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Good Culture is helping guys like Collins

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Anyone remember Ballard talking about how he hopes the colts can build a culture here where we can bring in guys that may be troubled and it could help them turn their lives around because of the good character of the team. I find it interesting this philosophy might already be working. I see Jaylon Collins hanging out with Kenny Moore and Desir a lot on IG. He is at Moore’s camp this weekend with Desir. Also have seen Kelly hanging with a couple great guys. Maybe we are at the point Ballard was talking abut. Hopefully If guys like Collins don’t make the team the influences of guys like Moore will help him stay on the right path and he will make another team.

 

Not much to talk about and thought this could be a interesting conversation.

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Collins was the first "problem child" that the Front Office brought in. 

 

He kept his nose to the grindstone and earned a call up at the end of the season.

 

Kept his nose clean all off-season and pre-season so far. 

 

I, for one, would love to see the former 2nd rounder make the squad and return to his former skill level. 

 

We'll see how the second iteration goes with Chad Kelly this season.

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I don’t think Ballard would ever take the chance on a player with domestic abuse problems. I don’t think okereke qualifies.

 

I just love that we have guys that can show others how to stay out of trouble and how to be a pro. Seeing guys like Moore get rewarded has to help guys like Collins stay on the right path. 

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I think the missing element about this FO and bringing in a potential locker room cancer is much simpler than Collins or Kelly.

 

The bad apples that they are worried about are high dollar, prima donna free agents who won't work as hard as the young guys and won't buy into the team concept.

 

Collins and Kelly are easy - if they slip up in the least they cut them and move on. Not so easily done with a well paid free agent.

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Yes you are right about that. Even though Collins isn’t costing much it is still nice to see guys like Moore embrace him and show him the way.

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On 6/22/2019 at 7:51 PM, Chloe6124 said:

I don’t think Ballard would ever take the chance on a player with domestic abuse problems. I don’t think okereke qualifies.

 

I just love that we have guys that can show others how to stay out of trouble and how to be a pro. Seeing guys like Moore get rewarded has to help guys like Collins stay on the right path. 

 

It sounds like Collins was trying to surround himself with better support prior to joining Indy, but yes, it's great that we've got enough high-character guys on this team who can help keep him clean.  https://www.colts.com/news/jalen-collins-grateful-for-the-opportunity-with-colts

 

I tend to agree with you regarding who Ballard considers 'bad apples.'  Kelly was dismissed from Clemson because he snapped at coaches after being benched as a sophomore in a Spring Game (and then got in a 'minor fender-bender' in the team's parking lot, which did not lead to any police report -- sounds like he was heated when he left and probably drove a little recklessly).  Prior to joining Clemson, Kelly did send a few tweets or social media messages suggesting he was going to come in and win the starting position right away.  He was ~17-19 years old when these incidents occurred.  Sure, they're not great, but I imagine being a very highly-touted prospect and the nephew of a HOF QB comes with quite a bit of stress, especially at that age.  Not that those were great incidents, but it doesn't necessarily make him a bad person (kind of like you eluded to, these incidents are nowhere near as serious as domestic violence or endangering a child, etc.). 

 

When he was 21, Kelly got in a scuffle with some bouncers at a nightclub in his home town.  Again, not a great incident, but keep in mind he was 21 and was probably going through some hard times as he was being scrutinized nationally for recently being kicked off Clemson and probably had a bit too much to drink with some of his hometown friends.  Not that getting in a scuffle in a nightclub is a good thing, but there are a LOT of 21 year olds who get in scuffles when they've had too much to drink and no big deal is made of it because they're 'normal' kids, not highly touted football players with a celebrity uncle.  Of course,  being a 'star' comes with responsibility and you'd like to think kids know enough to keep themselves under the radar, but I don't think it's an incident which makes him an evil person.

 

Then, when he was 23-24 he left a Halloween party at Von Miller's house and stumbled into the wrong house.  He didn't steal anything from the house or attempt to injure anyone in the house, from all accounts I've read... he simply had too much to drink and went in and sat on a couch, got chased out by the husband in the house and then went and slept in his SUV.  Again, not a great incident, but I don't think it's something which makes him a terrible person.  Sounds like the kid needs to understand his limits in terms of partying a bit better, but if he wasn't an NFL football player, that charge would be a pretty common thing to read in a police blotter in a large city like that.  He needs to understand, he's going to get more scrutiny as an NFL athlete and due to his past and his ties to Jim Kelly... and it sounds as though he's gotten some counseling and is doing his best to stay away from situations like that in the future.  

 

Ballard and his staff always seem to do their due diligence before bringing players into this team.  The fact that Reich and J. Kelly were teammates for just under a decade probably also helped Chad Kelly in this situation.  I imagine Reich has known Chad for a long time (probably since he was a toddler) and had some conversations with Jim to get assurance that Chad is trying to clean up his act.  While not all of his actions were the greatest, he doesn't seem to have done anything that would be a huge deal and make him a terrible human being if he was just an average Joe.

 

Jalen Collins' suspensions it sounds like were 2x for smoking weed and 2x for PEDs.  Not great decisions, but again, those aren't things that make him a terrible person.  And as @Scott Pennock said, it's easy, if he slips up again, we release him and move on (well, if he slips up for PEDs again, we won't have to deal with him, the NFL will suspend him for 2 years and by that time, he'll probably be too old to come back and compete for an NFL roster spot).  To be honest, I am more concerned with the PED use than the weed from a young man in the NFL... but I don't know all the circumstances (e.g., did he just not do his research and took a supplement on the banned list by accident (this seems to happen a lot, and in other sports you are starting to see guys winning cases by proving they accidentally took a tainted substance)? was he battling a nagging injury and took something to try to help recover faster (this also happens, e.g., Andy Pettite admitted he took PEDs several times in his career, but moreso for recovery than to enhance his performance, like being put on the 10 day -DL instead of the 60 day-DL)?  Or did he actually knowingly try to cheat by taking substances to give him a major advantage over other players (all these guys take supplements, but there are supplements which are more advantageous than others)?).  I would be more worried if this guy is actually a major cheater who felt he didn't have enough raw ability to play in this league to the point he had to take banned substances... but he already is well aware, if he screws up again, his NFL days are over.

 

In terms of Okerere, Ballard and others have already said numerous times that they did their due diligence about his alleged incident and talked to his coaches and others around him and found no reason not to bring the guy to Indy.  

 

If allegations turn out to be true, I doubt Ballard would bring in a guy like Tyreek Hill.  Maybe it's just my opinion, but assaulting your spouse or your child are way more serious issues about someone's character than smoking weed, pulling a McAfee and falling into a canal, or having too much to drink and accidentally stumbling into the wrong place (especially without attacking anyone or vandalizing the place).  I, for one, am happy Ballard isn't against giving guys who have not done anything very seriously wrong another chance.  Like Ballard says "Kids make mistakes."  

 

 

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