confirms this). In 2020, there's an accounting for the last portion of Luck's initial signing bonus, so the Colts have a $6.4m cap penalty. After that, the book is closed on Luck's contract, assuming he never plays again.

[CR91]

So my friend and I were discussing this and I thought it was interesting. Who is to blame for Andrew "losing his smile" as I like to call it. Grigson? Pagano? Andrew himself? Surprisingly enough he blamed Irsay. I was actually taken back for a minute, but he made some interesting points.

 

More worried about the defense

 

One of the reasons it seemed Irsay wanted Pagano was because of his 3-4 defense that plagued the colts when Peyton was the QB playing teams like the Steelers and Chargers. So instead of finding an offensive coach to help grow with Andrew, there was a revolving door of OCs for the majority of his career.

 

Refusing To Fire Grigson

 

Irsay did not seem to want to admit he made a mistake when it was already too late. The wasted money and draft picks never amounted to anything that helped Andrew. Yes the colts got to the AFC championship, but a lot of that was Luck masking a lot of the holes on a very talent deprived roster.

 

Putting too much on Andrew

 

Peyton was the measuring stick and the attention to detail, the work ethic, and the command of the franchise were the same traits Andrew needed to showcase so when Andrew got hurt, there was a lot of pressure placed on him to get back even when he wasn't healthy physically and that took a toll on Andrew mentally.

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

 

[csmopar]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

So my friend and I were discussing this and I thought it was interesting. Who is to blame for Andrew "losing his smile" as I like to call it. Grigson? Pagano? Andrew himself? Surprisingly enough he blamed Irsay. I was actually taken back for a minute, but he made some interesting points.

 

More worried about the defense

 

One of the reasons it seemed Irsay wanted Pagano was because of his 3-4 defense that plagued the colts when Peyton was the QB playing teams like the Steelers and Chargers. So instead of finding an offensive coach to help grow with Andrew, there was a revolving door of OCs for the majority of his career.

 

Refusing To Fire Grigson

 

Irsay did not seem to want to admit he made a mistake when it was already too late. The wasted money and draft picks never amounted to anything that helped Andrew. Yes the colts got to the AFC championship, but a lot of that was Luck masking a lot of the holes on a very talent deprived roster.

 

Putting too much on Andrew

 

Peyton was the measuring stick and the attention to detail, the work ethic, and the command of the franchise were the same traits Andrew needed to showcase so when Andrew got hurt, there was a lot of pressure placed on him to get back even when he wasn't healthy physically and that took a toll on Andrew mentally.

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

 

Why do people always need someone to  blame? 
 

Who cares at this point? Most likely it was a combination of all the above and more. Leave it at that. Time to move on. 

[CR91]

4 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Why do people always need someone to  blame? 
 

Who cares at this point? Most likely it was a combination of all the above and more. Leave it at that. Time to move on. 

 

I just haven't seen anyway blame Irsay and I thought it was interesting

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

It all goes to the top.  It’s hard to blame Grigson when Irsay could of demanded they address the oline. He let it go on to long. You also have to put the blame on Luck some. He was a lot like Watson. He held the ball to long and took unecessary hits. He also should of demanded they get the oline fixed. Manning never would of let that go on. Grigson and Irsay started addressing the oline with Kelly but  it was to late.

[WoolMagnet]

We heard rumblings from when he was drafted that he was “different.”  That he had other interests besides football.

  If a person earns enough in a few years to retire several times, and set their family up for a few generations, and pursue other interests that dont require the physical and mental pain, some of them will take it.  
 

  I dont blame anyone.  Its just a strange situation.  Andrew was always a little different than the “usual” franchise QB.

  His carefree attitude, even when sacked, perhaps should have been a warning sign that, to him,  this WAS just a game in the end.  I never saw the killer instinct attitude from him.  It always seemed as if he saw the “bigger picture” of his life.

[WoolMagnet]

7 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

It all goes to the top.  It’s hard to blame Grigson when Irsay could of demanded they address the oline. 

Then you have Jerry Jones.

Grigs was bringing guus in (addressing it), they just werent the right guys.  Except Kelly.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

13 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

Then you have Jerry Jones.

Grigs was bringing guus in (addressing it), they just werent the right guys.  Except Kelly.

He didn’t spend the draft capital. Grigson has no eye for talent and was clueless in the draft. It was clear it was a issue. I mean ballard fixed the oline basically in one year.

[csmopar]

42 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

I just haven't seen anyway blame Irsay and I thought it was interesting

Tons have. It’s been addressed about 4000 times since September. I know it is a struggle to move on, I’m included in that, but he’s gone. Time to let it go and move on

[WoolMagnet]

14 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

He didn’t spend the draft capital. Grigson has no eye for talent and was clueless in the draft. It was clear it was a issue. I mean ballard fixed the oline basically in one year.

Wasnt it grigs that drafted 2 or 3 C/Gs in one draft?

maybe it was Polian.

Regardless, Grigs was more interested in how good his suit looked on sidelines than the roster i think.

[csmopar]

Just now, WoolMagnet said:

Wasnt it grigs that drafted 2 or 3 C/Gs in one draft?

maybe it was Polian.

Regardless, Grigs was more interested in how good his suit looked on sidelines than the roster i think.

I don’t recall but I do remember them being very Low rounders

[LockeDown]

Polian, Dungy and Manning.

Grigson, Pagano and Luck

 Ballard, Reich and Luck 

 

which one of those don’t belong?  Irsay did let it linger so he deserves some blame. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

12 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

Wasnt it grigs that drafted 2 or 3 C/Gs in one draft?

maybe it was Polian.

Regardless, Grigs was more interested in how good his suit looked on sidelines than the roster i think.

AC was Polian. Kelly was the only Grigson draftee. The rest were low round guys. Now we have three first round picks in that line and one 2nd.

[CR91]

41 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

Wasnt it grigs that drafted 2 or 3 C/Gs in one draft?

maybe it was Polian.

Regardless, Grigs was more interested in how good his suit looked on sidelines than the roster i think.

 

Khald Holmes and Hugh Thornton

[WoolMagnet]

1 hour ago, Chloe6124 said:

AC was Polian. Kelly was the only Grigson draftee. The rest were low round guys. Now we have three first round picks in that line and one 2nd.

Mewhort (T) was a 2nd in 2014.

Thornton (3rd)  & Holmes (4th) In 2013 (we had no 2nd)

castonzo (1st) and Ijalana (2nd) in 2011

 

There are some early investments there.  But i guess we see what 3 - 1st rounders and a high 2nd (4/5 of the line) will buy you.  You do sacrifice top level talent at other positions though.

I love our line and i’m ALL for it.   However i cant help thinking of Dallas with as good or better OL, a much better QB, AND a better RB, not succeeding.  It shows just how important it is to have talent and depth across the full roster.  Its so important to have success from top to bottom in the draft.

 

[Dogg63]

On 1/10/2020 at 8:22 AM, ColtsBlueFL said:

This is what Luck suffered in 6 'playing' seasons-

 

» Torn cartilage in 2 ribs
» partially torn abdomen
» a lacerated kidney
» at least 1 concussion
» a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder
» lingering calf/ankle issue, with possible Os Trigonum

 

He just wanted to play football, not be a rehab specialist.

Oh, horse crap. I was in the Army for several years and we got paid to do what we were signed up to do. That's it. If you die, your survivors get some extra money, not MILLIONS. Luck played a GAME and got ultra rich for doing it. I am NEVER going to feel sorry for Andrew Luck. Bull fuc-ing shiznit.

I call complete CLOWN SHOES on anyone who feels otherwise. 

[Orioles22]

I wonder what Luck thinks about watching the Titans in the AFC finals when he absolutely owned them his entire career. He has to know the Colts could easily be in the same position if he was playing.

[ColtCanada]

My gut still tells me that Luck will be back but in the 2021-22 season. 

 

At the end of the day, injuries and constant rehabbing was why Andrew retired from the NFL.

 

If you really look at it, Andrew has only been out of the league for 4-6 months. It was stated during his press conference that he still had some rehabbing to do on his calf which continued into the season. So in reality, he's been out of the rehab cycle that he dreaded for roughly 3-4   months. That is not very long considering he'd been in this cycle for 3 years or so. Thats why I was not surprised when Oliver Luck stated that he has not seen any desire from Andrew to come back. He simply has not been removed from football and the injury rehab cycle long enough for him to want to come back. It is still quite fresh. Therefore, I feel once enough time has passed and he feels that he has be removed from that cycle, he will come back to the NFL. 

 

Thats one of many reasons why I think Andrew will eventually come back to the league. Others reasons include, his baby girl and family life, his comments during his press conference, Irsays actions and comments during the press conference, his interaction with current player and management. I would have elaborated the points above but did not want to write an essay lol. 

 

Cheers from Vancouver Canada!!! 

. 

[Four2itus]

On 1/9/2020 at 5:40 AM, Pelt said:

Good. Now let's move on.

God I wanted this to happen........sigh........

[NannyMcafee]

On 1/11/2020 at 5:29 PM, Chloe6124 said:

It all goes to the top.  It’s hard to blame Grigson when Irsay could of demanded they address the oline. He let it go on to long. You also have to put the blame on Luck some. He was a lot like Watson. He held the ball to long and took unecessary hits. He also should of demanded they get the oline fixed. Manning never would of let that go on. Grigson and Irsay started addressing the oline with Kelly but  it was to late.

 

I'm sorry but peyton let it go on for several years, and with his fastest release in the NFL, it made it easier on the oline. But the Colts line has arguably been bad since 2007. 

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

luck took the fans money and ran , let the team and fans who made him rich down, let us move on from this person who felt like he owed us nothing and left us at a bad time