Time to Tank for Lawrence

[Mr.NotSoCreative]

On 8/24/2019 at 10:13 PM, NewColtsFan said:

Lawrence not available until 2021.

 

Tua,  the kid from Georgia,  and Hebert from Oregon.

 

Those are the early Big-3 in the 2020 class.     Maybe someone else blooms late the way Mayfield did.....

 

Kid from Stanford, Costello? Solid option.

[Luck 4 president]

14 minutes ago, ThorstenDenmark said:

How much would it cost to trade from lets say nr 14-15 spot, to get Lawrence?

 

 

1st and 2nd round picks for the next 5 years

[Breeze]

Unfortunately, today’s generation of players, coaches, and front office are too selfish to sacrifice their own careers for the sake of the fan base and  their future replacements.  This city owes a debt of gratitude to those fine people, including a HOF GM, for giving up their life long dreams so that others could experience the joy of a winning record!  

[tweezy32]

If there isn’t a great qb in the draft that will be a top10 qb in the nfl at all we should not even think about drafting him. ‘‘Tis is overrated. I’d rather just build our team and draft a beast on defense or something

[Moosejawcolt]

On 8/24/2019 at 7:41 PM, Luck 4 president said:

Is Scott Tolzien available? He’s the man for the job if we want that #1 pick in 2021

Dumb....just dumb

[IndyScribe]

No way this team is getting Lawrence. Wet too good to tank. Why don't you believe in Brissett? I think he can do great things.

[Moosejawcolt]

How bout we just try and  build a complete  team that is not so reliant on qb play???? 

[Sumo63]

6 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

How bout we just try and  build a complete  team that is not so reliant on qb play???? 

That's what Ballard has said he would/could do all along.  I'm with you.  "Tanking" is nonsense,  let the man work.  We can't know if Jacoby is the answer yet or not, we havent seen a single game out of him under this new regime.  It's way too early to judge and I'd never call for the Colts lose on purpose.  If they're not good enough they'll do that naturally.

[Fisticuffs111]

The chances of being able to be in the position/get in the position to draft Lawrence are so, so low.

1.) Other than straight up shutting down or cutting guys like Leonard, Nelson, Hilton, Mack, Hooker, Moore...you get the point...we're probably not gonna be bad enough to get the 1st overall pick.

2.) I highly doubt Ballard would pay the price to move up to get Lawrence because it'll be the biggest haul ever given up in a trade...and that's even if the team who has the #1 pick will want to trade out of it. I think most teams in the league would take Lawrence and run with him, save for maybe the Chiefs (Mahomes), and it's not very likely they'll be picking #1 then.

[jameszeigler834]

1 hour ago, ThorstenDenmark said:

would suck if brady retired and he ended up in new england

He wont be in New England Miami maybe but not New England.

[SteelCityColt]

Never get enamoured with QBs who are 2 years removed from the draft.. it doesn’t end well mostly. 

 

That’s not even touching on the whole premise of this topic... 

[Stephen]

2 hours ago, Stoney said:

yeahhhh… about that. you ever heard of the Pacers? they tend to believe in not tanking. and whats it get them? right in the middle ever year. just good enough to make the playoffs and get bounced, and miss out on every single generational star, every single year.

 

You heard of the Patriots.  Their roster turns over alot each year and they will win. Even if brady retires today Hoyer could come in and win 11 games. It's  about more than high draft picks. It's  about picking  the guys that fit your system no matter where you pick and having the right coaches  to play them to their strengths.  The Patriots  aren't  more talented  than the chiefs or chargers and yet they still beat them due to good game planning  and having  the right guy to fit their system. 

[Fluke_33]

On 8/25/2019 at 12:37 AM, Stoney said:

there is talk about Trevor challenging the ruling in court about him being draft eligible in 2020 instead of 2021. odds aren't in his favor to win tho.

I thought Trent Richardson already tested that?

[Fluke_33]

On 8/26/2019 at 1:08 PM, Valpo2004 said:

 

That rule was already challenged in court a while ago by Maurice Clarett.   He lost.

Right.  That’s who it was

[Reich_MVP]

Wow I came over to the website to see what kind of optimism if any was floating around for this season. This thread is shocking. I am hoping the best for Brissett and feel Ballard and company have way more integrity than you think if you think they will tank a season for an unproven kid that may or may not ever win a game. They could lose jobs over such a thing Bill Polian brought a superbowl to Irsay and was fired after 1 bad season.

[Roger]

Can someone point to a player The Evil Hoodie traded that had success with another team?

[ojsglove]

4 hours ago, Stephen said:

You heard of the Patriots.  Their roster turns over alot each year and they will win. Even if brady retires today Hoyer could come in and win 11 games. It's  about more than high draft picks. It's  about picking  the guys that fit your system no matter where you pick and having the right coaches  to play them to their strengths.  The Patriots  aren't  more talented  than the chiefs or chargers and yet they still beat them due to good game planning  and having  the right guy to fit their system. 

Uhhhhhhhhh  Hoyer was cut today.

[Roger]

8 minutes ago, ojsglove said:

Uhhhhhhhhh  Hoyer was cut today.

They drafted a QB named Stidham. Probably was as good as Hoyer (who?) but costs less. Freeing up cap space, maybe?

[GoColts8818]

21 minutes ago, Roger said:

Can someone point to a player The Evil Hoodie traded that had success with another team?

I feel Brissett has had success.

[Roger]

20 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

I feel Brissett has had success.

Is he the first one?

[Roger]

Tua Tagovailoa looks pretty good in Alabama.  Why not suck for him?

[Qwiz]

5 hours ago, SteelCityColt said:

Never get enamoured with QBs who are 2 years removed from the draft.. it doesn’t end well mostly. 

 

That’s not even touching on the whole premise of this topic... 

Yup. So much could happen between now and then. He looks like the real deal now but two years is a long time in football. 

[Tsarquise]

On 8/26/2019 at 1:23 PM, stitches said:

A very very slight, barely visible silver-lining - we are playing a very hard schedule this year. 6-10 or even 5-11 isn't too hard to imagine, IMO. 

 

Like we've seen many times before, we will appreciate just how good Luck was when he's gone and we have to compare what he used to give us with what a player like Brissett, who many think is a top 30QB, can give us. 

I mean, we went 8-8 with Luck in 2016, and we did pretty well without him in 2015, too. 

[Peterk2011]

On 8/25/2019 at 4:24 AM, Mr.NotSoCreative said:

Sure he will, its really just a matter of can we stomach it for 2 years?

 

Nah, we can't beat Miami, no matter how hard we try. They already have 4 1st round and 4 2nd round picks plus Fitzmagic. And they're just warming up.

[WoolMagnet]

On 8/24/2019 at 9:52 PM, IndySouthsider said:

Right. Who wants to suck for two years?

Texan fans could give some advice in that area.

[Peterk2011]

In all serousness, I think right now it's not the right time to suck for a QB. Just look back in recent  few years. Playoff teams found their franchise QBs moving up from outside the 20, while top - I mean bottom - teams struggled finding their own. I don't know how long this era will last, but right now, in today's NFL the right place, right coach, right system is much-much more importan than it ever has been before. You can win with Goff, Trubisky, Prescott and suck with Allen or Darnold, who I believe much more talented than any of the former. If Ballard is good - he convinced me he is -, he'll find a guy for Reich's system outside of the top5. Maybe outside of round 1.

[superrep1967]

I've dubbed it lose for Lawrence just not this year. 

[superrep1967]

On 8/24/2019 at 9:41 PM, Luck 4 president said:

Is Scott Tolzien available? He’s the man for the job if we want that #1 pick in 2021

Well I believe Walker would do it sufficiently enough. 

[CanuckColt]

8 hours ago, tweezy32 said:

If there isn’t a great qb in the draft that will be a top10 qb in the nfl at all we should not even think about drafting him. ‘‘Tis is overrated. I’d rather just build our team and draft a beast on defense or something

We really need to address LT very soon.

 

[CanuckColt]

20 minutes ago, superrep1967 said:

Well I believe Walker would do it sufficiently enough. 

We might just see him back on the PS again.

 

[Imgrandojji]

3 hours ago, Roger said:

Can someone point to a player The Evil Hoodie traded that had success with another team?

That's a tough one, the Patriots are so rarely sellers.

 

Brandin Cooks springs to mind fairly quickly though.  He wasn't a fit for what  the Pats wanted so they moved him for a first and IIRC got Sony Michel with it.

[NannyMcafee]

If the lockerroom is indeed as good as they're saying, and the talent level is as good as they're saying and we are seeing, then to tank would be a crime against the lockerroom and football. Do you think our players wouldnt get the message that they're not good enough? The last thing we need is our players quitting on this vision of ballards because someone wanted to tank for a QB before they even saw how good Brissett is. This is utter nonsense. It would make sense if our team was depleted of talent but it's not and one of the reasons our team is has done so well is because they all trust each other. Why break that trust? 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Tanking is stupid. But to play along with this thread I heard someone mention how NFL teams should stay away from QB that come from big schools and look great. The reasoning was these teams are loaded with talent and it’s hard to get a gauge on how good they actually are. if you look around most of the elite QB did not go to big time schools that were winning national championships.

[Colts_Fan12]

On 8/26/2019 at 1:36 PM, Myles said:

I don't think having a losing record is a silver lining.   We have lots of good young players.  I won't root for losing until we are out of playoff contention.  It's not like the season before we drafted Luck.   The team was bad at that time.   

adding more top talent is never a bad thing I'll take a top 5 pick anytime we get it and still be happy cause it usually nets someone very talented 

[Imgrandojji]

You're basically making a trade when you tank.  you're trading with the universe 1 year of every player's life, health, and contract status for a shot at maybe 1 guy you wouldn't get otherwise.

 

I'm just saying that's proaby not always a good trade.  Especially if you already have guys doing your potential tank target's job at well above replacement level.

[NewColtsFan]

On 8/31/2019 at 8:22 AM, Mr.NotSoCreative said:

Kid from Stanford, Costello? Solid option.

 

Thanks for asking....

 

But,  not for me.    I'm hugely disappointed by Costello.

 

Maybe he'll blossom this year,  but PFF gave him a very high grade last year and had him going 31st or 32nd in the 2020 draft....      Personally,   I think it's crazy talk.

 

I see Costello as a 4th rounder at best.     I'd love to be wrong,  but don't see it.    I'll write a longer eval sometime later.....

[CoachLite]

Tanking seems a desperation strategy, so no.

[MPStack]

On 8/31/2019 at 5:37 PM, Roger said:

Can someone point to a player The Evil Hoodie traded that had success with another team?

 

Jimmy Garoppolo was looking good before injury.

 

Matt Cassel has one good season with KC after being traded there. 

 

 

[Roger]

3 hours ago, MPStack said:

 

Jimmy Garoppolo was looking good before injury.

 

Matt Cassel has one good season with KC after being traded there. 

 

 

Those two examples are used by people to support the contention that NE players have an undeserved attraction.  I doubt San Fran would give Garropolo that contract today.

[MPStack]

6 minutes ago, Roger said:

Those two examples are used by people to support the contention that NE players have an undeserved attraction.  I doubt San Fran would give Garropolo that contract today.

 

I think NE has a very QB friendly system. Several QBs during BB’s tenure have performed well and most likely above expectations. I don’t think Brady can do what Brady does on a different team without the same scheme. That’s not to say he’s not a great QB, because every QB is in fact a system QB to a degree.