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I keep wondering about this. He was truly the only decent punt returner this team had last year. Everyone else was a fumble waiting to happen. 

I haven't kept track of how Hines and Campbell have been doing in this role so far in camp. Those are the two guys who IMO would supplant Rogers if they can handle the job. Both are secure in their other jobs as RB and WR; Rogers has to hang on as WR #6 I suspect. 

My guess: Rogers sticks. We keep 6 WRs. 

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Campbell has been off and on with PR. Hines has been doing it but have not seen how he is doing. That might mean he is doing well since we have not heard anything. It will be fun to see how they do in the preseason games.

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5 minutes ago, Caleb3502 said:

Had 53 catches for 485 yards with 2 TDs.  I think he'll stick around for now but I could see them moving on from him if/when the younger players surpass him.  

 

I think we've seen the ceiling from Rogers.  He's a dependable WR and dependable PR.  He's not great, he's not flashy, and I don't think he's got game-changing potential.  However, he does what he's asked to do well.

 

Guys like Ishmael, Fountain, Johnson, etc. (IMO) have more potential than Rogers, but they haven't shown to be as consistent, reliable, or dependable.  I think you're right, unless the younger guys take their potential and make it consistent, Rogers sticks around.

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20 minutes ago, CurBeatElite said:

 

I think we've seen the ceiling from Rogers.  He's a dependable WR and dependable PR.  He's not great, he's not flashy, and I don't think he's got game-changing potential.  However, he does what he's asked to do well.

 

Guys like Ishmael, Fountain, Johnson, etc. (IMO) have more potential than Rogers, but they haven't shown to be as consistent, reliable, or dependable.  I think you're right, unless the younger guys take their potential and make it consistent, Rogers sticks around.

I don't disagree that others have better measureables, and perhaps a higher ceiling. I would say that Rogers has a higher floor than those you've listed though. Rogers does the basics and little things very well, while a lot of the high ceiling folks are raw and struggle with the basics like routes, beating the press, and simply consistency catching the ball. Same on returns... No flash, but he catches the ball and had a top 10ish average IIRC.

 

Also, Rogers made a very nice jump from 2017 to 2018 going from 284 to 485 yards receiving yards, 377 to 706 all purpose. Not having a well rounded X WR made it harder on both TY (who got doubled a lot), and on any WR (typically CR) playing across the middle. With all the pains and challenges (new offense, musical chairs at OL to start the year, musical chairs at X all year, TY's injury), all he did was go out and improve his receiving yards by 71%. He also had a 74% catch rate in the regular season, and 82% in the playoffs.

 

Right now I'm going with 60/40 that he makes the team. 

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Funch and Campbell will replace Grant and Inman from last year.

With TY taking the 3rd spot, that only leaves a couple positions open

for the receiver positions.

 

He played decent last year but if someone overtakes his spot on special

teams he is most likely toast.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Irish YJ said:

I don't disagree that others have better measureables, and perhaps a higher ceiling. I would say that Rogers has a higher floor than those you've listed though. Rogers does the basics and little things very well, while a lot of the high ceiling folks are raw and struggle with the basics like routes, beating the press, and simply consistency catching the ball. Same on returns... No flash, but he catches the ball and had a top 10ish average IIRC.

 

Also, Rogers made a very nice jump from 2017 to 2018 going from 284 to 485 yards receiving yards, 377 to 706 all purpose. 

The bulk of that "jump" was Brissett in 2017 and Luck in 2018.

 But i am a Rogers fan.  I hope he sticks.  He was solid for us down the stretch last year.  And for being smallish, he rarely seems to miss games.

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Just now, dodsworth said:

Funch and Campbell will replace Grant and Inman from last year.

With TY taking the 3rd spot, that only leaves a couple positions open

for the receiver positions.

 

He played decent last year but if someone overtakes his spot on special

teams he is most likely toast.

Grant and Inman played the same position (X). It'd be more accurate to say Funch and Cain are replacing Grant and Inman (and perhaps Pascal). We did keep 3 Xs last year, but not sure that will happen again if both Funch and Cain are healthy.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

The bulk of that "jump" was Brissett in 2017 and Luck in 2018.

 But i am a Rogers fan.  I hope he sticks.  He was solid for us down the stretch last year.  And for being smallish, he rarely seems to miss games.

I think that's a bit of a lazy argument. We can go back to 2016 when Rogers had similar stats (a little less) to 2017 with Luck. Bottom line, remove 17 and JB, and look at the 16 to 18 jump.

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12 minutes ago, MPStack said:

The 4th WR spot smart guy!

Cain is going to make it. Chester is trying to get that fifth spot. 

 

Rogers is ok at that 5th receiver. The problem was last year when we were lacking and needed to be the number 2.

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14 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Cain is going to make it. Chester is trying to get that fifth spot. 

 

Rogers is ok at that 5th receiver. The problem was last year when we were lacking and needed to be the number 2.

 

Roger that moderator 

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26 minutes ago, Irish YJ said:

So you're in Cain denial lol. 

 

Nope, I’m skeptical and don’t wet my pants over a 6th Rd pick camp darling, coming off a ACL injury as a lock. 

 

Please, don’t regurgitate he’s a 2nd Rd talent and the Colts made a Documentary. It’s a matter of opinion. 

 

I know now you and your buddy Chloe run the forum now, but I’m entitled to my opinion.

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4 minutes ago, MPStack said:

 

Nope, I’m skeptical and don’t wet my pants over a 6th Rd pick camp darling, coming off a ACL injury as a lock. 

 

Please, don’t regurgitate he’s a 2nd Rd talent and the Colts made a Documentary. It’s a matter of opinion. 

 

I know now you and your buddy Chloe run the forum now, but I’m entitled to my option.

Lol. The way ballard and Reich talk about him they think he is going to be a star. They aren’t going to cut what they think  is a star until they see what they have when he is fully healthy. If he wasn’t coming off a injury you might be correct. 

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2 minutes ago, MPStack said:

 

Nope, I’m skeptical and don’t wet my pants over a 6th Rd pick camp darling, coming off a ACL injury as a lock. 

 

Please, don’t regurgitate he’s a 2nd Rd talent and the Colts made a Documentary. It’s a matter of opinion. 

 

I know now you and your buddy Chloe run the forum now, but I’m entitled to my option.

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. 

 

FYI - Chloe and I have butted heads several times. While we agree on Cain, there's plenty we don't agree on. And that's fine.

 

I'd say that 80+% of folks would say Cain will be on the 53 if healthy. 

 

Guess we'll see.

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4 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Lol. The way ballard and Reich talk about him they think he is going to be a star. They aren’t going to cut what they think  is a star until they see what they have when he is fully healthy. If he wasn’t coming off a injury you might be correct. 

 

Please don’t ban from the forum!

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6 minutes ago, Irish YJ said:

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. 

 

FYI - Chloe and I have butted heads several times. While we agree on Cain, there's plenty we don't agree on. And that's fine.

 

I'd say that 80+% of folks would say Cain will be on the 53 if healthy. 

 

Guess we'll see.

The only way he won’t be is if he still has a long way to go and they stick him on IR.

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5 minutes ago, Irish YJ said:

 

 

I'd say that 80+% of folks would say Cain will be on the 53 if healthy. 

 

Guess we'll see.

 

80% of the forum said Brissett was getting traded for a pot of gold. I disagreed!

 

A matter of opinion. 

 

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1 hour ago, MPStack said:

 

80% of the forum said Brissett was getting traded for a pot of gold. I disagreed!

 

A matter of opinion. 

 

 

And I respect your opinion. I just disagree. I just find the evidence of him being on the 53 is mounting. Every rook that's doing well is a camp darling for now (including PC). Cain seems to be performing in a more than "healthy" manner. Cain and PC are both getting a ton of good press. And Cain was in arguably a more demanding offensive scheme in college.

 

Good call on JB. I do think they could have traded him if they wanted. Not for a pot of gold though. I think CB built up his public love/value too much to create a possible trade. And possibly wasn't willing to trade him at all.

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1 hour ago, Chloe6124 said:

The only way he won’t be is if he still has a long way to go and they stick him on IR.

 

I agree. Short of injury, or dropping every pass in the pre season, he'll be on the roster. 

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It's easy to get distracted by the shiny button. WR is one position that experience truly counts when times are tough...on the road...with a substitute QB, or unforeseen conditions. Rogers has some experience that others have yet to obtain. We will see. 

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3 minutes ago, Luck 4 president said:

1 TY

2 funchess

3 campbell

4 Cain 

5 pascal 

6 Rogers 

 

thats how how I see it playing out IF we keep 6. If Hines or Campbell can show some consistency in the return game then Rogers becomes expendable and we will only keep 5. 

 

I think it's going to be interesting, and a very tough decision regardless.

 

In your scenario, and we keep 5 and Rogers is cut, what happens if Campbell or TY gets hurt. How do they fill out X, Slot, and Z? Feel free to use PS predictions in your answer.

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5 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

I think that's a bit of a lazy argument. We can go back to 2016 when Rogers had similar stats (a little less) to 2017 with Luck. Bottom line, remove 17 and JB, and look at the 16 to 18 jump.

Lazy?  Nothing lazy about simple math.  Chester's production rose about 60%.  Luck's yardage was 66% higher than Brissett.  So yes, i believe the BULK of the "improvement" was Luck.  Much like Peyton "padded" some receiver's numbers.

  That said, i think, due in part to injuries,  he saw action in 16 games, versus 11 in 2017.   Also catches  went from 23 in'17 to 53 in '18.  Targets went from 37 to 72 in '18.

  I believe Chester has indeed improved (as a player should), but i think the biggest factor in his improvement is a guy named Andrew.

 

Hitlon went from 966 to 1270 yards as a comparison.

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Rogers is overrated by this forum.

 

Anyone who watches the games, he was a non-factor in the return game. 80+% of his catches, he fair catches, or returns for minimal yardage.

 

I'd rather take a chance at Fountain and fail, then settle for a mediocre former.

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22 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

Lazy?  Nothing lazy about simple math.  Chester's production rose about 60%.  Luck's yardage was 66% higher than Brissett.  So yes, i believe the BULK of the "improvement" was Luck.  Much like Peyton "padded" some receiver's numbers.

  That said, i think, due in part to injuries,  he saw action in 16 games, versus 11 in 2017.   Also catches  went from 23 in'17 to 53 in '18.  Targets went from 37 to 72 in '18.

  I believe Chester has indeed improved (as a player should), but i think the biggest factor in his improvement is a guy named Andrew.

 

Hitlon went from 966 to 1270 yards as a comparison.

 

Like I said, remove 17 and compare 16 to 18 if you want to remove the JB factor. The story is the same, with Luck as the QB both years.

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