Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Sign in to follow this  
Lucky Colts Fan

All In On DLine

Recommended Posts

I know I'm getting ahead of myself here looking at the offseason when we're only six weeks into this season, but I wanted to talk about improving the DLine.  I know a lot of people have been talking about QB and WR as big needs, and I get it, but I want a team that can go into Foxborough and win in January.  AKA a team that can run the damn ball and play some damn defense.

 

Have you guys been paying attention to that 49ers DLine?  DeForest Buckner, Arik Armstead, Dee Ford, Nick Bosa, Solomon Thomas... that unit is big, physical, and deep.  That's what I want.  Fearsome Foursome.  Purple People Eaters.  Steel Curtain.

 

A great front-four will really make this defense work, and we can improve all across that front four.  You listening Ballard?  You said you were gonna build the trenches.  Build the Wall!  And make Irsay pay for it!  :rawr:

  • Like 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good ones in the draft. 

 

1T's:  Darrick Brown, Rashard Lawrence, Neville Gallimore, Darrion Daniels, Marvin Wilson.  

 

3T's:  Raekwon Davis, Javon Kinlaw, Justin Madabuike.   Brown and Lawrence can play 3T as well

 

Edge: Around 14 of them 

 

Assuming we will be picking in the 20's plus the Redskins pick, I wouldn't mind these 5 in the 1st 4 rounds if we want to go all out on DL.  Never happen, but it would be cool.  Keep Turay, Houston, and Autry for sure and add these 5.

 

1st:                                 Javon Kinlaw    -     3T

2nd (from Redkins)    Curtis Weaver  -      Edge

2nd                                Rashard Lawrence (1T and 3T)

3rd                                 Justin Madubuike - 3T      

4th                                  Neville Gallimore or Marvin Wilson (1T)

 

Edge Rushers - Houston, Turay, Weaver

3T's                      Autry, Kinlaw, Lawrence, Madubuike

1T                        Gallimore or Wilson and Lawrence could play 1T as well.                                        

 

 

  • Thanks 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I know he was only a bandaid fix to this defense but how does Margus Hunt get neutralized so easily? He’s a giant of a man

  • Like 2
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

I know I'm getting ahead of myself here looking at the offseason when we're only six weeks into this season, but I wanted to talk about improving the DLine.  I know a lot of people have been talking about QB and WR as big needs, and I get it, but I want a team that can go into Foxborough and win in January.  AKA a team that can run the damn ball and play some damn defense.

 

Have you guys been paying attention to that 49ers DLine?  DeForest Buckner, Arik Armstead, Dee Ford, Nick Bosa, Solomon Thomas... that unit is big, physical, and deep.  That's what I want.  Fearsome Foursome.  Purple People Eaters.  Steel Curtain.

 

A great front-four will really make this defense work, and we can improve all across that front four.  You listening Ballard?  You said you were gonna build the trenches.  Build the Wall!  And make Irsay pay for it!  :rawr:

 

31 minutes ago, bigt said:

Good ones in the draft. 

 

1T's:  Darrick Brown, Rashard Lawrence, Neville Gallimore, Darrion Daniels, Marvin Wilson.  

 

3T's:  Raekwon Davis, Javon Kinlaw, Justin Madabuike.   Brown and Lawrence can play 3T as well

 

Edge: Around 14 of them 

 

Assuming we will be picking in the 20's plus the Redskins pick, I wouldn't mind these 5 in the 1st 4 rounds if we want to go all out on DL.  Never happen, but it would be cool.  Keep Turay, Houston, and Autry for sure and add these 5.

 

1st:                                 Javon Kinlaw    -     3T

2nd (from Redkins)    Curtis Weaver  -      Edge

2nd                                Rashard Lawrence (1T and 3T)

3rd                                 Justin Madubuike - 3T      

4th                                  Neville Gallimore or Marvin Wilson (1T)

 

Edge Rushers - Houston, Turay, Weaver

3T's                      Autry, Kinlaw, Lawrence, Madubuike

1T                        Gallimore or Wilson and Lawrence could play 1T as well.                                        

 

 

 

Yeah, several solid guys that should be available for the Colts in the 1st, if that's the route they end up going. Personally, I'd be thrilled with Derrick Brown or Javon Kinlaw. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, colt18 said:

I know he was only a bandaid fix to this defense but how does Margus Hunt get neutralized so easily? He’s a giant of a man

 

He spent four years as a JAG with Cincy, and while he had a few good games for us, he was never expected to be a difference maker. Moving him to NT last year was a good change, but we can do a lot better than him in the middle. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

He spent four years as a JAG with Cincy, and while he had a few good games for us, he was never expected to be a difference maker. Moving him to NT last year was a good change, but we can do a lot better than him in the middle. 

 

 

Good thought. Flash in the pan describes Hunt pretty well.  Probably isn't on roster next year and there is no cap hit if he's not. Typical Ballard contract for marginal player.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
24 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

He spent four years as a JAG with Cincy, and while he had a few good games for us, he was never expected to be a difference maker. Moving him to NT last year was a good change, but we can do a lot better than him in the middle. 

Is it his technique? Is he just not strong enough to take on NFL lineman? 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think the 49ers got that dline by spending a lot of capital over the years to achieve it.  They may have gotten some cast offs at relatively cheap prices at the time, but all of those names seem like they were expensive in terms of draft picks or FA cap space at some point.

 

We need at least one  DT.   

 

I think Sheard makes a difference, but he's not getting any younger and will have to also be replaced just for us to tread water.  Lewis may be the current younger player best suited to replacing him when the time comes, but we may have to reload again to get a DE/DT hybrid/edge setter if Lewis doesn't get more PT.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Forgot about Lewis.  Curtis Weaver is 6'3" weighing in at 266 lbs.  Good edge setter and has some pass rushing moves.  I was hoping we would get him to replace Sheard.

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
59 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I think the 49ers got that dline by spending a lot of capital over the years to achieve it.  They may have gotten some cast offs at relatively cheap prices at the time, but all of those names seem like they were expensive in terms of draft picks or FA cap space at some point.

 

Thats the key right there. 4 of their D linemen are 1st round picks (3 from the 49ers and 1 from the Chiefs). 

 

In my mind the 49ers D Line = the Colts O Line. You get what you pay for.

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Mitch Connors said:

 

Thats the key right there. 4 of their D linemen are 1st round picks (3 from the 49ers and 1 from the Chiefs). 

 

In my mind the 49ers D Line = the Colts O Line. You get what you pay for.

 

Actually 5... Buckner, Armstead, Bosa, Thomas, and now Ford

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

 

Thats the key right there. 4 of their D linemen are 1st round picks (3 from the 49ers and 1 from the Chiefs). 

 

In my mind the 49ers D Line = the Colts O Line. You get what you pay for.

 

That would be a great match up to see

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
57 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

 

That would be a great match up to see

i think they’d win in pass rush but we’d blow them off the los running 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, colt18 said:

Is it his technique? Is he just not strong enough to take on NFL lineman? 

 

He was a huge man and standout athlete who started playing football in his 20s. He was 26 when he got drafted, so having a low ceiling is part of it, I think. 

 

But he's also 6'8", and was originally projected as a DE. He's not good enough on the edge to rush the passer, but he's not a super powerful DL either, so moving him inside only worked because he had some ability to 1-gap and be disruptive. But with his height, it's hard to maintain leverage, and still penetrate, so his effectiveness inside is also limited.

 

Long story short, he's a tweener who's probably at his best in sub packages, but he's not gonna be anything more than that. And if he's one of your four best DL, you probably need to get better.

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

Actually 5... Buckner, Armstead, Bosa, Thomas, and now Ford

Helps when you're constantly picking in the top 5 most of the last 5+ years.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, bigt said:

Forgot about Lewis.  Curtis Weaver is 6'3" weighing in at 266 lbs.  Good edge setter and has some pass rushing moves.  I was hoping we would get him to replace Sheard.

 

 

I really like Curtis Weaver from Boise State. If he could be had late round 2 or so I'd be all for getting him to take the place of Sheard long term. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

He was a huge man and standout athlete who started playing football in his 20s. He was 26 when he got drafted, so having a low ceiling is part of it, I think. 

 

But he's also 6'8", and was originally projected as a DE. He's not good enough on the edge to rush the passer, but he's not a super powerful DL either, so moving him inside only worked because he had some ability to 1-gap and be disruptive. But with his height, it's hard to maintain leverage, and still penetrate, so his effectiveness inside is also limited.

 

Long story short, he's a tweener who's probably at his best in sub packages, but he's not gonna be anything more than that. And if he's one of your four best DL, you probably need to get better.

Ah, gotcha.

 

I liked Jihad Ward a lot, but it seems as if his ceiling was limited too. I have faith that Ballard will improve the DL, I felt as if we had some potential with the players we have. They just aren’t panning out. Would you care to summarize your thoughts about our current DTs?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, colt18 said:

Ah, gotcha.

 

I liked Jihad Ward a lot, but it seems as if his ceiling was limited too. I have faith that Ballard will improve the DL, I felt as if we had some potential with the players we have. They just aren’t panning out. Would you care to summarize your thoughts about our current DTs?

 

They've just added some size over the last couple weeks, with Coley and now Davis, to go along with Grover Stewart. Other than that, there are a few undersized guys who can shoot gaps, but also will get blown off the ball in the run game if they don't win at the snap. I don't mind the approach, but I'm not sure our guys are good enough yet to make it work every week. And it seems like the staff wanted some extra size, also. 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah, like others have noted, the 49ers DL is filled with mostly 1st rounders and a couple top 10 picks sprinkled in. I kinda doubt we'll be able to obtain that level of talent/depth along the DL, but yeah, we definitely need to keep adding to it. Especially considering whatever happens with guys like Sheard, Hunt, and Houston over the next couple years.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The 49ers are tough on defense because their schemes are working. Yes it takes players but without a plan you have nothing but players..... without a plan. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, colt18 said:

I know he was only a bandaid fix to this defense but how does Margus Hunt get neutralized so easily? He’s a giant of a man

 

It seems like he had a much better year last year.  I don't know if he's lost weight, if other teams just have more film on him, or what exactly is going on -- it may be that he had a slightly better supporting cast last year (maybe a healthy Sheard and some more time with Houston will help Hunt improve over the year -- but I don't really know what exactly is going on with him... maybe it's just he wasn't that good to begin w/ and our D was so bad that he looked like an improvement last year and hasn't really progressed much this year?).  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, colt18 said:

I know he was only a bandaid fix to this defense but how does Margus Hunt get neutralized so easily? He’s a giant of a man

 

My guess would be leverage.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Popular Now

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I hear what you're saying, and I don't disagree.  I'm reacting to the message Ballard's recent actions in particular are sending.  I'm not saying I agree or even like it very much
    • This team  is fading fast in close games, now they have bank an inconsistent kicker to win close games. Game, set, match.  Top five pick for sure.
    • Theres probably some truth in that, and that worries me more than anything.   Folding up camp at the halfway point, with a winning record, in a winnable division is contrary to what we were led to believe this organization is about.   If what you suggest is true the "rivalry is not back on".  The idea that theres no quit in this team, top to bottom character matters,  that lockerroom culture matters and must be protected, that they prove their way through adversity,  and "1,2,3 family" simply wouldnt be true.  The culture they've said they're building becomes the palest illusion.   If what you suggest is true the colts are tanking worse than the dolphins, and wont be able to evaluate effectively because they aren't running an organization that believes in it's own professed culture.   If they're just playing out the string it means they've decided to evaluate players in a losing environment not a winning one.  They wont see the best of anyone under those circumstances.     Not saying you're wrong but if they're at that point already, under these circumstances.......irsay may as well just fire everyone and move it london.  Beckham can kick for us, hes close to 50 right?
    • The bottom line is they think losing him would be a bigger detriment in the locker room then if they just let him play it out. I am almost willing to bet they have talked to teams leaders to gauge if there is any back lash going on with AV. From the way it sounds so far the players are blaming how they are playing more then they are blaming themselves.
    • that's exactly what we should not be doing.   have you ever heard the phrase "perfect is the enemy of good?"  Well until the perfect quarterback comes around I'm perfectly satisfied with the good one we already have.   And I really think that squandering the draft assets to chase an ephemeral perfect Qb will hamstring us in other areas.   The microscope some of you guys hold Brissett under is abolutely ridiculous, expecting him to do things that maybe 4 QB in the entire league are actually capable of or you dismiss him as "average" or "a career backup."  It's honestly pathetic at this point.   Exactly 0 of the QBs that won Superbowls in the last 15 years were guys drafted to be the perfect QB.  15 of those 15 teams had a QB with flaws -- even Manning had his share of flaws by the time he won one, with his age mounting and his health starting to deteriorate.   We wasted a lot of time in the Manning era chasing Superbowls with a QB heavy team and living in denial about how bad certain areas of the team were, especially on D, because Manning bailed it out.  Cost us over and over again against the Patriots until 06 when we finally managed to eke one out against them.   Then we draft Luck and repeat those same mistakes until we break Luck down and wear him out trying to cover for all the flaws we refuse to admit are there until he retires.   There IS a reason our internet nickname is "the Glue Factory."  We are not kind to our horses at times, and overoptimistically expect too much of key producers while providing too little support.  And our solution to any problem, especially at QB, is to throw it away and draft another one.  The whole league is bad about this but we're among the worst.   Just once I'd like to see the fans of this franchise admit that there's more to winning football games than having a QB and that the solution to all team problems is not to throw the QB into the woodchipper and draft another one.    It's infuriating to be the fan of the second worst team in the league when it comes to this attitude (second only to the Jets) and watch it unfold in realtime again and again.  And they DON'T learn, and they will NEVER learn unless they're called out, and probably not even then.
  • Members

×
×
  • Create New...