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By NewColtsFan · Posted
I’ve now seen this other post if yours and thought I’d share some thoughts. If someone wanted to claim that Godman is better than Q or better than Leonard, I think that’s a debate you can have. I personally wouldn’t be on that side, but you could have the debate. But once you made it Godwin better than Leonard AND Q, I think the debate was over before it started. I think you’re giving too deep of a discount to the WILL and the LG, and giving too much value to WR. There’s only one Quenton Nelson. There’s one of a small handful of Leonard’s, maybe 5? But aren’t there dozens of very good receivers all over the NFL? Dozens. And if there are, doesn’t that pretty much end the debate we're having? That’s how this strikes me. -
It doesn't matter what I think and my post was not about what I think. It was about what PFF's numbers likely are saying. You are doing the same thing w87r is doing with the raw numbers. They don't tell you the story of how good/valuable the player has been in PFF's system. Their grades and WAR derived from the grades should tell you whether he's more or less valuable. If you asked me whether I would trade DL+Q for Godwin my answer would be HELL NO. Now if you ask if I would trade one of them for Godwin... that might be worth a discussion. -
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By AwesomeAustin · Posted
I don’t understand why you are being so combative but can you please stop? We have differing opinions which is ok, I respect yours but not the way you are going about it. Your jabs are not wanted, needed or appropriate. -
It means it correlates better to winning/losing. Good players to winning, bad players to losing. Irrelevant. Also, those are surface level stats, they don't tell you whether a player played well or bad. It's obvious that you it's harder to find all pro guard than a Godwin type receiver. There are only 4 guards every year with that accomplishment and at least about 10WRs with Godwin's season. This is NOT what valuable mean. It means what Godwin is giving you is more valuable for winning than what Nelson gives you. They are not my graphs, they are PFF graphs. I'm not sure Q+DL combined are less valuable in their metric than Godwin, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are. Each of them individually I'm almost certain is less valuable in their metric than Godwin. I mean... it either is true or it's not. I made the qualifier of "probably" simply because I don't have the exact numbers, but if I had to guess in their metric Godwin is quite a bit more valuable than Q and DL individually and very possibly more valuable than them combined.
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