Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

MTC

Colts draft Khari Willis, SS, Michigan State

Recommended Posts

Im kinda so so on this one. Will wait and see. Ballard said they were actually thinking about drafting him in the 3rd round.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

Good ones get promoted and eventually become GM's one day ( Chris Ballard ).  Others become TV personalities...

 

Besides, the meetings where you have to report in front of the GM, directors, and other scouts.  Then the discussions/debates begin.  It's never about 1 scout.

and a lot of GMs get fired after they get promoted. 

area scouts are responsible for a group of guys, and they "sell" leadership on that guy. Ballard used to be the SW Scout for the Bears. his boss said he was great at selling "his" guys. it's never about one scout, but one scout is basically reporting out on a guy, and if he sells good (like Ballard), he has a lot to do with it. we're way off tangent..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It seems the Colts care more about the SS in this D being a great tackler and being good in coverage, but not necessarily a big int guy. If thats true then the pick makes some sense.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, krunk said:

It seems the Colts care more about the SS in this D being a great tackler and being good in coverage, but not necessarily a big int guy. If thats true then the pick makes some sense.

 

Well, if you can get a SS that is both good at stopping the run AND being good in coverage, you should be pretty happy, right? Not that many interceptions coming from most SS anyway. I wonder about whether his speed is up there, however?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, csmopar said:

He was a late 4th to Mid 5th by most “expert” sources. So a bit of a reach but not drastically 

 

You are not alone here and not just singling you out but these comments make me crazy.  A "reach" according to whom?

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:

 

Well, if you can get a SS that is both good at stopping the run AND being good in coverage, you should be pretty happy, right? Not that many interceptions coming from most SS anyway. I wonder about whether his speed is up there, however?

I think 4.5 maybe

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To jump up 20 spots he must have been sitting way atop Ballards board at the time he made the trade.  Kiper had him as his 50th. overall prospect.  Looks like another great move by Ballard. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
24 minutes ago, krunk said:

I think 4.5 maybe

 

In pads?

 

I would look at playing speed, not just the underwear Olympics.  If a guy covers 5 yards in 2 steps (at full sprint) in pads, he 'plays' right about at 4.5 speed.  Of course that shows covering just over 5 yards in 2 strides is sub 4.5 and under 5 yards in 2 strides is above 4.5

 

Scouting tip I learned.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

To jump up 20 spots he must have been sitting way atop Ballards board at the time he made the trade.  Kiper had him as his 50th. overall prospect.  Looks like another great move by Ballard. 

 

I've heard from a few (ex) GM's that sometimes their board lights up with a guy that is way above the others on your board at the beginning of some later rounds.  So to have lots of picks left to bundle to move up there and get that guy is a bonus in those cases.  Seems that case presented itself to Ballard.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The more I think about it, the more likely I think they want him to be a starter. In other words > they hope he can outplay Gathers in our scheme.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

In pads?

 

I would look at playing speed, not just the underwear Olympics.  If a guy covers 5 yards in 2 steps (at full sprint) in pads, he 'plays' right about at 4.5 speed.  Of course that shows covering just over 5 yards in 2 strides is sub 4.5 and under 5 yards in 2 strides is above 4.5

 

Scouting tip I learned.

No im just talking about whatever his official 40 may have been. Im not sure what he really ran. I thought i heard 4.5.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, krunk said:

It seems the Colts care more about the SS in this D being a great tackler and being good in coverage, but not necessarily a big int guy. If thats true then the pick makes some sense.

yup. and in that sense i'm warming up to the guy. i guess it was either him later, or abram early. i still like some of the guys that were still available whom i thought were more well rounded, but he's a better scheme fit (we'll) see, then I'm good. and i really didn't think abram (who i thought was also limited) was worth a first.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, jskinnz said:

 

You are not alone here and not just singling you out but these comments make me crazy.  A "reach" according to whom?

 

 

 

 

Keep reading...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Keep reading...

 

I’ve read all I need to read to know at point is pointless. 

 

Where the Kipers of the world have him ranked is meaningless. Clearly the Colts had him ranked higher which is all that matters. So by definition is it not a reach. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, jskinnz said:

 

I’ve read all I need to read to know at point is pointless. 

 

Where the Kipers of the world have him ranked is meaningless. Clearly the Colts had him ranked higher which is all that matters. So by definition is it not a reach. 

I explained my thoughts on it already. Prior to your question of my post. It’s few posts before yours. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:

The more I think about it, the more likely I think they want him to be a starter. In other words > they hope he can outplay Gathers in our scheme.

 

Geathers is basically on a 1 year 'prove it' deal.  That is prove he can stay healthy and play at a high level all season.

 

I think Willis and Geathers have a lot of similarities.  Willis, IMO, is a little better in coverage, but both are really box safeties who are built thick and are sure tacklers.

 

I have a feeling they will be on the field together quite a bit with one of them playing kind of a dime LB/hybrid S and the other back in coverage.

 

I like the pick a lot.  A tough kid, a good kid, a solid tackler, pretty good in coverage.  Not the most athletic guy in the draft, but it seems like his fundamentals are down and he's got a great head on his shoulders.

 

If nothing else, I think he's going to be a very solid ST player and a team leader in the very near future.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 4/27/2019 at 11:11 PM, krunk said:

Im kinda so so on this one. Will wait and see. Ballard said they were actually thinking about drafting him in the 3rd round.

I feel the same way. I watched some of Willis' game highlights and don't see anything really special. Yes, he has high character, but I would have preferred Abrams, Savage or Hooker. I really don't get moving up for him, but I suspect that out preferred picks got snatched a couple of times in this draft and many of these selections (except for Paris) were not out first choices.

As far as SS goes, the UDFA we picked up from Miss State has a better highlight reel in my opinion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Chad Henry, Midwest Scout for our Colts has this to say about Mr. Willis. Long story short, don't put this guy in a box. (I'm here all week, folks.)

 

"Guys who are calling him a "box safety" are doing him a disservice. They played him all over the place (at Michigan State). I think he’s most natural in the box, but the kid is so smart – I’m gonna sound like a broken record here – but his character, he’s probably one of the three or four best guys I did this year (out of 300). He’s a unique human being. The city of Indianapolis is going to love him every bit as (much as) the Indianapolis Colts are, and that’s going to transfer into his football character. He’s really smart. The coaches really trusted him up there.

You see him not only in the box, but also free safety. He’s in the nickel. He’s played on the slot. And he did a pretty good job of that. I think he’s faster than a lot of people give him credit for. I think he ran in the 4.4s, and he’s a very well-rounded player in terms of ... I was always taught a long time ago: Slow safeties usually get you beat, dumb safeties always get you beat. He’s the polar opposite of both."

 

That being said, I think you could see Willis get action all throughout the backfield as the season progresses. Will be interesting to see how all of the new guys filter into the scheme. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • The Steelers are playing with their 2nd stringer also...
    • There is also two other WRs at the bottom of the screen coming open on that same play. Smh. Options everywhere
    • I hope you’ll be proven right.  I fear you won’t.   I will say that teams like JAX and TEN had more invested in their high first-round picks Bortles and Mariota than the Colts do in JB, who we traded for in a moment of immediate need.   That said, it just seems more common in the league to wait too long based on a belief that a player’s full potential is high and just around the corner.
    • they are in the playoff hunt, but not many people think they will win a super bowl.  most of the top teams have really good QBs
    • What I'm getting at, though, is that regardless of his circumstances, it's possible to evaluate a QB on the basis of his performance, abilities, traits, and perceived potential to improve. That's my viewpoint.   Of course, the rougher the circumstances and the greater the number of variables, the more complicated the evaluation becomes. But while the receivers haven't been great, we can still look at JB and see what he does well and what he doesn't do well, we can reach reasonable conclusions about why he excels or struggles in certain areas, and we can project whether he can reasonably improve and become a player worthy of an investment of time and money, and worthy of building around. Sure, it's somewhat complicated, but it's not all that difficult, IMO.   What the Colts do at QB in the offseason will depend, to a large degree, on their evaluation of JB. I am confident that they will not say 'well, JB had a rough set of circumstances, let's wait and see what he does next year.' If they strongly feel that he's good enough to build around, that will affect how seriously they pursue other options at the position. But if they aren't sold on him, I don't think they'll just say 'let's give him another year, let's give him another year.' 
  • Members

    • coltsblue1844

      coltsblue1844 359

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Archer

      Archer 1,089

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • GoColts00

      GoColts00 380

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • ColtStrong2013

      ColtStrong2013 1,500

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • strt182

      strt182 330

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • KelownaColtsFan

      KelownaColtsFan 82

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • TheMiz

      TheMiz 165

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • twfish

      twfish 1,711

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Flash7

      Flash7 2,496

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • GoColts8818

      GoColts8818 9,297

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
×
×
  • Create New...