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1 hour ago, Myles said:

I'm going to stick with Luck being a quitter.  I would have been booing him if I was there.  

He was ok last year beating Houston in the playoffs and playing in the pro bowl. He shows up for camp with a sore ankle and quits. This makes no sense to most people.

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10 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:

You can argue he owes it to his teammates but he owes fans nothing.  Sorry I know fans like to think that players and teams owe us something but they don’t.

Fans are customers, they ultimately pay all the bills, the better the product the more they get paid.  I might take exception to the idea that they owe the fans "nothing."  This is a bad deal of the highest order, does he have the right do it, of course.  Do the customers have a right to be upset and protest, you bet.  I wouldn't boo Andrew but I'm disappointed to the core and I have lost short term interest in the NFL as a product.  So, maybe you're right, then I don't owe them anything either I suppose and that's not a win for anyone, a doom loop if you will,  which is why we show care about the impact we have in business and society at large, this is a PR nightmare.

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5 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Gotta ask, how hard was it watching those 0-16 and similar seasons for the better part of 2 decades? Gotta get prepared for that

 

 

I wouldn't worry about that you actually have a good gm. That was the browns problem they couldn't find a guy to pick good players.

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What I think many in the media are missing about this "quitting" not retiring is that Mr. Luck was getting paid big bucks to go out and put his health on the line playing NFL football. He was compensated for his injuries, he will "quite" a multi-millionaire earning nearly $97 million dollars that should alleviate some of the "pain" he has endured!!! Hell I played like a kid possessed just in back yard tackle football in my youth and have had a shoulder replacement, neck and knee surgery but I never "quit". He will always be a "quitter" in my mind and the damage he has done to the Colts franchise will haunt us for years. Thanks for nothing Andrew, no Super Bowl....nothing!

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9 minutes ago, MTC said:

new-understanding-the-stages-of-grief-1.

I’m in between the Anger and Bargaining phase. I skipped the denial and started out just pure anger 

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10 minutes ago, ricker182 said:

I'm definitely in the last stage.    

 

I went through them all.  

  

That was quick.  

  

Well maybe I'm in the depression phase.  

Idk.  

Send help.

This calls for Package Store therapy!  Just wait until the losses start piling up...Andrew  swings +/- 5-7 wins per season. Prepare for a 4-6 win season.

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1 minute ago, Rally5 said:

This calls for Package Store therapy!  Just wait until the losses start piling up...Andrew  swings +/- 5-7 wins per season. Prepare for a 4-6 win season.

Irsay should make the beer free the rest of the season after this, then again, that could make matters worse.

 

 

ps, go look at the Colts ticket market place if you wanna see how season ticket holders are taking it

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This comment will get buried in this thread, but I wanted out for the record.  Another post in another thread suggested that Luck mentally checked out during the KC game.  I never wanted to say that, but I remember thinking the exact same thing at the time.  He looked less engaged than usual during that game.  Almost a sense of hopelessness.

 

I don't think Luck was ever really up to being the focus of the team.  I think he reluctantly did it because it was his job, and did it well enough, but I think that role is inconsistent with his natural personality.  In contrast to someone Like PM, who relishes that role.

 

And now we have KC and Mahomes to fight through to get to the SB.  Whenever anybody plays KC, its going to turn into a shoot out.  How much MORE will the success of the team fall onto the opponents' QB's shoulders.  Some people simply have their breaking point as to how much responsibility they can....or want...to take on.

 

Luck ran a power run play action passing game college in college.  Jim Harbaugh was the leader and face of that team, not Luck.  In the NFL, the QB has that role, not the coach.

 

I think Luck enjoys scrambling for first downs and TDs.  Likes blasting the DB after an interception.  He likes football, but Luck would probably be more comfortable playing QB in the 1970's NFL where the success of the team, season, coaching staff, fan base, and stadium financing does not depend upon what the QB does with the ball every snap. 

 

Now he sees Mahomes and what it will take to win it all, and sees the part of the job he never liked that much being even more of the focus of his job in the future.

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I need a hug this morning. :( 

 

Spot on with the stages of grief, @MTC

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Now that I have processed it a bit I will say this was a fear in the back of my mind.  Luck was never a guy who felt like he needed football.  He can do whatever he wants with his life now, maybe go become an architect.  

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I think Shefter is classless. But it does make you wonder why this wasn’t announced Friday. It was going to get out. Shefter though should of had some respect for Luck.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, DougDew said:

This comment will get buried in this thread, but I wanted out for the record.  Another post in another thread suggested that Luck mentally checked out during the KC game.  I never wanted to say that, but I remember thinking the exact same thing at the time.  He looked less engaged than usual during that game.  Almost a sense of hopelessness.

 

I don't think Luck was ever really up to being the focus of the team.  I think he reluctantly did it because it was his job, and did it well enough, but I think that role is inconsistent with his natural personality.  In contrast to someone Like PM, who relishes that role.

 

And now we have KC and Mahomes to fight through to get to the SB.  Whenever anybody plays KC, its going to turn into a shoot out.  How much MORE will the success of the team fall onto the opponents' QB's shoulders.  Some people simply have their breaking point as to how much responsibility they can....or want...to take on.

 

Luck ran a power run play action passing game college in college.  Jim Harbaugh was the leader and face of that team, not Luck.  In the NFL, the QB has that role, not the coach.

 

I think Luck enjoys scrambling for first downs and TDs.  Likes blasting the DB after an interception.  He likes football, but Luck would probably be more comfortable playing QB in the 1970's NFL. 

 

Now he sees Mahomes and what it will take to win it all, and sees the part of the job he never liked that much being even more of the focus of his job in the future.

Probably mayfield too.

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12 hours ago, CanuckColt said:

Yep.  A player can only take so many injuries...then it's not worth it.

 

SPOT ON!!! The NFL is a violent game, Takes the toll mentally and physically

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6 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

I think Shefter is classless. But it does make you wonder why this wasn’t announced Friday. It was going to get out. Shefter though should of had some respect for Luck.

 

 

Shef being classless is nothing new.

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10 minutes ago, DougDew said:

This comment will get buried in this thread, but I wanted out for the record.  Another post in another thread suggested that Luck mentally checked out during the KC game.  I never wanted to say that, but I remember thinking the exact same thing at the time.  He looked less engaged than usual during that game.  Almost a sense of hopelessness.

 

I don't think Luck was ever really up to being the focus of the team.  I think he reluctantly did it because it was his job, and did it well enough, but I think that role is inconsistent with his natural personality.  In contrast to someone Like PM, who relishes that role.

 

And now we have KC and Mahomes to fight through to get to the SB.  Whenever anybody plays KC, its going to turn into a shoot out.  How much MORE will the success of the team fall onto the opponents' QB's shoulders.  Some people simply have their breaking point as to how much responsibility they can....or want...to take on.

 

Luck ran a power run play action passing game college in college.  Jim Harbaugh was the leader and face of that team, not Luck.  In the NFL, the QB has that role, not the coach.

 

I think Luck enjoys scrambling for first downs and TDs.  Likes blasting the DB after an interception.  He likes football, but Luck would probably be more comfortable playing QB in the 1970's NFL where the success of the team, season, coaching staff, fan base, and stadium financing does not depend upon what the QB does with the ball every snap. 

 

Now he sees Mahomes and what it will take to win it all, and sees the part of the job he never liked that much being even more of the focus of his job in the future.

 

Sad but I had the same feeling.

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21 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Irsay should make the beer free the rest of the season after this, then again, that could make matters worse.

 

 

ps, go look at the Colts ticket market place if you wanna see how season ticket holders are taking it

I can imagine...it's devastating.  

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19 hours ago, SP_21 said:

I don’t know what to say. After all the love and support the fans have shown him he blindsides us!? Not only us but his teammates, the coaching staff, and the organization. Totally unprofessional and I hope his memory is completely removed from Indy. 

:edit: Get Outta here...  It's the man's health mentally and physically. Would you take care of him if he was disabled by this game? Hell NO

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1 hour ago, Restored said:

 

I can promise you that if the exact same situation happened with all 31 other teams, there would be some fans booing. It was just the timing of it that elicited those reactions. Not saying they are right or justified but I also understand why it happened.

I’d say 30.. I’m pretty sure Brady be chanted off the field but we are waiting for him to announce his retirement any time within the next couple years... but the rest I agree! 

 

Based off what luck said in the interview seems he is just done with all the pain.  It feels he retired for the same reason as Gronk.. the injuries just got to much for them.

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1 minute ago, Introspect said:

GTF Outta here...  It's the man's health mentally and physically. Would you take care of him if he was disabled by this game? Hell NO

He could have retired in March.    I'm sure the fans would have been far more understanding,  I know I would have been

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4 minutes ago, Rally5 said:

I can imagine...it's devastating.  

Yeah

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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

He could have retired in March.    I'm sure the fans would have been far more understanding,  I know I would have been

I’d been far more accepting if he hadn’t strung us along with lies and falsehoods the last month. You don’t lose “the love of the game” overnight.

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15 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

I think Shefter is classless. But it does make you wonder why this wasn’t announced Friday. It was going to get out. Shefter though should of had some respect for Luck.

 

 

 

What’s classless about what Schefter did?   It’s his job to break the news. Someone else would have broken the news if Schefter hadn’t. GMs, coaches, and players leak info to him all of the time to shape the narrative they want to get out. Occasionally info that they don’t want out there leaks as well.  It sounds more like the Colts mishandled this situation. If the decision was made on Friday then the press conference should have been had then. They left Luck out on the sideline looking like a fool not knowing the news had broken. 

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2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

He could have retired in March.    I'm sure the fans would have been far more understanding,  I know I would have been

Listen to his press conference it has only happened the last couple of weeks after he got injured AGAIN and still not better.

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2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I’d been far more accepting if he hadn’t strung us along with lies and falsehoods the last month. You don’t lose “the love of the game” overnight.

Yes you can

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Just now, JimJaime said:

Listen to his press conference it has only happened the last couple of weeks after he got injured AGAIN and still not better.

It's football.   He knew he was going to have injuries.   I highly doubt this latest leg injury was the coup de grace for his career.   

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5 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I’d been far more accepting if he hadn’t strung us along with lies and falsehoods the last month. You don’t lose “the love of the game” overnight.

I understand, especially when he had no injuries post-season, how did this even happen?  I get the sense it was non-football and like the snow-boarding accident he wants to be able to live his life unconstrained.  I do think he feels the weight of the role but perhaps miscalculated on how much people understood. There's more to this story I believe.

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2 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Yes you can

No, it’s usually a cumulative effect and one event finally pushes you over the edge

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Just now, jvan1973 said:

It's football.   He knew he was going to have injuries.   I highly doubt this latest leg injury was the coup de grace for his career.   

Straw that broke the camels back

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Just now, Rally5 said:

I understand, especially when he had no injuries post-season, how did this even happen?  I get the sense it was non-football and like the snow-boarding accident he want to be able to live his life unconstrained.  I do think he feels the weight of the role but perhaps miscalculated on how much people understood. There's more to this story I believe.

I agree.  There’s definitely more to this than the “love of the game”

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1 minute ago, csmopar said:

No, it’s usually a cumulative effect and one event finally pushes you over the edge

It differs for everyone     

   It took me over 10 years to realize it

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All that said I probably won't be around here much.  I will probably only be following the Colts in the standings and not really watching games.  Not going to be a fan of another NFL team or anything but I just have much better things to do with my time then watch a team that is bad as I can take Joy from trips to the zoo with my kids but no joy out of watching my team lose games.

 

Will probably check back in when and if the Colts draft a QB in the 2020 draft.

 

Can't say I won't be here at all but 

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He is also killing our cap.  24 million in dead cap space. 

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56 minutes ago, MTC said:

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I guess that I’m still in the Denial phase, because this frankly feels like a bad joke.

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13 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

He could have retired in March.    I'm sure the fans would have been far more understanding,  I know I would have been

I don't buy this. Not for a second. Luck retiring after he had seemingly good healthy season and the Colts being on the verge of contention, was never going to be taken well by the fanbase. There is no world where people wouldn't feel angry, betrayed, frustrated, shell-shocked, etc... not if he did the the day after the KC game, not if he did it in March, not in July and not now. It doesn't matter when he did it and it quite honestly doesn't matter in the big picture. Whenever he did it, IMO nothing would have changed. Ballard and Reich still would have wanted to give Jacoby a shot and the QB class this year wasn't great either. 

 

He tried to get back, just his body wouldn't cooperate. IMO him not even trying would have been worse. FAR worse. 

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22 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I’d been far more accepting if he hadn’t strung us along with lies and falsehoods the last month. You don’t lose “the love of the game” overnight.

 

No matter when he announced this, you would have been upset. Robert Smith, RB for the Vikings, announced his retirement right at the end of the best season of his career. Fans were angry, not understanding why he would quit at that moment. Same when Barry Sanders retired. These guys have their reasons and they don't have to tell others why. 

 

Fans don't seem to understand that football players are human beings and they are not that different from us. Playing the game, having special talents, or making lots of money does not change that. They are still human. 

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7 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

You're the only only one saying this. All of the "paid" folks had the Colts as favs.

If I guessed wrong, so did everyone else but you.

 

As far as other teams, every team has holes. Please feel free to back your silliness up with stats.

 

The only reason why we didn't win the AFC South last year was because we had musical chairs on the OL the first half of the season, our lead RB out early, and more musical chairs at WR the whole year. We addressed WR. Our OL was top 5 the last half of the season. Mack was top 5 the last half of the season. We beat the AFC champ on their on won field in the playoffs. 

 

Carry on your silliness.... but feel free to support your silliness with stats...

 

Again, dumbest post/thread of the year.

 

Here are the stats.  The Colts haven’t won the division in 5yrs. They will most likely miss the playoffs for the 4th time in 5 yrs. The only year they made the playoffs it took such an improbable run it had happened one other time in the history of the NFL.

 

 All these folks that are “paid” to talk said the Colts were the worst team in the league last year and now superbowl contenders this year....wrong both times so bringing them up is probably about the dumbest thing in this thread.

 

 The Colts weren’t great to begin with and were a key injury or two away from a losing record. Luck had a history of being unavailable....guess what?!? He is unavailable again.  Granted no one thought he would retire but I’ve doubted his health for a couple years and thought he was the next Chad Pennington. Both great players but couldn’t stay healthy. If any player on the line went down we were going to suffer mightily. If TY got banged up the WRs were going to be pedestrian, there was zero pass rush and Houston isn’t the answer. The schedule is absolutely brutal and probably the key reason this was a fringe playoff team. 

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2 minutes ago, stitches said:

I don't buy this. Not for a second. Luck retiring after he had seemingly good healthy season and the Colts being on the verge of contention, was never going to be taken well by the fanbase. There is no world where people wouldn't feel angry, betrayed, frustrated, shell-shocked, etc... not if he did the the day after the KC game, not if he did it in March, not in July and not now. It doesn't matter when he did it and it quite honestly doesn't matter in the big picture. Whenever he did it, IMO nothing would have changed. Ballard and Reich still would have wanted to give Jacoby a shot and the QB class this year wasn't great either. 

 

He tried to get back, just his body wouldn't cooperate. IMO him not even trying would have been worse. FAR worse. 

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