Raiders release Antonio Brown! (merge)

[rock8591]

Just now, throwing BBZ said:

 This head case needs to take a knee beside CK.

 

Or would that be Tonya Harding?

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, rock8591 said:

We should sign him for the veteran's minimum, but keep him on a tight leash.

 

He isn't going to sign for the vet minimum.   Also,  he is the exact opposite of what Ballard and Reich are looking for

[csmopar]

The legal fight over the guarantees will be interesting 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Hi I am Antonio Brown and I just flushed 30 mill down the toilet 

[csmopar]

6 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Ahh. Thank you! I was selecting "embed tweet"

 

I’m not even sure NE will take him

[Fluke_33]

Wow

[NFLfan]

4 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I’m not even sure NE will take him

 

They have taken other malcontents like Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, and others.

[chad hugo]

I feel for gruden

[csmopar]

Just now, NFLfan said:

 

They have taken other malcontents like Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, and others.

That they have but none have been this much of a nutcase

[jvan1973]

17 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Okay, I get it.  And I'm certainly not defending Brown, and I'll eventually end up on the losing side of the issue..  All I'm saying is that the immediate reason for his imminent termination appears to be his personal conduct towards one person, the GM, and not so much the past incidents which were deterimental to the team. He may, in fact, have a legitimate grievance to file with the NFLPA for Mayock escalating it into a $30M fine.

 

I guess if I'm Mayock, I would hold my ground in calling for the fines I originally imposed for missing time, and any other future fines should be consistent and be based upon missing time.

 

But the new fines were more about how Brown responded to the original fines.  I see that as unnecessary escalation of the situation by Mayock.  And a nut job like AB sin't going to back down from an escalation.

 

I like Gruden's response to the helmet issue.  Said something like "as far as I'm concerned, AB can play the game without a helmet."  Sort of makes the point that its an NFL rule that everybody has to follow, but also de-escalates the situation (and even strokes ABs ego a bit).

 

And we don't know anything else.  Maybe AB has put himself under pressure to earn a high profile contract with a new team and can't handle it any other way than being combative with authority.

 

Let him play.  If he scores three TDs with a new team and QB, his outlook on things might change.  I wouldn't fire him before he's even played a real game.

Too late.  They cut him

[IndyScribe]

Before anyone asks, no, Colts should not sign him.

[BleedBlu8792]

Just now, IndyScribe said:

Before anyone asks, no, Colts should not sign him.

Too late..

[Shive]

Just now, IndyScribe said:

Before anyone asks, no, Colts should not sign him.

100%. He is absolute opposite of our locker room culture. Bringing AB in would completely destroy what CB and Reich have built so far.

[Valpo2004]

Wow got signed to a big contact with the Raiders and burnt himself out before he even played a game.

[ColtsBlueFL]

5 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Too late.  They cut him

 

I wonder who the first team to knuckle under and call Rosenhaus about $$ needed to sign him?

[jvan1973]

Just now, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

I wonder who the first team to knuckle under and call Rosenhaus about $$ needed to sign him?

Jerry is making a call I bet

[throwing BBZ]

22 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Okay, I get it.  And I'm certainly not defending Brown, and I'll eventually end up on the losing side of the issue..  All I'm saying is that the immediate reason for his imminent termination appears to be his personal conduct towards one person, the GM, and not so much the past incidents which were deterimental to the team. He may, in fact, have a legitimate grievance to file with the NFLPA for Mayock escalating it into a $30M fine.

 

I guess if I'm Mayock, I would hold my ground in calling for the fines I originally imposed for missing time, and any other future fines should be consistent and be based upon missing time.

 

But the new fines were more about how Brown responded to the original fines.  I see that as unnecessary escalation of the situation by Mayock.  And a nut job like AB sin't going to back down from an escalation.

 

I like Gruden's response to the helmet issue.  Said something like "as far as I'm concerned, AB can play the game without a helmet."  Sort of makes the point that its an NFL rule that everybody has to follow, but also de-escalates the situation (and even strokes ABs ego a bit).

 

 Or more likely is that Gruden and Mayock together agreed it WAS a Necessary step, and that they got the response they were Hoping for. And the ability to dump the sorry _____!

[DougDew]

15 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Too late.  They cut him

LOL. Well, it was obvious I was going to lose this one.

 

I guess to sum it up, AB apparently gets triggered by the appearance of even the slightest bit of authority over even the most trivial things.  Maybe that's how he handles pressure.

 

Hypothetically as a GM, I don't think the proper response to someone like that is to continually be more authoritative towards him, but I'm in the huge minority on this. 

[NFLfan]

Drew Rosenhaus on NFL Network, "Kudos to Antonio."  

[ColtsBlueFL]

3 hours ago, John Hammonds said:

Breaking news - Antonio Brown now wants to be released.

 

I say, do it.  And don't look back.

 

They did it!  Epic!!

 

 

[DougDew]

Brown is "looking for a new beginning"?

 

I thought he had that a couple of months ago.

[CanuckColt]

45 minutes ago, rock8591 said:

We should sign him for the veteran's minimum, but keep him on a tight leash.

 

Sure, I'm all for that...he would mentally DESTROY Brissett.

 

[jvan1973]

2 minutes ago, CanuckColt said:

Sure, I'm all for that...he would mentally DESTROY Brissett.

 

Why would you be for that?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

19 minutes ago, CanuckColt said:

Sure, I'm all for that...he would mentally DESTROY Brissett.

 

What a awful thing to say.

[NFLfan]

27 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Why would you be for that?

 

I thought he was being sarcastic. That is all that makes sense. 

[NFLfan]

57 minutes ago, Shive said:

100%. He is absolute opposite of our locker room culture. Bringing AB in would completely destroy what CB and Reich have built so far.

 

I agree. Same with the Vikes. Don't want any part of him.

[King Colt]

Yesterday he stood in front of the cameras and mics and apologized to his team mates and the organization. This morning I turn on ESPN and he has written he wants to be released. Other than the question of his mental well being what team would dare touch this guy now? Certainly he should never be offered guaranteed money.

[NFLfan]

So, who signs Brown?

[danlhart87]

Plot twist he goes back to Pittsburgh

 

 Steelers get 3rd and 5th in 2020 and Antonio Brown 

 

Raiders get nothing

[Four2itus]

CTE

[King Colt]

AAFL is looking for a new beginning as well.

[buffalo34]

He'll go to the Patriots, Belichick will bippity boppity boo his problems away, and then it's 2007 all over again with a slightly different ending.

[HOZER]

What an *.

[ColtsBlueFL]

3 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Why would you be for that?

 

Was his remark a CK fan boi type attitude?

 

2 hours ago, buffalo34 said:

He'll go to the Patriots, Belichick will bippity boppity boo his problems away, and then it's 2007 all over again with a slightly different ending.

 

How much guaranteed money is Kraft willing to part with?  it's the gtd $ Brown is after... period.

 

JJ would be a better bet...

[ColtsBlueFL]

1 hour ago, DougDew said:

Hypothetically as a GM, I don't think the proper response to someone like that is to continually be more authoritative towards him, but I'm in the huge minority on this. 

 

Hypothetically, even considering the NFI (frostbite) and Helmet tantrums, if you let one player slide (not pay fines or incur other punitive measures) for missing some training camp / missing some practices / walkthroughs / or team meetings they should not have missed, what prevents other players following suit?  Situations like these do not call for rules for some but not others.  AB thinks there should be (and he is excused) and crossed the line in the sand.

 

 

[csmopar]

1 minute ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Is that a CK fan boi type attitude?

 

 

How much guaranteed money is Kraft willing to part with?  it's the gtd $ Brown is after... period.

 

JJ would be a better bet...

I’m thinking he goes to Houston

[BleedBlu8792]

12 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I’m thinking he goes to Houston

 

With the moves that BoB has been making lately, I wouldn't rule it out..

 

If there was ever a time for collusion in the NFL, now is it. The guy is showing major signs of mental instability and really shouldn't be signed to anyone until he gets evaluated and help. 

[DougDew]

19 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Hypothetically, even considering the NFI (frostbite) and Helmet tantrums, if you let one player slide (not pay fines or incur other punitive measures) for missing some training camp / missing some practices / walkthroughs / or team meetings they should not have missed, what prevents other players following suit?  Situations like these do not call for rules for some but not others.  AB thinks there should be (and he is excused) and crossed the line in the sand.

 

 

I understand setting precedence that could impact the rest of the team.

 

But that assumes a certain amount of players have similar personalities as AB.  They would have to be the type who wouldn't: accept having to follow instructions about oxygen therapy, accept routine meeting schedules, accept helmet rules that were designed for their own protection, and who would call their boss a cracker to his face.

 

I would have no worries at all that if I stopped fining AB dead in my tracks, it wouldn't give the green light for other players to start being disruptive.  

 

How many players skip attending regular team meetings?  Do most players attend because they will be fined if they don't, or do they attend because its what they are supposed to do.  I  assume the NFL isn't populated with a bunch of lazy low-lifes who try to get paid despite not showing up for work. 

 

This is simply a bizarre situation that was exacerbated by a GM who could not act out of the box towards addressing a player who was obviously some sort of one-off Martian.  

 

I'm saying this from the perspective of letting him play a few games....get some success with his new team and environment to get whatever monkey he's carrying off of his back....to see if he settles down.

[BleedBlu8792]

1 hour ago, DougDew said:

Hypothetically as a GM, I don't think the proper response to someone like that is to continually be more authoritative towards him, but I'm in the huge minority on this. 

 

Of course you get more authoritative. He's not a kid. This is the point in his life, with his behavioral outbursts, where ultimatums are the only option. Clearly he's been taking advantage of the lack of disciplinary actions against him and Oakland just called his bluff. Good on Oakland.

[DougDew]

10 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

Of course you get more authoritative. He's not a kid. This is the point in his life, with his behavioral outbursts, where ultimatums are the only option. Clearly he's been taking advantage of the lack of disciplinary actions against him and Oakland just called his bluff. Good on Oakland.

I'll bet at least a dollar that his emotional development is similar to a kid.  Most players in the locker room are farther along and would see the difference.

 

Look, Zeek Elliott doesn't show up because he's making a cognitive decision that he needs to earn money to protect himself against injury or the next college stud that would take his job.  That's a rational decision where a team could take rational disciplinary actions.

 

AB is fighting a basic helmet rule, and looking for stupid ways to commit tantrums.  There is nothing adult about it, and you can't discipline him in the same way as you would discipline the 52 adults in the locker room, IMO.