Start a team with seven positions

[aaron11 2,358]

1 minute ago, SouthernIndianaNDFan said:

QB- Peyton Manning 

WR- Randy Moss

WR- Antonio Brown 

WR- Julio Jones 

OT- Orlando Pace

OG- Quenton Nelson 

RB- LaDainian Tomlinson 

 

Outscore everyone. A team built for shootouts on the fasttrack inside Lucas Oil. Hope your JAG defense can make enough plays to limit opponents to under 28-31 points, because you're scoring 35 by halftime. My thinking is to either condense all of the talent on offense, or go vice versa and have it all on defense. You spread yourself too thin, then the greatness of the individuals starts to go unnoticed, whereas condensed they have a sort of compounding effect. Just my thoughts, sure would be fun to watch. 

 

this would win a lot of games, maybe super bowls 

 

i think it stretched the premise of the thread a little, but we are here to have fun right?

[bigt 128]

QB, LT, LG, C, RG, RT, RB

[OffensivelyPC 5,659]

4 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

i dont blame anyone for going that route in this thread

 

 personally i was taking this to mean long term and what i think i could maintain.  real teams still go man coverage there are different schools of thought 

I like it better myself.  But the Legion of Boom was short lived for the reasons you mention.  So you need a GM who can resupply it with draft picks regularly, which is obviously hard to do.  But this was just a fun game. Running a scheme like ours it's easier, at least comparatively, to find players that can be productive in it. 

[runthepost 816]

I’m redoing mines 

Qb Peyton

Rb CMC 

Wr Calvin Johnson 

Te  Jimmy Graham

 

Edge Mack, Miller

Luke

 

[SouthernIndianaNDFan 663]

15 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

this would win a lot of games, maybe super bowls 

 

i think it stretched the premise of the thread a little, but we are here to have fun right?

 

Yeah I thought he was saying pick All Pro guys at 7 positions? Oh well lol

[LockeDown 2,315]

QB, LT, WR, DE, DT, CB, MLB, SS

 

 

[Myles 2,663]

1 hour ago, egg said:

 

And you have not even one above average WR?  no TY (and no one like him... Not one above average TE (no Doyle or Ebron)........no Marlin Mack (he's above average).....No above average Corner backs.......No above average interior DL.......you got yourself a bad team.

A top 5 QB with a top O-line in the league would propel average RB's and WR's to good.    

I disagree.   I think I got myself a very good team.   12 wins.  

We've seen what a bad line can do to RB's and WR's.   

[ColtStrong2013 1,500]

QB,

Well rounded DE,

LT,

stud possession WR,

Lockdown CB,

DT (preferably Aaron Donald),

LB that can play all positions, can pass rush and cover sideline to sideline. 

[Barry Sears 1,130]

I haven't seen this twist on here yet:

 

QB (Lamar Jackson - duel threat to eliminate need for top RB)

LT (protect the QB)

C (strength and line calls up the middle)

WR (keeps defenses honest)

DE (pass rush and set the edge)

MLB (defensive QB)

DT (run stuffer)

 

Basically, strong up the middle on offense and defense.

[Valpo2004 3,647]

QB

Edge

LT

WR

FS

LB

CB

[John Hammonds 626]

#1 QB - You can never underestimate just how much a top flight QB can make up for weaknesses in other areas of the team (see: Andrew Luck), or how much a terrible QB can totally bring down a team that is amazing otherwise (see: Blake Bortles).

#2 Edge Rusher - You must have a dominate edge rusher that is, simply put, too much for the opposing offensive line.

#3  LT - For the same reason as the Edge Rusher above, you must be able to protect your quarterback at the most important point (see: Le'Raven Clark).

#4  WLB - If you're running the Tampa-2, then the WLB is the engine that makes the entire thing go.  Long history of examples here:  Derrick Brooks, Cato June, Darius Leonard, etc.

#5  WR1 - Yes, it is possible to win by only gaining 4 yards per play.  But if you want to insure it, you need to make Chunk Plays.  And that requires a top flight WR.

#6  Center - There's a long history of QB-C pairings in the HOF.  There's also a reason why they are there.

#7  D3T - The other main part of the Tampa-2 is the One Gap penetrating DT.  If you can get one that is impossible to handle, you create interior pressure and total disruption on their side of the line.

 

The Rest of the Team

#8  RB - This position isn't as important as it used to be.  But you need the ability to keep possession, to convert on 3rd and 1, and all the rest.

#9  TE - Having a great one of these creates matchup nightmares vs the opposing defense.

#10  FS - Don't get beat deep.  Keep everything in front.  No big plays.

#11  CB - Although having a great press CB is very important in most defenses, the best trait a Tampa-2 CB can possess is the ability to make the tackle without help.

#12  Guard - Both of them.  With a top OL across the board, you dictate the game.  Big time.  (This is why everyone questioned the Nelson pick at 6th overall.  He was worth the pick, but you normally don't pick a guard that high.)

#13  MLB - In the Tampa-2, the MLB plays back on his heals in the deep middle, not on his toes up against the line.  This downgrades the position's importance.

#14  WR2 - When you play the best defenses in the league, you have to have more than 2 options to throw to.

#15  SS - It's nice to have a thumper coming from the safety position.  But it's not the most necessary thing on the team to have.

#16  RT - Important, but there's a reason why all of the other OL positions are more important.

 

SPECIAL NOTE - Having a potent Kicker who is money from anywhere, and can make the miracle long kick to win the game is a huge thing.  Almost huge enough to put him in the Top Seven.

[HoosierHero 1]

16 hours ago, Superman said:

My choices: QB, OT, WR, DT, DE, Will, FS

I think I’d do this, but switch out the receiver for a running back just so my offense wouldn’t be as one dimensional. Tough choice though, it’s hard to pass on a pro-bowl caliber receiver. 

[GoatBeard 694]

4 hours ago, egg said:

 

I respectfully disagree. You are going nowhere with 46 replacement players, no matter how great or what positions the top seven are playing.

Right. No team has 7 top 5 players anyways.....even the Pats at their best had 3-4. 7 top 5 players would leave you with about 10 million dollars leftover to fill out the roster.

 

That's why I poured every pick into my defense, because I firmly believe any unit with only 3-4 good players on it would ensure both units are poor overall. 2 good lineman isnt enough for a good unit. 1 good receiver isnt gonna be able to beat double coverage. 1 great corner isnt gonna be able to cover everyone. 1 good DL cant create enough pressure on his own, etc.

 

 

With 7 top 5 players on one side of the ball, you atleast know you're gonna have 1 elite unit that can carry you, and an identity you can win games with.

[Trace Pyott 267]

17 hours ago, Superman said:

 

This is interesting. With Nelson, maybe the Colts score that TD against the Pats in 2003 on 4th down, and get the AFCCG at home? With AV, maybe the Colts make the kick against Pittsburgh in 2005?

Man i was at that New England game. One of the longest drives home of my entire life. 

[Lucky Colts Fan 5,476]

6 hours ago, LockeDown said:

QB, LT, WR, DE, DT, CB, MLB, SS

 

I see you sneaking in an extra.  

[LockeDown 2,315]

1 hour ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

I see you sneaking in an extra.  

Haha. I pulled a Bellichik.

[FirsTime 12]

If I would building from scratch:

 

QB - Russel Wilson

LT - Laramy Tunsil

Nickel - Kenny Moore 

DE - Khalil Mack

DE (one on each side if has to be different position DT) - Myles Garrett/Aaron Donald

FS - Kevin Byard

C - Ryan Kelly

[coltsva 1,412]

12 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

1) Big Q Nelson 

2) Big Q clone 

3) Big Q twin 

4) Big Q copy 

5) Big Q stunt double 

6) Big Q triplet 

7) Big Q's fumanchu (still stronger than most players) 

 

I think if you had 7 Big Q's on your team, you could pretty much impose your will to a 16-0 season. 

 

That's Quite a list you have there. Who's your Qb?

[lollygagger8 10,320]

6 hours ago, coltsva said:

That's Quite a list you have there. Who's your Qb?

 

Well, Big Q of course. 

 

QB runs/sneaks every play. Who's going to stop him? 

[Rally5 624]

QB, RT, C, LT, DT, WLB, DE  I think...

[DougDew 3,392]

And here's a twist.  I don't think you'd want, or could, devote a first round draft pick for each of those positions.  I don't think you could have all-pros at each position.

 

Theoretically, it would take seven years to build your team.  The first two guys you drafted would have to be re-signed, franchised, etc.  Not an insurmountable problem, but you might have to devote a couple of second round picks to get your desired 7 players.

 

You could sign veteran FA coming off of their rookie contracts, but that can also create problems.

[buccolts 3,767]

30 minutes ago, DougDew said:

And here's a twist.  I don't think you'd want, or could, devote a first round draft pick for each of those positions.  I don't think you could have all-pros at each position.

 

Theoretically, it would take seven years to build your team.  The first two guys you drafted would have to be re-signed, franchised, etc.  Not an insurmountable problem, but you might have to devote a couple of second round picks to get your desired 7 players.

 

You could sign veteran FA coming off of their rookie contracts, but that can also create problems.

 

I think the premise is more like.....pretend you're awarded a new franchise, and the pool of protected players is small, leaving a lot of top notch players available. Or, maybe, everyone's a free agent, and you're picking teams in the playground.

[DougDew 3,392]

7 minutes ago, buccolts said:

 

I think the premise is more like.....pretend you're awarded a new franchise, and the pool of protected players is small, leaving a lot of top notch players available. Or, maybe, everyone's a free agent, and you're picking teams in the playground.

Ok.  I can see that. 

 

There were a few comments that talked about putting the best players in the NFL in certain positions all on one team.  I read Superman's premise being more about positions on the team where you want top players, not really about which NFL players you want at those positions.  

[Myles 2,663]

16 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I read Superman's premise being more about positions on the team where you want top players, not really about which NFL players you want at those positions.  

That is how I read it.

You could have a top 5 player at 7 positions.   A top 5 is potentially the best player in the league.   

I'll stick with QB, OG, OT, C, DE, LB, S.  

[buccolts 3,767]

11 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Ok.  I can see that. 

 

There were a few comments that talked about putting the best players in the NFL in certain positions all on one team.  I read Superman's premise being more about positions on the team where you want top players, not really about which NFL players you want at those positions.  

 

I agree. It wasn't meant to name names, just what's your priority positions.

You haven't made the picks yet. But, some started naming names, and even including historic names. 

 

I think your original point is important to the process, though.

How the rest of the roster is being filled is important, AND, how that roster looks after this practice one thing, but what it allows you to do afterwards is another. IE, I don't think having an all pro QB is important. I'd rather give the average QB protection, and a couple of weapons, and let them become a really good QB. Ala, Brady, and others.

[throwing BBZ 2,417]

On 10/14/2019 at 10:43 PM, CurBeatElite said:

QB, OT, DT, DE, CB, WR, OT

 

 

 

 QB, OT, OT, DT, DE, CB, Slot

[DougDew 3,392]

49 minutes ago, buccolts said:

 

I agree. It wasn't meant to name names, just what's your priority positions.

You haven't made the picks yet. But, some started naming names, and even including historic names. 

 

I think your original point is important to the process, though.

How the rest of the roster is being filled is important, AND, how that roster looks after this practice one thing, but what it allows you to do afterwards is another. IE, I don't think having an all pro QB is important. I'd rather give the average QB protection, and a couple of weapons, and let them become a really good QB. Ala, Brady, and others.

Yeah, I think if you want to build your team on a 3 year plan, its going to have to rely upon either bringing a few high priced FA to your team OR hoping that second round picks are going to outplay their slot, like Leonard (even he was a pretty high second rounder, though).

 

Honing it further, I think the three most important spots are QB, LT, and 3T.  All of them require basically a top 20 pick to really be sure you're getting what you need, and provided they don't bust.  That's three years of drafting right there.

 

I think Geno Atkins was a third rounder.  Pretty rare....IOW...pretty lucky for the Bengals.

[Smoke317 1,112]

QB DE LT WR DT CB FS

 

Strictly Indy Colts for this season:  Manning Freeney Harrison Nelson James Castonzo Leonard

 

Frank would definitely get us a Lombardi if we had that 7 in their prime as our core.  Could easily switch Leonard for a Mathis or Wayne or Hilton or Saturday or Sanders first out of them all if he could stay healthy. 

 

 

[Chloe6124 5,840]

Three things. A quarterback, guys that protect the QB, and guys that can get after the opposing teams QB.  Really sad to lose Turay because he was on his way to becoming one of the best in the league.

[Superman 35,774]

 

5 hours ago, DougDew said:

And here's a twist.  I don't think you'd want, or could, devote a first round draft pick for each of those positions.  I don't think you could have all-pros at each position.

 

Theoretically, it would take seven years to build your team.  The first two guys you drafted would have to be re-signed, franchised, etc.  Not an insurmountable problem, but you might have to devote a couple of second round picks to get your desired 7 players.

 

You could sign veteran FA coming off of their rookie contracts, but that can also create problems.

 

We have an All Pro on our roster that was picked in the second round. Not counting specialists, there were nine All Pros last year that were drafted outside of the first round. So even if you're building through the draft, in theory, it's possible. Not likely, though.

[Superman 35,774]

There's some clear consensus here. The QB is important (I think I only saw one serious list that didn't include QB), OL is important, pass rushers are important, almost universally.

 

There's also consensus that RB wouldn't be at the top of the list for most, almost all.

 

So I think it's a fair conclusion to say most think you need a good QB, good OL and good pass rusher.

 

Some variance on pass catchers. I counted 26 submissions that included either a WR or TE (mostly WRs, but some had both). Others would try to make due with average-ish skill players on offense, valuing OL instead. On defense, some value coverage, others value play up front, that seemed to be a healthy mix. That might be different if we knew exactly what the defense wants to be... 

 

More varied are the ideas about skill players, what to do behind and outside of the pass rushers, and whether the best players would be weighted toward defense or offense.  I counted 42 legit submissions so far -- listed 7 players, and appeared to be serious -- and 22 picked at least four offensive players, while the other 20 picked at least four defensive players. I'm not sure that you can really show a preference when only picking seven positions, although some went very heavy on either side. But there's obviously a desire for balance, more than being dominant on just one side of the ball.

 

I'm not too surprised by the way this has gone, but I think it's very interesting.

[braveheartcolt 6,077]

4 hours ago, buccolts said:

 

I agree. It wasn't meant to name names, just what's your priority positions.

You haven't made the picks yet. But, some started naming names, and even including historic names. 

 

I think your original point is important to the process, though.

How the rest of the roster is being filled is important, AND, how that roster looks after this practice one thing, but what it allows you to do afterwards is another. IE, I don't think having an all pro QB is important. I'd rather give the average QB protection, and a couple of weapons, and let them become a really good QB. Ala, Brady, and others.

I started the name thing (Colts players only), very early in the thread. The idea behind it was to show that many combinations could work if you had the right guys, and to show what might have been in the Peyton years if we had that luxury. Supes jumped on that premis pdq and made a few very interesting observations.

 

My bad if it threw the thread off kilter.

[Lucky Colts Fan 5,476]

9 minutes ago, Superman said:

I'm not too surprised by the way this has gone, but I think it's very interesting.

 

I loved this.  You should do more of these.

 

Like if you want an elite offense, outside of QB, what 3 positions would you target?

 

Or if you want an elite defense, outside of edge pass-rusher, what 3 positions do you target?

[DougDew 3,392]

10 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

I loved this.  You should do more of these.

 

Like if you want an elite offense, outside of QB, what 3 positions would you target?

 

Or if you want an elite defense, outside of edge pass-rusher, what 3 positions do you target?

Offense:  LT, C, and WR.  C because that's an interior position who can spread his talent to both sides if needed. 

 

If there was an exceptional TE, then I think he would be more impactful than an exceptional WR.

 

Defense:  3T, SS, ILB.  I see both the 3T and the SS as having to be equally good against the run and the pass.  Having exceptional talent at those positions really helps a D, IMO.  ILB....or a WILL...simply tackles everything, running game and short passing game.  A CB could be very important in our old 34.  Vontae was a shut down corner who also was able to peel off and support the run game very well.  I see other positions on defense mainly used to impact either the run game or the passing game, but not both games so much as these other positions.

[buccolts 3,767]

32 minutes ago, braveheartcolt said:

I started the name thing (Colts players only), very early in the thread. The idea behind it was to show that many combinations could work if you had the right guys, and to show what might have been in the Peyton years if we had that luxury. Supes jumped on that premis pdq and made a few very interesting observations.

 

My bad if it threw the thread off kilter.

And I thought that's why you did it, as that's the effect it had on me, but it was followed by 'let's play Madden' type scenarios. 

 

I was waiting for a Bears fan to chime in with Ditka playing every position.

[Lucky Colts Fan 5,476]

2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Offense:  LT, C, and WR.  C because that's an interior position who can spread his talent to both sides if needed. 

 

If there was an exceptional TE, than I think he would be more impactful than an exceptional WR.

 

Defense:  3T, SS, ILB.  I see both the 3T and the SS as having to be equally good against the run and the pass.  Having exceptional talent at those positions really helps a D, IMO.  ILB....or a WILL...simply tackles everything, running game and short passing game.  A CB could be very important in our old 34.  Vontae was a shut down corner who also was able to peel off and support the run game very well.  I see other positions on defense mainly used to impact either the run game or the passing game, but not both so much as these other positions.

 

  It's like you read my mind!

 

Blindside protection, do-everything center, and do-everything pass-catcher, giving the QB time and freedom to read and exploit the defense.

 

Interior pass-rush, do-everything LB, and do-everything SS, making the defense really strong throughout the middle of the field.