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On 10/26/2019 at 4:18 PM, TimetobringDfence! said:

Going off on a pessimistic hunch here. Rumors are starting that Brady is setting himself up to leave New England. What if he wins superbowl and retires or leaves New England for new team? How would it shake up the football world if Luck unretired to be New Englands new QB? I as a life long colts fan would never forgive him, could you?

 

On 10/26/2019 at 4:27 PM, TimetobringDfence! said:

Im aware we have his rights if he were to come back. I just have this horrible feeling it could happen lol. Luck taking over New England and leading them to another decade of greatness. 

 

Ballard is not going to go from "The Rivalry is back on" to, here New England please have our former top 5 QB so you can dominate the NFL for the next decade again.  

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3 minutes ago, CanuckColt said:

Too bad that Andrew played on so many marginal teams, but was still able to get the Colts to a good record...and just when the team gets pretty good, he is too injured to continue.....sad.

 

I had a dream last night that TY retired and joined Andrew. They're both going to drive around in an old to Honda Accords with clown masks on, while touring book clubs across the US for a few years.

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13 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

I had a dream last night that TY retired and joined Andrew. They're both going to drive around in an old to Honda Accords with clown masks on, while touring book clubs across the US for a few years.

 

Sounds like a fever dream, did you eat a bunch of spicy food before going to bed?  haha

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9 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

nah. i'm good with spicy food. eat it almost daily. worst it does is a little noxious odor :Nuke:

 

Spicy food before bed is supposed to cause crazy dreams, and apple juice before bed is supposed to cause very vivid dreams.

 

So every night I eat a bunch of ghost peppers, then wash 'em down with a gallon of apple juice, and every night the Colts win the Super Bowl.  :sleepy: :lombardi: 

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4 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

Spicy food before bed is supposed to cause crazy dreams, and apple juice before bed is supposed to cause very vivid dreams.

 

So every night I eat a bunch of ghost peppers, then wash 'em down with a gallon of apple juice, and every night the Colts win the Super Bowl.  :sleepy: :lombardi: 

gonna haft to get some apple juice and try that.

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Just now, coltsorioles said:

If Jacoby misses multiple games, do the Colts call Andrew Luck ? Or would Luck even reach out to the Colts ? Hoyer is a statue back there.   


I new this was coming! Just thought it would take five more minutes. 
 

Dear God! 

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20 minutes ago, Orioles22 said:

He would have beat this year's Steelers...

I doubt it.  He said himself he lost his love for the game.  Hard to win that way.  If his heart isn’t in it then the Colts are probably better off without him.  Steelers just own the Colts.  Luck hasn’t and likely wouldn’t have changed that. 
 

By the way...go O’s! 

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5 minutes ago, MightyLucks said:

I’ll quote your own article..

 

”Beyond that, it’s a little murky. NFL Media (i.e., the NFL) explained on Sunday that, if Luck tries to return to the Colts before the trade deadline, he has to pass through waivers.”

 

the trade deadline has passed. If you continue reading said opinion article, it says he can return between then and the Tuesday after week 13 without going thru the waiver process....

 

the author then goes on to say the two rules contradict each other so the league would have to clarify this before hand...

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1 hour ago, Nickster said:

 

It'd be hard to snowboard in Amsterdam unless you rednecked it with a tow rope behind a car or somethng.

I didn’t say he was doing it successfully hahahaha

1 hour ago, lollygagger8 said:

This thread sucks, stop wasting everyone's time. 

No one is forcing ya to read or post in it

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11 minutes ago, Biggz21 said:

Can Andrew Luck kick field goals or PATs?

Luck reminisces enthusiastically about his days as a soccer player in Stanford's intramural rec leagues, describing himself as "a hustler with absolutely zero technical ability."

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4 hours ago, csmopar said:

I’ll quote your own article..

 

”Beyond that, it’s a little murky. NFL Media (i.e., the NFL) explained on Sunday that, if Luck tries to return to the Colts before the trade deadline, he has to pass through waivers.”

 

the trade deadline has passed. If you continue reading said opinion article, it says he can return between then and the Tuesday after week 13 without going thru the waiver process....

 

the author then goes on to say the two rules contradict each other so the league would have to clarify this before hand...

They did. He reported to camp so he would have to clear waivers. If he didn’t report, (like GRONK) he could come back. 

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5 hours ago, csmopar said:

I’ll quote your own article..

 

”Beyond that, it’s a little murky. NFL Media (i.e., the NFL) explained on Sunday that, if Luck tries to return to the Colts before the trade deadline, he has to pass through waivers.”

 

the trade deadline has passed. If you continue reading said opinion article, it says he can return between then and the Tuesday after week 13 without going thru the waiver process....

 

the author then goes on to say the two rules contradict each other so the league would have to clarify this before hand...

Do you have anything saying he can return? Curious since you’re so confident he can return without going through waivers. 

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1 hour ago, MightyLucks said:

Do you have anything saying he can return? Curious since you’re so confident he can return without going through waivers. 

"NFL Media (i.e., the NFL) explained on Sunday that, if Luck tries to return to the Colts before the trade deadline, he has to pass through waivers. That conflicts with my prior understanding of the rules, which was that a player on the reserve/retired list could emerge from retirement at any time before the Tuesday after Week 13, and that if he were released when attempting to return after the trade deadline, he’d be required to pass through waivers."

https://clutchpoints.com/colts-news-indianapolis-officially-places-andrew-luck-on-reserve-retired-list/

"Reserve/Retired– The retired list is what players are placed upon if they choose to retire rather than honor their contracts. This is more procedural than anything else. The player does not count towards the roster nor do they carry any cap charges as contracts are treated just as if the player was cut for salary cap purposes with prorated bonus money accelerating and being included as “dead money”.  Teams do maintain the rights to players on the retired list. "

https://overthecap.com/explaining-roster-designations/

Reserve/Retired List – If a player retires prior to the expiration of his contract, the team can place him on the Reserve/Retired List and retain its rights to the player under the player’s contract.  The contract is tolled, so if, for example, a player retires with 2 years remaining on his contract, and is placed on the Reserve/Retired List, then, if he chooses to “unretire”, the player’s rights are still held by the team to the extent of the remaining 2 years of the contract.

https://russellstreetreport.com/salarycap/nfl-glossary/



I think that about covers it.  

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18 hours ago, csmopar said:

"NFL Media (i.e., the NFL) explained on Sunday that, if Luck tries to return to the Colts before the trade deadline, he has to pass through waivers. That conflicts with my prior understanding of the rules, which was that a player on the reserve/retired list could emerge from retirement at any time before the Tuesday after Week 13, and that if he were released when attempting to return after the trade deadline, he’d be required to pass through waivers."

https://clutchpoints.com/colts-news-indianapolis-officially-places-andrew-luck-on-reserve-retired-list/

"Reserve/Retired– The retired list is what players are placed upon if they choose to retire rather than honor their contracts. This is more procedural than anything else. The player does not count towards the roster nor do they carry any cap charges as contracts are treated just as if the player was cut for salary cap purposes with prorated bonus money accelerating and being included as “dead money”.  Teams do maintain the rights to players on the retired list. "

https://overthecap.com/explaining-roster-designations/

Reserve/Retired List – If a player retires prior to the expiration of his contract, the team can place him on the Reserve/Retired List and retain its rights to the player under the player’s contract.  The contract is tolled, so if, for example, a player retires with 2 years remaining on his contract, and is placed on the Reserve/Retired List, then, if he chooses to “unretire”, the player’s rights are still held by the team to the extent of the remaining 2 years of the contract.

https://russellstreetreport.com/salarycap/nfl-glossary/



I think that about covers it.  

But it doesn’t hahaha. Why are NFL reporters and ESPN saying he does. 
 

really doesn’t matter because he’s not coming back but interesting there are so many conflicting reports/opinions/interpretations of the rules. 

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2 hours ago, MightyLucks said:

But it doesn’t hahaha. Why are NFL reporters and ESPN saying he does. 
 

really doesn’t matter because he’s not coming back but interesting there are so many conflicting reports/opinions/interpretations of the rules. 

So, the site isn't letting me link the full NFL rule book pdf, too large apparently. However, I think its because the rule book and one of the appendixes that deals with the salary cap and contracts contradict each other some what.  

In the main section of the rule book, the book clearly states that a player on the Reserve/Retired list that wishes to be reinstated returns to the team he retired from, which holds his right thru the remaining time on said players contract. It then goes on to say, that should that team release that player, that player would go thru waivers if they have less than 4 years, if they have more than 4 years, they become a UFA at 4pm as of the day they are released. 

However,  the appendix says that if the team chooses to go after any money paid to the player who retires AFTER June 1 of the league year, that the team waives their retaining rights and said player, upon wanting reinstatement, would have to go thru waivers prior to the Trade deadline and that AFTER the deadline and until week 13, they would NOT have to go thru waivers and the team they retired from would retain their rights.  After week 13, the player cannot be reinstated for that season and would have to wait until after the new league year starts. 

So reading those two areas, I would say that the reporters are probably only reading one part or the other. 

But, if we take both combined, I still would say Luck could come back without waiver process.  For two reasons, 1, colts let him keep that 25 million, which retains his rights. 2, its after the trade deadline.

But as you said, it is a mute point as there is little to no chance Luck unretires, at any point.

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