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Seems like a lot to give up to move up in the 4th.  Must be someone they really believe in.

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Thought it'd be Hooker but oh well.

Box safety, great character guy. Average athlete below average speed. Nothing really jumps out about him other than character praise.

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1 minute ago, NannyMcafee said:

They just traded their second pick in this round to Oak. 

It's alright. This is a solid pick.

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Just now, Valpo2004 said:

Seems like a lot to give up to move up in the 4th.  Must be someone they really believe in.

He's a box safety that doesn't miss tackles. Fits our scheme perfectly.

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1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

It's alright. This is a solid pick.

I like the fact they only gave the two 4ths

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Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

He's a box safety that doesn't miss tackles. Fits our scheme perfectly.

 

Can he cover?  Cause Geathers doesn't really miss tackles either, he just has problems with coverage.

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Just now, PrincetonTiger said:

I like the fact they only gave the two 4ths

I thought it might of been a slight overpay value-chart wise, but I like the player.

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4 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

Seems like a lot to give up to move up in the 4th.  Must be someone they really believe in.

They must really like him.

 

 

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I think he's more of a great teammate than a good player. I thought he had 6th-7th round value. He's not beating out Clayton Geathers or Matthias Farley any time soon. 

 

He's a good fit for this defense, but I think they fell in love with the character and picked him too early. He provides nothing in coverage at all man to man on RBs, TEs, and slot receivers.

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1 minute ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

Can he cover?  Cause Geathers doesn't really miss tackles either, he just has problems with coverage.

Not sure how well tbh. I hope so.

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6 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

Seems like a lot to give up to move up in the 4th.  Must be someone they really believe in.

What’d we give up

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If they (CB) really liked him I’m glad they went and got him. 

 

Get somebody you love rather than two  picks later.

 

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Not a huge fan. Seems like a guy with limited upside and versatility. 

 

Selfishly, I hate that they don’t have that other pick now. Lots of guys are going to be there.

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1 minute ago, Bluefire4 said:

I think he's more of a great teammate than a good player. I thought he had 6th-7th round value. He's not beating out Clayton Geathers or Matthias Farley any time soon. 

 

He's a good fit for this defense, but I think they fell in love with the character and picked him too early.

He was a late 4th to Mid 5th by most “expert” sources. So a bit of a reach but not drastically 

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Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

both 4ths.

Meh not terrible

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1 minute ago, Smonroe said:

 

I was listening to nfl channel o Sirius.  They said he was the S that all the TEs had the hardest time against.  They loved the pick and how Ballard is building the team. 

So did the ESPN crew

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1 minute ago, Smonroe said:

 

I was listening to nfl channel o Sirius.  They said he was the S that all the TEs had the hardest time against.  They loved the pick and how Ballard is building the team. 

 

Music to my ears...

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1 minute ago, Smonroe said:

 

I was listening to nfl channel o Sirius.  They said he was the S that all the TEs had the hardest time against.  They loved the pick and how Ballard is building the team. 

This explains it. Both Ballard and Kiper were high on him. I like that.

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He’s great in coverage against tight ends. Something we struggle against badly. 

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1 minute ago, csmopar said:

He was a late 4th to Mid 5th by most “expert” sources. So a bit of a reach but not drastically 

Yeah I was saying he was a 6th-7th round pick in my opinion watching Michigan State games. He could prove me wrong but I don't see it. Would definitely rather have Hooker or Deionte Thompson.

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Ballard's stressed it time and time again, especially recently, but he loves his high character guys.  Obviously they liked him on the field enough to trade up for him, but I definitely believe character played a part in our apparently high interest in him.

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1 minute ago, BOTT said:

I highly doubt Ballard traded up because the guy is a great teammate.

More than likely he was his top S and there was a fear of a run on Safety

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1 minute ago, BOTT said:

I highly doubt Ballard traded up because the guy is a great teammate.

 

Agreed, he has to be someone Ballard thinks will help the team on the field.  Likely as a replacement for Geathers.

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3 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

I was listening to nfl channel o Sirius.  They said he was the S that all the TEs had the hardest time against.  They loved the pick and how Ballard is building the team. 

Here’s his draft profile...

 

 

Pre-Draft Analysis

Willis is a thick safety with below-average length and average speed. He's a downhill run defender who takes sound angles and is effective playing close to the line of scrimmage. He's instinctive and runs well enough to cover a deep half. He limits production after the catch. He's not a centerfielder, he doesn't have the cover skills to regularly match up with slot receivers and his frame raises concern about his ability to cover tight ends.

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2 minutes ago, BOTT said:

I highly doubt Ballard traded up because the guy is a great teammate.

Obviously they see something I don't. Hoping for the best. He has the work ethic, but I don't think he has the ability.

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2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Here’s his draft profile...

 

 

Pre-Draft Analysis

Willis is a thick safety with below-average length and average speed. He's a downhill run defender who takes sound angles and is effective playing close to the line of scrimmage. He's instinctive and runs well enough to cover a deep half. He limits production after the catch. He's not a centerfielder, he doesn't have the cover skills to regularly match up with slot receivers and his frame raises concern about his ability to cover tight ends.

That Report match up with what everyone else is saying 

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2 minutes ago, ProblChld32 said:

With Hooker still available I’m really shocked with this move.

Hooker has character concerns. We were never touching him.

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the 1st draft pick i’m underwhelmed about but Ballard wanted him so he gets a pass

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    • NFL.com's Profile   Draft Grade: 5.30 NFL BACKUP OR SPECIAL TEAMS POTENTIAL Draft Projection: Round 5 College: Mich St Position: S Height: 5-11 Weight: 213 40 Time: 4.52     BIO: Willis was named the Ann Arbor News Michigan High School Player of the Year in 2014 as a running back after he covered nearly 3,000 yards on the ground and scored 31 touchdowns. He didn't end up at Ann Arbor for college, signing with Sparty. Willis started 3 of 9 games played as a true freshman (11 tackles), but his season ended before the Big Ten Championship Game due to a broken foot. He started one game in 2016, making 30 tackles in 11 contests overall. An opening occurred in MSU's secondary for 2017, and Willis took advantage. He garnered honorable mention All-Big Ten honors that season, accumulating 71 tackles, 5.5 for loss, four sacks, two interceptions, and three pass breakups. He repeated his honorable mention all-conference performance as a senior, posting 84 tackles, two interceptions, and 10 pass breakups in 13 starts for the Spartans.   Overview: Team leader known for his leadership and work ethic, Willis has been a reliable performer with a good nose for the football. However, he's an average athlete with below-average speed who needs to keep plays in front of him, so finding a roster spot on the next level could be a challenge. His high football character and consistent effort level, give him a shot at finding work as a backup with special teams value .   Strengths: Praised for exceptional character Good size with compact build and desired play strength Plays with consistent motor and effort all game long Runs the alley with accurate map to the ball carrier Reliable and plays under control Reads quarterback's eyes for early indicators in coverage Sees the entire field from deep safety Handled some slot cover duties in sub-packages Good awareness from short zone and responds quickly to throws   Weaknesses: Below-average athlete lacking explosiveness Top-end speed is a concern Struggles to range over the top from deep zone Slow to open hips and sprint with early speed Tight strider with below-average burst to close Limited lateral agility to maintain man coverage Very modest ball production    
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