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16 minutes ago, King Colt said:

Acoustically 1 over riding 10 is impossible 

Not necessarily.

 

20 people all making the same noise (ie harmonizing) can be perceived over what our brains are already used to, like intermittent cheering of significantly more people. Our brains detect loud noises and through the stapedius reflex (or something like that) it metaphorically pushes it to the side. Then when a new sound is introduced, and it’s close enough to harmonizing, our brains pick it up through the rest of the noise. Example: It’s a quiet Sunday morning and your neighbor fires up his lawnmower next door. Initially it becomes very loud. The stapedius reflex kicks in and it “quiets” it even though the decibel level stays the same. This is also how chants get going even though they typically start off, from a decibel level, much quieter than the surrounding crowd noise.

 

While the poster likely threw out 10 as a placeholder for “lots of people” there is some backing to the statement.

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2 hours ago, Four2itus said:

Played with the Pats 10 years

Played with the Colts 14 years

 

He's an historic kicker for the franchise. 

I knew someone would quote that he played longer with Colts.

Still, i would thinkmost people associate him more with the Pats.

Me included.

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14 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

 

Agree 100% brother! 

 

I hate to type that, and have mad respect for the guy, but they can't re-sign him next year. :(

Trust me Lolly. I've known you for awhile now & I respect you as a regular poster & writer on the forum. I automatically knew how difficult it was to say what you said about Adam--Going in a different direction next yr without Mr. V. 

 

I have a ton of respect for you especially anyone courageous enough to be the first to say that this situation isn't working & letting go of such a well liked clutch kicker is exceptionally hard. That takes balls to say that & wait for the potential backlash to roll in brother. Kudos man. 

 

Of course, had that happened...People clamoring for your head & out for blood metaphorically speaking naturally...I would have been right there to defend you. 

 

You're a good man Lolly; I will always have your back brother. Always remember that. 

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14 hours ago, WoolMagnet said:

My opinion:

Fans are within their rights as a fan, however it is not what i would do.

  I am not a fan of booing.  They are trying.

Think of your boss and co-workers booing you when you enter the workplace after not meeting your quotas.  I just dont like negative type motivation.  It rarely works.'

  We have such a fine group of men on this team that i wouldnt want some fan frustration to be misconstrued as total disgust with this team.  Its a GOOD team, overachieving, imo.

 

  But hey, if you pay for a ticket, food, drink, jersey, etc i guess you have the right to voice your displeasure, just not my style.

 

We have talented people monitoring and looking for answers to the issues, such as kicking.  I trust they know what they are doing.  Better than any of us, i would think. Thats good enough for me.

 

The main question is whether Vinny can "straighten it out"  and be as good or better than the question marks currently available.   There is a reason THEY are available.  Many teams had kicking issues this year and STILL these guys are available.  I'm really not sure what decision would work out better.  No one does.

 

13 hours ago, Gramz said:

Seriously...??   My thoughts.

 

Booing is a reflection on the person booing,  NOT the person being booed.

 

You're good with that,  knock yourself out.

Yes, both of you are correct. Booing your favorite team never solves anything in the long run. I've always perceived it as childish & tacky personally. 

 

The other side of the coin justifying booing as an act of passion against substandard play & execution reminds me of an article Rob Parker wrote below: 

 

https://theshadowleague.com/sports-fans-have-the-right-to-boo/

 

I don't subscribe to this point of view. I'm just playing devil's advocate for balance I guess. 

 

The interesting thing is this: There's a huge gulf between a bad season or two versus say a bad decade where your team has been in the doldrums for yrs AKA the Cleveland Browns. Boycotting a squad as a fan is vastly different than missing the playoffs occasionally over time. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, King Colt said:

Acoustically 1 over riding 10 is impossible 

That is not true.   Just try it.  Go to a kids singing recital and when the 20 parents clap for a child, you boo him.   See which is noticed more.  

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8 hours ago, southwest1 said:

Trust me Lolly. I've known you for awhile now & I respect you as a regular poster & writer on the forum. I automatically knew how difficult it was to say what you said about Adam--Going in a different direction next yr without Mr. V. 

 

I have a ton of respect for you especially anyone courageous enough to be the first to say that this situation isn't working & letting go of such a well liked clutch kicker is exceptionally hard. That takes balls to say that & wait for the potential backlash to roll in brother. Kudos man. 

 

Of course, had that happened...People clamoring for your head & out for blood metaphorically speaking naturally...I would have been right there to defend you. 

 

You're a good man Lolly; I will always have your back brother. Always remember that. 

 

You're my boy SW1!!!! 

 

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11 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

There is some good break down of the FG misdeed on stampede blue today. The one against Denver he shanked because it was going to be blocked was actually glowinski who didn’t take care of his man.  There is a lot more to these missed then just Vinny.

 

I'm glad you posted that.  I listened to the podcast and they made great points about Vinny's misses.  It's easy to lay it all on him, and he's not going to throw anyone under the bus.  But a majority of his misses were mostly a team effort.

 

I think they said there were two misses that you can solely blame on AV.  The rest of the misses this year were "operational failures".

 

But that will be ignored by most fans.  It's easier to just blame the kicker.

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1 hour ago, Myles said:

I think booing is OK usually.   If fans cheer when the team does something good, they can boo when the team does something bad.  

My rule is If you buy a ticket you are entitled to respond however you want as long as you don’t cross the fan conduct code or whatever its called.

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13 hours ago, bluebombers87 said:

Not necessarily.

 

20 people all making the same noise (ie harmonizing) can be perceived over what our brains are already used to, like intermittent cheering of significantly more people. Our brains detect loud noises and through the stapedius reflex (or something like that) it metaphorically pushes it to the side. Then when a new sound is introduced, and it’s close enough to harmonizing, our brains pick it up through the rest of the noise. Example: It’s a quiet Sunday morning and your neighbor fires up his lawnmower next door. Initially it becomes very loud. The stapedius reflex kicks in and it “quiets” it even though the decibel level stays the same. This is also how chants get going even though they typically start off, from a decibel level, much quieter than the surrounding crowd noise.

 

While the poster likely threw out 10 as a placeholder for “lots of people” there is some backing to the statement.

Ten voices will always be louder than one, always.

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Really? I buy a ticket, therefore it's my right to boo? Ok. 

 

Soo......I buy a bus ticket, and it's my right to pass gas sitting right next to someone? Hey, there is no rule against it. And I paid for the right to ride on that bus!  But....the problem is, it may be a right, but it is still rude. Not understanding the difference, is very telling. 

 

Fans can do whatever the hell they want, as long as it does not break a rule, right? Fine, but I personally have zero respect for fans who boo their own team. I go to concerts, but I would never boo a performance. 

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27 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

Really? I buy a ticket, therefore it's my right to boo? Ok. 

 

Soo......I buy a bus ticket, and it's my right to pass gas sitting right next to someone? Hey, there is no rule against it. And I paid for the right to ride on that bus!  But....the problem is, it may be a right, but it is still rude. Not understanding the difference, is very telling. 

 

Fans can do whatever the hell they want, as long as it does not break a rule, right? Fine, but I personally have zero respect for fans who boo their own team. I go to concerts, but I would never boo a performance. 

I didn’t say it wasn’t rude or the right thing to do.  Those are different issues than if you are allowed to do it.

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37 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

Really? I buy a ticket, therefore it's my right to boo? Ok. 

 

Soo......I buy a bus ticket, and it's my right to pass gas sitting right next to someone? Hey, there is no rule against it. And I paid for the right to ride on that bus!  But....the problem is, it may be a right, but it is still rude. Not understanding the difference, is very telling. 

 

Fans can do whatever the hell they want, as long as it does not break a rule, right? Fine, but I getpersonally have zero respect for fans who boo their own team. I go to concerts, but I would never boo a performance. 

LOL, I spit my food out on the bolded!

 

I've said it before, I have no issue with a person booing an obvious lack of effort, but I don't understand booing a player(s) who is trying their best and fails.

 

The last time I booed a Colts player or the team? Never, because although the execution isn't always there, the effort is.

 

Don't the refs give you enough to boo about?

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16 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

 

This conundrum is similar to what we men have to deal with regarding women.

  You may have a homely wife who cooks and cleans very well.   But every once in a while she messes up and forgets dinner.  Now , do you wanna risk the cooking/cleaning talents to "trade her in" on a cuter , more consistent, but overall lower quality cook?

  I'm not so sure... just keep the lights dim.

 

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1 minute ago, WoolMagnet said:

This conundrum is similar to what we men have to deal with regarding women.

  You may have a homely wife who cooks and cleans very well.   But every once in a while she messes up and forgets dinner.  Now , do you wanna risk the cooking/cleaning talents to "trade her in" on a cuter , more consistent, but overall lower quality cook?

  I'm not so sure... just keep the lights dim.

 

lol. I think I would want a FG kicker who is better at kicking shorter FG. 50 yard attempts don’t happen often.

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6 minutes ago, teganslaw said:

 This thread is breaking the Trent Richardson thread, even though it is merged. Not many forums have over 30 pages about their kicker. 

I get it.

 

A lot of folks have the utmost respect for him, including  myself.  Heck my profile pic is a pic of me in his Jersey.  

 

I wanted so much for him to go out on a good season. 

 

I love this team, and I love this franchise. 

 

No boos from me. Ever.

 

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

There is some good break down of the FG misdeed on stampede blue today. The one against Denver he shanked because it was going to be blocked was actually glowinski who didn’t take care of his man.  There is a lot more to these missed then just Vinny.

 

I think there is less to it than a lot of sentimental fans like to think. He is missing kicks. Are you telling me this is the only time the laces were like that? He can have credit for his greatness, but he can also have credit for these failures and us losing 2 games because of it. Yeah they played horrible vs Pitt. But in the end you were in a place to win it and you didnt. I dont see anyone giving vanderjagt any excuses when ge missed in 2005, and he had made a lot of great kicks for Indy. 

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31 minutes ago, NannyMcafee said:

I dont see anyone giving vanderjagt any excuses when ge missed in 2005, and he had made a lot of great kicks for Indy. 

You do make a compelling case with this last sentence NMFE. Adam gets paid handsomely to close out tight games for INDY & he'd be the first to say that he came up short vs Pittsburgh & didn't get it done. 

 

I dislike it when someone inevitably says football is a team sport not tennis or golf. It's a true statement sure, but it's like you said in your original entry, Adam was in a position to get us a W & along with the glory when the Colts win comes the heat when a NFL specialist fails. Excellent point. Well said. The only thing that shields Adam from constructive criticism right now are his 4 SB rings on his resume. We all know this. 

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