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 Adam is the GOAT.  Unfortunately he is not a very good kicker right now and will most likely cost the Colts a few more games before they get the good sense to get rid of him or let the man retire with dignity.  This has the makings of a season where every win will count to make the playoffs and misplaced loyalties to an over the hill great could be the difference between making or missing the playoffs. 

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8 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

If he looks bad this coming Sunday they may have to do something then. Kicking badly in a dome would be a bad sign. Father time does catch everyone.

I honestly don't think "dome impact" has anything to do with his problems. He sliced the heck out of a few. Father Time is a beeeacth.

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48 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

A lot of people do overreact after someone has a bad game or 2. The same people ripping AV will be the same people praising him next Monday if he kicks a game winning 50 yard FG as time expires. 

 

Well, obviously... We praise successful field goals not failed extra points.

 

Those people are called fans who want their team to win games. Vinny isn't helping us do that right now unfortunately. 

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11 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Yup, and let him later sign a 1 day deal with Kraft and retire a Patriot. Nice.

 

No Ring of Honor for him at L.O.S.  right?

 

Wow. Overreact much?

 

First, the Pats will do that regardless I think.

Second, Vinny has the worst kick rate in the NFL. Nobody will sign him. 

Third, what does any of this have to with the ring of honor? 

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Adam can't come out to play today. His kicking leg isn't feeling good. He'll be better soon.

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11 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Yup, and let him later sign a 1 day deal with Kraft and retire a Patriot. Nice.

 

No Ring of Honor for him at L.O.S.  right?

Vinatieri loves Indiana. He's not going to sign a 1 day deal and retire a Patriot.

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1 hour ago, Mitch Connors said:

 

Wow. Overreact much?

 

To demonstrate knee jerk reactions, just like those of fans wanting to kick him to the curb even before finding a suitable replacement.

 

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First, the Pats will do that regardless I think.

 

Vinny has been a Colt much longer than a Patriot (BTW, I do not)

 

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Second, Vinny has the worst kick rate in the NFL. Nobody will sign him. 

 

I’m not worried someone signing him once released. But how he was released from the Colts is a concern of mine.  

 

I’m glad our fans aren’t the GM or we’d probably be like the Jets this year.  Spend 122 million dollars in guaranteed money on free agents and still achieve relative mediocrity.

 

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Third, what does any of this have to with the ring of honor? 

 

Once cut his career is essentially over.  So those who don’t mind punting him to the curb don’t care if he retires a Patriot (which I do not believe happens), but yet still want him in the Colts ring of honor? Just asking as maybe I have assumed incorrectly?

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1 hour ago, coltsva said:

Vinatieri loves Indiana. He's not going to sign a 1 day deal and retire a Patriot.

 

Agreed..

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9 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I don't know how many years ago exactly this was created,  but I'd guess 8-10 years ago,  someone came up with the expression "Over Reaction Monday" for the NFL regular season.   And it stuck.

 

Every Monday,  NFL fans make fools of themselves as they demonstrate how little they know about football and even their favorite team.     Total fools.

 

Which leads us today.   A Monday.   And we won.   And yet,  here's a dreadful thread,  one of the worst I've ever seen here,  filled with nonsense.

 

Boo Adam Vinitiari?     There's a stroke of genius!   How did Colts Nation look the last time we booed one of our hero's off the field for the last time?    And you want to do that again?     Did we learn.....    nothing?

 

Heads are going to roll over this?    Dear God....

 

Adam should stop being so selfish?     This stuff hurts my eyes to try and read it.

 

There's much more.     Fortunately,  about a half-dozen really good posters tried to talk sense into the crowd.   They tried to herd cats.    A thankless task here.

 

For a while, it played out as if posters were in serious competition to come up with the silliest posts humanly possible.    Plenty of competition for top honors!

 

I've said this every year I've been here....   posters value opinion over facts.   Opinion over good information.     Even the craziness of a month ago didn't slow things down.    At the time I'm writing this,   this thread is 16 pages long.    No shortage of opinions here.    Just a shortage of wisdom, common sense,  and the ability not to get carried away so easily.

 

This won't be a popular post......    but there it is....      what a mess here....

 

I think you’re overreacting to overreactions.

You overreacter

:nono:

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13 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

Once cut his career is essentially over.  So those who don’t mind punting him to the curb don’t care if he retires a Patriot (which I do not believe happens), but yet still want him in the Colts ring of honor? Just asking as maybe I have assumed incorrectly?

 

My mistake, I misread your point about the Pats. You clearly said "retire as a Pat" but in my head I read "be in their Ring of Honor" (assuming they do something similar). I dont think the Pats will 1 day contract him but I do think they will honor him when he retires. I believe he will wind up in 2 Ring of Honor situations - Colts and Pats. 

 

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Now that the front office and coaching staff have put their full support behind AV, then I really hope that takes some pressure off of him and he'll go out and have a great game this Sunday.

 

If anyone can get out of this funk he's in, it's Adam.

 

Imagine what a great story and tribute to his greatness this will be when he overcomes the issues he's dealing with and has a successful season.  Then, he can retire at the end of the year with his head held high and it will also boost team moral even more when they see that the front office and coaching staff, and ownership will always have their back.

 

I'm looking forward to AV righting the ship and winning us a couple of games this season.

 

As I heard mentioned on 1070 this morning...if this doesn't work, then it's on the front office and staff now for deciding to keep him.  

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If AV misses one single kick, at home, he should be cut during the game. Fans pay way too much $$ to watch a professional kicker miss kicks at home. 

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1 hour ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

To demonstrate knee jerk reactions, just like those of fans wanting to kick him to the curb even before finding a suitable replacement.

 

 

 

 

I don't think anyone wants that.   Wanting to bring in possible replacements is another thing.   

 

Having loyalty to a player who isn't playing well happens but usually not with winning results.   Manning on the Giants is a good example.  Heck, they fired a head coach for wanting to bench him.   

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1 hour ago, Pacergeek said:

If AV misses one single kick, at home, he should be cut during the game. Fans pay way too much $$ to watch a professional kicker miss kicks at home. 

Hey I got a great idea, why don’t you just save your $$ and stay home??  I seriously doubt you will be missed at the game.

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21 hours ago, csmopar said:

Not saying we should or shouldnt, BUT who do you propose we sign at this point in the season?

There has to be somebody out there that can at the very least make an extra point and a 29 yard field goal.

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13 hours ago, ojsglove said:

LOL,  Well I would tell you but you would somehow misread it as a promise.  You're funny that way.

 

“When the news comes this week” and “keep waiting, it will come” are pretty strong indicators that you expect something to happen. Just saying. 

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2 hours ago, Pacergeek said:

If AV misses one single kick, at home, he should be cut during the game. Fans pay way too much $$ to watch a professional kicker miss kicks at home. 

 

And the nonsense keeps coming. Post of the year...

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15 minutes ago, Franklin County said:

 

And the nonsense keeps coming. Post of the year...

That was over the top, but if Adam has another game like the first 2, we need to part ways.

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2 hours ago, Pacergeek said:

If AV misses one single kick, at home, he should be cut during the game. Fans pay way too much $$ to watch a professional kicker miss kicks at home. 

Another terrible take by you

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A couple of games, I am willing to give AV but if he cannot make 75% of the FGs and 80% of the PATs, anything less would not be acceptable in the current NFL to justify what we are paying him, which is like a Top 10 kicker. Post #666 :omg:

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I love how the media totally made up the retirement angle...'safe to say he's retiring' or 'that's what I've heard' I read in a few of those tweets by some of the NFL 'insiders'.. Lol

 

Straight up liars.

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3 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

I’m glad our fans aren’t the GM or we’d probably be like the Jets this year.  Spend 122 million dollars in guaranteed money on free agents and still achieve relative mediocrity.

Yeah I think Luck retiring has mentally damaged our fanbase a little.

 

They would have cut TY and made that unemployed WR Hogan the #1 alongside high character guys like Antonio Brown on the other side with Bell toting the rock with his 60ypg average so far. Forgot to add Kelly as the starter.

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4 hours ago, LuckyHorseShoe§ said:

I think you’re overreacting to overreactions.

You overreacter

:nono:

 

Yeah.....

 

People who make fools of themselves tend not to like being told they're making fools of themselves. 

 

I've been here a long time....      not my first rodeo....

 

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4 hours ago, Mitch Connors said:

 

My mistake, I misread your point about the Pats. You clearly said "retire as a Pat" but in my head I read "be in their Ring of Honor" (assuming they do something similar). I dont think the Pats will 1 day contract him but I do think they will honor him when he retires. I believe he will wind up in 2 Ring of Honor situations - Colts and Pats. 

 

 

agree, that may very well happen.  And he deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, of one that does deserve 2 ring of honor selections.  The Colts prove they will do just that.

 

4 hours ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

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3 hours ago, Myles said:

I don't think anyone wants that.   Wanting to bring in possible replacements is another thing.   

 

They may work some people out, in time.  I'll bet every agent of a kicker has been ringing Ballard's phone into overheat mode.

 

3 hours ago, Myles said:

Having loyalty to a player who isn't playing well happens but usually not with winning results.   Manning on the Giants is a good example.  Heck, they fired a head coach for wanting to bench him.   

 

There will come a time.  The first time (benching) around for Eli, a coach did get it. Some of it for 'HOW' they did it.

 

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/Giants-Mara-Mistakes-made-in-Eli-s-benching_163124936/

 

But now its long past and round 2 for Eli with a #6 overall pick in place.  They likely told Manning it was his team unless he could not motivate the guys to victory.  He didn't so in comes the future, Daniel Jones.  Colts need their 'Daniel Jones' in place.

 

1 hour ago, jameszeigler834 said:

There has to be somebody out there that can at the very least make an extra point and a 29 yard field goal.

 

I just watched Gostkowski of the Patriots miss a Field Goal and at least 2 extra point kicks in the Dolphin game.

 

https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2019/09/stephen-gostkowski-struggles-new-england-patriots-kicker-missed-field-goal-two-extra-points-in-sundays-win.html

 

Quite a few teams have (at least some) kicking issues, as did a few teams last year as well.  Not long ago, the Vikings traded a 5th round draft pick for one off the Ravens squad, and ended up cutting him weeks later.  (Kaare Vedvik)

 

 

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I am all for a positive mindset and standing behind your people, but are they kidding themselves? It is not a rhetorical question. I am genuinely asking.

 

If he wasn't thinking of retirement then why the whole comment about hearing form him on Monday? 

 

I am not a pro football GM or anything, but it is very clearly beyond wishful thinking at this point. 

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Which means he knows he has to do a lot better to earn the rest of that 3.875 million dollars...

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3 minutes ago, Detectacon said:

I am all for a positive mindset and standing behind your people, but are they kidding themselves? It is not a rhetorical question. I am genuinely asking.

 

If he wasn't thinking of retirement then why the whole comment about hearing form him on Monday? 

 

I am not a pro football GM or anything, but it is very clearly beyond wishful thinking at this point. 

well, we all know the Colts PR department is a mess and a half.

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1 hour ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

 

 

There will come a time.  The first time (benching) around for Eli, a coach did get it. Some of it for 'HOW' they did it.

 

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/Giants-Mara-Mistakes-made-in-Eli-s-benching_163124936/

 

 

 

I didn't think there was anything wrong with it.  The season was lost and they knew that Manning wasn't good.  The coach caught heck because the media rules the team in NY.  

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2 hours ago, Myles said:

I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. 

 

That's why fans aren't running teams.  You're not accountable for the decision, nor have to tell the player.  Evidently, neither does the coach as he dropped the bombshell on a Tuesday (players day off)

 

"McAdoo shocked the sports world on Tuesday when he announced that Geno Smith, who has thrown a total of two incomplete passes all season, will be starting this Sunday against the Oakland Raiders on Sunday."

 

2 hours ago, Myles said:

The season was lost and they knew that Manning wasn't good. 

 

So ruin his consecutive games started streak to try Geno Smith, who was a known soon to be FA, 27 years old, and a mediocre QB after his 5 previous seasons in the NFL?  Really? And not talking to Eli about it, but announce it on his day off? (Tuesday)  Then a day later offer to let him start, to continue the streak, then yank him for Geno?

 

Eli essentially told him (in his nice way) to go pound sand, that the offer was a sham. Start Geno.

 

2 hours ago, Myles said:

The coach caught heck because the media rules the team in NY.  

 

We don't know the particulars, but the media had a love/hate relationship with Eli. But they despised the way the NY Giants tossed him aside, let Geno ruin the streak and lose a game, then put Eli back in the following week. But I admit it was kind of funny one reporter told the fired coach to look at Manning's rings on his way out, because that's the closest he'd ever get to one.

 

None of us have had conversations with Eli (or Adam V.), but the NY Giants Co-Owner did, then admitted they all botched the handling of the Eli situation in some way.  TBH, I don't think Eli has had his full heart in it ever since.  (hard to gauge as his demeanor is always stoic)  His contract ends this year, he collects his final $23.2 million, and can't be traded (he has no trade clause in his contract).

 

Colts seem to be respectful on how they deal with players

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6 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

agree, that may very well happen.  And he deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, of one that does deserve 2 ring of honor selections.  The Colts prove they will do just that.

 

 

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They may work some people out, in time.  I'll bet every agent of a kicker has been ringing Ballard's phone into overheat mode.

 

 

There will come a time.  The first time (benching) around for Eli, a coach did get it. Some of it for 'HOW' they did it.

 

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/Giants-Mara-Mistakes-made-in-Eli-s-benching_163124936/

 

But now its long past and round 2 for Eli with a #6 overall pick in place.  They likely told Manning it was his team unless he could not motivate the guys to victory.  He didn't so in comes the future, Daniel Jones.  Colts need their 'Daniel Jones' in place.

 

 

I just watched Gostkowski of the Patriots miss a Field Goal and at least 2 extra point kicks in the Dolphin game.

 

https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2019/09/stephen-gostkowski-struggles-new-england-patriots-kicker-missed-field-goal-two-extra-points-in-sundays-win.html

 

Quite a few teams have (at least some) kicking issues, as did a few teams last year as well.  Not long ago, the Vikings traded a 5th round draft pick for one off the Ravens squad, and ended up cutting him weeks later.  (Kaare Vedvik)

 

 

Did you see the first of 2 missed extra points Vinny missed last week wasn't anywhere near the uprights.

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We need to go out and dominate so this isn’t a issue. As good as we have been in the red zone maybe just go for two ob every TD lol

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7 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:

Did you see the first of 2 missed extra points Vinny missed last week wasn't anywhere near the uprights.

 

No. I live in SW Florida. I get Dolphins, Bucs (and some Jags) games. I listen to Colts on SiriusXM radio, and watch it later on game pass (when I can)

 

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