Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

Zeke to the Colts rumors starting...


ColtStrong2013

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 241
  • Created
  • Last Reply

So a few questions:

 

1) What would people be happy to give up?

2) What do people think the Cowboys would actually take?

3) Imagine that by trading for him  you'd have to extend him off the bat, else you're just in the same situation as the Cowboys, so what contract are you happy to give him?

 

I vaguely remember hearing about a cut off date for extending traded players, but I might be well off there. @Superman?

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:

So a few questions:

 

1) What would people be happy to give up?

2) What do people think the Cowboys would actually take?

3) Imagine that by trading for him  you'd have to extend him off the bat, else you're just in the same situation as the Cowboys, so what contract are you happy to give him?

 

I vaguely remember hearing about a cut off date for extending traded players, but I might be well off there. @Superman?

 

I'm not huge on the idea honestly. We would have been better off kicking the wheels in FA on Bell if we were going to entertain this. I just don't see it in Ballard. We need help at runningback, but I don't think Ballard will be reactive and give up draft capital to sign a mega contract to a runningback. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:

 

I'm not huge on the idea honestly. We would have been better off kicking the wheels in FA on Bell if we were going to entertain this. I just don't see it in Ballard. We need help at runningback, but I don't think Ballard will be reactive and give up draft capital to sign a mega contract to a runningback. 

The one thing about this though is we added depth last draft. We are not going to need all those draft picks next year. This isn’t going to happen but where we are as a team I could see Ballard giving up draft picks if there was a hole in the team.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hilarious and never crossed my mind at any point. I personally see Zeke back with the Cowboys and playing this season. Something will get done for him I think. Marlon Mack is a decent back but not a super powerful and elusive back like Zeke. Would be nice to have on the team.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, chad hugo said:

That's not happening. The culture around the colts is and always has been team-first and frankly, zeke is the complete opposite of that. 

Why?  Because hes holding out for more money before the Cowboys run him into the ground?  No one is ever team first.  They all are looking out for them selves, otherwise we woulnt lose anyone to FA ever and Luck wouldnt have signed the largest contract in NFL history when he did.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh yeah?

 

Well I heard (am starting) a rumor that if Luck isn't ready for week 1, then we are going to trade him to the Cowboys for Zeke.

 

And Peyton is going to make a surprise comeback with the Colts against the Chargers.

 

And... and... and Bill Belichick sleeps with a binky and sucks his thumb in his sleep!

 

Break-The-Thumbsucking-Habit.jpg?v=1-201

Link to post
Share on other sites
35 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:

So a few questions:

 

1) What would people be happy to give up?

2) What do people think the Cowboys would actually take?

3) Imagine that by trading for him  you'd have to extend him off the bat, else you're just in the same situation as the Cowboys, so what contract are you happy to give him?

 

I vaguely remember hearing about a cut off date for extending traded players, but I might be well off there. @Superman?

1.) I would give Dallas whichever 2nd round pick next year that turns out to be higher for Zeke.

 

2.) I believe the Cowboys would want a 2nd and 3rd, or 2nd and 4th for him.

 

3.) I would immediately extend him to a 5 year, 65 million dollar deal. Ballard said he would eventually bring a non-character guy in the locker room. Given our weakness at RB and if Luck plays week 1, I would pull the trigger now.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Nope, don't want him, even if it was for a 7th round pick. I think his demeanor and attitude is counter productive to this Colt's culture thing. Currently, I think with such a young team, we're not set up to handle a true prima donna like he is, same case with Antonio Brown when those rumors were lighting up. 

Attitude aside, RBs have a short life span. Id pass mainly due to that.

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

1.) I would give Dallas whichever 2nd round pick next year that turns out to be higher for Zeke.

 

2.) I believe the Cowboys would want a 2nd and 3rd, or 2nd and 4th for him.

 

3.) I would immediately extend him to a 5 year, 65 million dollar deal. Ballard said he would eventually bring a non-character guy in the locker room. Given our weakness at RB and if Luck plays week 1, I would pull the trigger now.

 

Ah, but how much guaranteed?

Link to post
Share on other sites

I’d give them a 2nd and a 4th if they wanted more. Zeke would be amazing with us and definitely would put us unstoppable on offense with luck and zeke. I would also entertain maybe trading Mack to them and a pick for zeke if they would

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm less concerned about his attitude around the $ and holdout, than I am about his 4 or more brushes with the law over a short period of time. Jerry did a lot to protect him lol.

 

would love his skill set, but not sure i want his diva...

Link to post
Share on other sites
30 minutes ago, DerekDiggler said:

Why?  Because hes holding out for more money before the Cowboys run him into the ground?  No one is ever team first.  They all are looking out for them selves, otherwise we woulnt lose anyone to FA ever and Luck wouldnt have signed the largest contract in NFL history when he did.

Lost in all of this is that he has two years left on his contract.  It’s hard to argue his “me first” mentality.

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I'd give $35 million guaranteed so it's just over half of the contract.

 

Reports are out there he's already turned down an offer that would put him behind only Gurley in terms of average per year and a similar % guaranteed so I think you're a bit off here. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

Reports are out there he's already turned down an offer that would put him behind only Gurley in terms of average per year and a similar % guaranteed so I think you're a bit off here. 

I believe you, but that would be my personal offer. RB's have a short shelf life and are expendable. What can I say? :) I can also see Melvin Gordon having a Bell type holdout unless they trade him.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

I believe you, but that would be my personal offer. RB's have a short shelf life and are expendable. What can I say? :) I can also see Melvin Gordon having a Bell type holdout unless they trade him.

 

Melvin Gordon needs someone close to him to give a reality check, and fast :lol:

Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

Reports are out there he's already turned down an offer that would put him behind only Gurley in terms of average per year and a similar % guaranteed so I think you're a bit off here. 

EE wants to be number one... 

Here's Gurley's #s. 

Age  /Total Value  /Avg.Year    /     Total Guaranteed /   Fully Guaranteed / FreeAgency

25  / $57,500,000  /  $14,375,000  /    $45,000,000        /       $21,950,000       /  2024 UFA

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, ColtStrong2013 said:

 

I read that quickly ,so maybe I'm missing something but how is that a "rumor ?" Isn't it one guy that writes articles saying it would make sense ?  I don't see anything that states the Colts and Cowboys are talking about a trade. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, dw49 said:

 

I read that quickly ,so maybe I'm missing something but how is that a "rumor ?" Isn't it one guy that writes articles saying it would make sense ?  I don't see anything that states the Colts and Cowboys are talking about a trade. 

no actual rumor. just yet another guy putting a FA or hold out together with the Colt's cap space.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, SteelCityColt said:

I vaguely remember hearing about a cut off date for extending traded players, but I might be well off there. @Superman?

 

Maybe you're thinking of tagged players? The deadline for negotiating a new contract for a player on the franchise tag is July 15. Other than that, I'm not sure what deadline you might be thinking of.

 

And of course, Zeke isn't tagged.

 

To the OP, this isn't a rumor. This is a half-baked idea coming from a corner of the Internet. It's not worthy of discussion, and everything we know about the Colts and Chris Ballard should tell us that there's next to zero chance of it happening.

 

And that's a legitimate stance to take. Paying any RB $14m/year with $40-50m guaranteed -- which is what Elliott reportedly wants -- is outrageous. Trading significant draft capital for the privilege of giving that player said outrageous contract would be a huge mistake.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, ColtStrong2013 said:

cough, cough. So all those posters hammering me about Zeke and L Bell. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. I went back and forth with an electrician, and IT Professional. please don't run now.

 

Enough of the small things. Zeke coming to Indy would be a Mega Splash. hopefully, if we are fortunate enough to make it to the big game, we would RUN the ball instead of throwing it. We know how Luck could be at times, grabbing the side of his helmet and all.

Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Maybe you're thinking of tagged players? The deadline for negotiating a new contract for a player on the franchise tag is July 15. Other than that, I'm not sure what deadline you might be thinking of.

 

 

1 minute ago, Irish YJ said:

 

Thanks, I think I was confusing myself with number of years served on a Rookie deal before you can extend. Ignore me. 

4 minutes ago, Rackeen305 said:

cough, cough. So all those posters hammering me about Zeke and L Bell. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. I went back and forth with an electrician, and IT Professional. please don't run now.

 

Enough of the small things. Zeke coming to Indy would be a Mega Splash. hopefully, if we are fortunate enough to make it to the big game, we would RUN the ball instead of throwing it. We know how Luck could be at times, grabbing the side of his helmet and all.

 

One rumour post does not a summer make.

Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:

 

 

Thanks, I think I was confusing myself with number of years served on a Rookie deal before you can extend. Ignore me. 

 

One rumour post does not a summer make.

1 Question for INDY fans, if Andrew Luck were on the  Cowboys and demanded to be paid top dollars, and we had Cowboys QB Dak. 

 

And to simplify things, lets say Luck wanted to come to Indy.

 

1)Would you pick up AL knowing he wants top $dollars? say ($50+$70 million Guaranteed).

 

2) Do you object AL current contract?

 

For those not paying attention, Name the RB who lead the league in rushing 2 of 3 previous years? (Answer: Zeke Elliot).

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Zeke is a good RB but is a product of his offensive line, much like 

Emmit Smith a couple decades ago for the Cowboys.

 

Running backs can't run through 600 lbs of linemen coming through

the lines to meet them, physically impossible. They need open holes.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Rackeen305 said:

1 Question for INDY fans, if Andrew Luck were on the  Cowboys and demanded to be paid top dollars

 

He wouldn't have to demand it because he's a QB.  The Cowboys would pay it without hesitation.

 

Zeke is a RB.  Apples to oranges, friend.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, dodsworth said:

Zeke is a good RB but is a product of his offensive line, much like 

Emmit Smith a couple decades ago for the Cowboys.

 

Running backs can't run through 600 lbs of linemen coming through

the lines to meet them, physically impossible. They need open holes.

Have you ever seen Zeke at Ohio state? He was doing the same thing there as well fyi.

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

He wouldn't have to demand it because he's a QB.  The Cowboys would pay it without hesitation.

 

Zeke is a RB.  Apples to oranges, friend.

Ok, lets make things even more interesting. Were you one of the "Fans" who objected against picking up Khalil Mack when he was let go by the Raiders. You would have known that MACK demanded top $ as well.?

 

I said pay MACK regardless of what he wanted btw. the only thing he did was, during his first game (limited practice time. But we are talking about PRACTICE) create a few sacks, force fumble and TD.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.


  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I bet you are 1000% wrong.   Nelson is the biggest name in the league at G, and it's not even close.  A "bad" Nelson (that gets called for ticky-tack holds that happen on every single NFL play) is still better than 90% of the guards in the NFL.   Your hot-take posts are getting very tiresome.  
    • They have contributed as much their rookie year as the entire group maybe by end of the season, but I doubt there's even a tiny chance of 2 all pros. Even 1 is a major stretch.  I am not sure we have any all pro's on the team since the most deserving one is Buckner (who I count as our first round pick in every way) has impact but no stats to wow anyone not intimately aware of his impact. If he misses this game we may painfully see how valuable.  But their collective impact has certainly added up. 4 starters and 2 solid special teamers in a so far playoff level team is quite a haul for any draft pick class in history.  It is at least adjacent to 2018, unless you don't count Buckner in any way.
    • Nothing against you and I like you as a poster but counting Ballard's 2017 season is a stretch. I realize he was the GM that year (1st year) but he didn't have the Coach he wanted and Luck was out for the year. We went 4-12 that year so his record is a bit skewed because of that. Others have posted the same thing about Ballard's record so you are not the only one and I just don't see how anyone can count that season legitimately. I pretty much go by 2018-this year when he hired Frank and his record would be 25-19 counting the playoffs. Is he the best GM in the league, probably not but he is good. He is responsible for drafting Nelson, Leonard, Mack, signing Houston, signing Rivers and trading for Buckner = great work there. Luck just retiring on the team and McDaniels dissing him even made his job that much harder. 
    • I am late to the party but it doesn't matter because I would've been 1-1 anyway. I had the Lions and Washington so it offsets     Here are my Sunday picks/Monday pick: Ravens 17 Steelers 24 Chargers 19 Bills 27 Titans 27 Colts 30 Panthers 20 Vikings 21 Browns 27 Jags 17 Giants 24 Bengals 10 Cards 27 Pats 23 Dolphins 99 Jets 0 (Fluke's original quote) Saints 24 Broncos 13 49ers 17 Rams 30 Chiefs 34 Bucs 24 Bears 17 Packers 27 Seahawks 31 Eagles 17
    • Yes, love the limited stuff from Harris. I really want to see more routes from him, but overall, love what he's doing. I'd love for him to be a long term answer at slot if Campbell moves to Z.    I'm up in the air on specs. I need to see him hit some long ones, as well as some additional clutch kicks. Glasgow, like I said, I just don't expect much from. Doubt he's ever a contributor on D, but if he kills it on ST, I'm happy.    A buddy of mine (a Ball State grad/fan), thinks Pinter develops into a RT, and the Colts will eventually move Smith over to LT (when AC retires), and let Pinter take RT. I don't know about all that, but I do agree Pinter might develop into more than we think.    I think Pittman will develop into a long term and consistent WR for us. I know he's just starting to emerge, but he just has the look. Good/willing blocker, good hands, etc.. He might not be the 50/50 guy I want, but I also think he might be better at in-stride catching than I thought.    JT, I think he'll be fine once he gets acclimated and use to the run blocking scheme. I don't want to diminish his talent, but most RBs should be able to be successful behind our OL, and he's better than most.    Blackmon is the most interesting to me. He's always been a hammer which I love. He's struggled though in coverage in college, and as we saw, got burnt deep a few games ago. Not sure if he's too aggressive forward, or just struggles with coverage and range. I hope it's just aggressiveness. It definitely helped him when they moved him from CB to S in college, but at the same time, Utah ran a ton of man, which we do not. Love most of what I've seen thus far. I just hope it's not a case where teams get film on him, and start testing him deep a lot. We've been fortunate to play some bad Os early that simply don't go deep a bunch. Will be interesting to follow.
  • Members

×
×
  • Create New...