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7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

In my 7 years here,  I don't recall being more wrong than I have today.     And I'm OK with it.   I never think I know more than Ballard.   I have complete trust in CB, and it would take a long string of failure for me to lose it.    And I don't see that happening.   As I've said before,  he just oozes competence and professionalism.     So glad he's our GM.

 

But to all my mistakes.    We can start at the beginning...   for roughly 6 months I've been convinced we'd pick a DL in the first round,  and for a fair amount of those months,  I thought we'd double up and take another DL at pick 34.      Wrong and Wrong!    And I certainly never saw our first overall pick of the draft being a cornerback?!    Cornerback?!?   Wrong again!   I guess Ballard's definition of "Premium position" is limited only to the first round.   Ballard has now had 3 drafts and take a corner in the 2nd round twice.   Can't be a coincidence.  I would've thought that a top-50 pick would be premium.   Wrong again!    So, for those posters who I have pounded on,  trust me,  it will STOP from here on out.   After R1,  I guess anything is possible.

 

At pick 49,  I didn't see Ben Benogu going that high.   And I posted here that I thought he'd play DE for us.   And then the Colts called him an OLB.   And Kevin Bowen said we talked to him about playing next to Darius Leonard.    At his presser,  Ballard said BB can play all 3 LB spots, plus DE and could even kick inside to DT.    Called him a "rusher".     They're very high on him.    Tested as a top athlete for his size. 

 

At pick 59,  I wasn't surprised we went WR.   But I had no feel for whether we'd go tall like Butler, or small like Isabella,  or someone in the middle?  No idea.    Ballard and Reich gushed over Parris.  

 

And, even as a Stanford fan,  I confess to being surprised at Bobby Okereke going at pick 89.   I posted in the last month or two, that I thought Bobby was a quality back-up,  but wasn't sure he was a starter,  especially for us since I think he'd play the same spot as Darius at WILL.  I thought he might be a R4 or R5 guy.   But tonight.  CB says Okereke can play all three spots, which surprised me.    Bobby has been mostly an under-achiever at Stanford.   Even this year, his best,  people were not wowed by him.   He was listed at 6'3" and 235,  and those close to the program chuckled all the time about that.   They claimed he was neither that tall, nor that heavy.    And then he showed up at the Combine and under 6'2", so he was shorter,  but weighed 239.   That shocked everyone.   I'd guess he put on 8-12 pounds of good lean muscle after the season.  That also surprised the Stanford community.    He tested surprisingly well at the combine and pro day.    And Ballard seems very high on him.

 

Ballard talked tonight about adding, speed and athleticism.   He and Frank seem very happy with their results.    They gave no hints for tomorrow.

 

I'm eating crow.   A little garlic salt helps!    Washing it down with water.   Topping it off with some Humble Pie!      Bon Appetite!

 

 

 

Yeah, I said early he may take a CB first because they may fall to us, and it happened. Sometimes logic, and adapting to the draft, are the things that win out in the end. In any case, I'm glad Ballard beat the Cornerback run, and enjoy that crow! :thmup:

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I think it's fair to say, you're not the only one that was wrong. All the experts were wrong. Most fans were wrong. 

 

I'll never be a guy who thinks a GM is omnipotent until he has a solid track record of 5+ years........, so I have no problem saying this draft was pretty meh. It had many chances to be much better. 

 

I'll just be happy with what I can be happy with, be optimistic that the picks that I like will do well, and hope the picks that I don't like will prove me wrong.

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@NewColtsFan good post. Noone here can be perfect with our assumptions when we don't have perfect information of what Ballard/the league is thinking. We can only strive to get better with our understanding of what Ballard is trying to do and every free agency period and every draft gives us more and more sample to form a coherent strategy. One of the reasons I thought CB early was an option is precisely because I didn't think the sample of 2 drafts is enough to conclude what he likes or doesn't like so I ended up prioritizing other information we have(his background, his hirings in personnel(Dodds), him drafting a prototypical single high safety, etc)

 

Anyways... I wanted to point out something about Okereke. Our system relies heavily on athleticism and on our LBs being extremely fast and flying all over the field. IMO weight is not very important for our system. Just an example - last year Leonard measured at 234 at the combine. LBs almost always bulk up for the combine, because they think more teams will consider them for their team if they have a more universal for the league size for the position. Last month Leonard shared with Indy media that he played last season at about 220 and that he wants to be in that 220-225 range for next season too and that the speed is more important for him in this system. My point is... even for MIKE and SAM IMO the premium is on speed, rather than on ability to fight the hog mollies in the run game. This is why I loved both him and Okereke for us. Just like Ballard said - they can play both WILL and MIKE and even SAM if for some reason we need them to. IMO Okereke will drop to the 220-225 range too and will not have a problem playing at that weight at MIKE and WILL. 

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1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

In my 7 years here,  I don't recall being more wrong than I have today.     And I'm OK with it.   I never think I know more than Ballard.   I have complete trust in CB, and it would take a long string of failure for me to lose it.    And I don't see that happening.   As I've said before,  he just oozes competence and professionalism.     So glad he's our GM.

 

But to all my mistakes.    We can start at the beginning...   for roughly 6 months I've been convinced we'd pick a DL in the first round,  and for a fair amount of those months,  I thought we'd double up and take another DL at pick 34.      Wrong and Wrong!    And I certainly never saw our first overall pick of the draft being a cornerback?!    Cornerback?!?   Wrong again!   I guess Ballard's definition of "Premium position" is limited only to the first round.   Ballard has now had 3 drafts and take a corner in the 2nd round twice.   Can't be a coincidence.  I would've thought that a top-50 pick would be premium.   Wrong again!    So, for those posters who I have pounded on,  trust me,  it will STOP from here on out.   After R1,  I guess anything is possible.

 

At pick 49,  I didn't see Ben Benogu going that high.   And I posted here that I thought he'd play DE for us.   And then the Colts called him an OLB.   And Kevin Bowen said we talked to him about playing next to Darius Leonard.    At his presser,  Ballard said BB can play all 3 LB spots, plus DE and could even kick inside to DT.    Called him a "rusher".     They're very high on him.    Tested as a top athlete for his size. 

 

At pick 59,  I wasn't surprised we went WR.   But I had no feel for whether we'd go tall like Butler, or small like Isabella,  or someone in the middle?  No idea.    Ballard and Reich gushed over Parris.  

 

And, even as a Stanford fan,  I confess to being surprised at Bobby Okereke going at pick 89.   I posted in the last month or two, that I thought Bobby was a quality back-up,  but wasn't sure he was a starter,  especially for us since I think he'd play the same spot as Darius at WILL.  I thought he might be a R4 or R5 guy.   But tonight.  CB says Okereke can play all three spots, which surprised me.    Bobby has been mostly an under-achiever at Stanford.   Even this year, his best,  people were not wowed by him.   He was listed at 6'3" and 235,  and those close to the program chuckled all the time about that.   They claimed he was neither that tall, nor that heavy.    And then he showed up at the Combine and under 6'2", so he was shorter,  but weighed 239.   That shocked everyone.   I'd guess he put on 8-12 pounds of good lean muscle after the season.  That also surprised the Stanford community.    He tested surprisingly well at the combine and pro day.    And Ballard seems very high on him.

 

Ballard talked tonight about adding, speed and athleticism.   He and Frank seem very happy with their results.    They gave no hints for tomorrow.

 

I'm eating crow.   A little garlic salt helps!    Washing it down with water.   Topping it off with some Humble Pie!      Bon Appetite!

 

 

 

 

NCF, I thought Ya-Sin and Campbell were GREAT picks.  Ben and Bobby.....not so much.  But I'll gladly and happily  join you at the table a few months from now. 

 

Right now though, as hard as I'm trying to find game tapes from last year that might make me feel better about those two, well, I'm not sure the naysayers are wrong this time.  Banogu especially looks terrible as a #2 pick pass rusher (though I was a bit relieved to hear CB say he might be used in other ways).  We'll see.... 

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I’m at the table with you NCF. I never thought we’d go CB with the first pick even with it being at the top of the 2nd.  I was happy to see Ballard and Co add to what I thought was a thin group of LB’s. Although BB was a head scratcher for me I am interested to see how we use him. 

 

I can’t wait to see what happens tomorrow. There are some guys still out there on DL I thought we’d have interest in. Omenihu and Wren for sure then  Jackson Jelks and Crosby are still there. Crosby had a good showing at the combine. I like him and JJ probably more then most 

 

We can still have big name options at S with Thompson, Hooker and maybe the biggest surprise for me Gardner-Johnson all available. Man I mocked GJ to us at 34 and he’s still there day 3. I’d still love to get him but what am I missing? 

 

I like what’s still available and I really like that we have 2 picks in the 4th and 5th rounds tomorrow.  

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7 minutes ago, akcolt said:

I’m at the table with you NCF. I never thought we’d go CB with the first pick even with it being at the top of the 2nd.  I was happy to see Ballard and Co add to what I thought was a thin group of LB’s. Although BB was a head scratcher for me I am interested to see how we use him. 

 

I can’t wait to see what happens tomorrow. There are some guys still out there on DL I thought we’d have interest in. Omenihu and Wren for sure then  Jackson Jelks and Crosby are still there. Crosby had a good showing at the combine. I like him and JJ probably more then most 

 

We can still have big name options at S with Thompson, Hooker and maybe the biggest surprise for me Gardner-Johnson all available. Man I mocked GJ to us at 34 and he’s still there day 3. I’d still love to get him but what am I missing? 

 

I like what’s still available and I really like that we have 2 picks in the 4th and 5th rounds tomorrow.  

 

I don't know what it is,  but there appears to be some negative buzz about GJ...    perhaps attitude or character?     Not quite sure....

 

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One thing I did/do like about our approach.     Defense!    Defense!    And more defense!

 

I was hoping for at least three defensive picks out of four,  and that happened.

 

Great.   Defense travels.    Defense works on the road,  and it works in the winter when weather plays a factor.    I'm still hoping for more defense on Day 3, (but some offense, too)   and I'm sure I'll want some offense next year as well.

 

We are not done!

 

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@NewColtsFan, I did not have us taking any of the guys we have taken either. I think most of us are surprised with the draft so far but Ballard is unpredictable. Having said that I like it so far, I had to go bed early last night so I just seen we took Campbell at 59 which is a good pick. We also now have LB depth and potentially a solid CB. We will just have to wait and see how these guys pan out but the potential is there with the guys we have taken.

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4 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

@NewColtsFan, I did not have us taking any of the guys we have taken either. I think most of us are surprised with the draft so far but Ballard is unpredictable. Having said that I like it so far, I had to go bed early last night so I just seen we took Campbell at 59 which is a good pick. We also now have LB depth and potentially a solid CB. We will just have to wait and see how these guys pan out but the potential is there with the guys we have taken.

I knew we were taking Banogu before the draft and was very high on him. Rock Ya-Sin and Parris Campbell were my 3rd favorites WR and CB. I heard of our 3rd rounder (won't spoil him to you), and was mocking him to us later in mocks. He has a great comparison. Also an extra 5th this year and 2nd next year. Ballard predicted the runs at cb and wr and we did well. Check out the press conference!

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5 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I knew we were taking Banogu before the draft and was very high on him. Rock Ya-Sin and Parris Campbell were my 3rd favorites WR and CB. I heard of our 3rd rounder (won't spoil him to you), and was mocking him to us later in mocks. He has a great comparison. Also an extra 5th this year and 2nd next year. Ballard predicted the runs at cb and wr and we did well. Check out the press conference!

I can't wait to see Campbell on our carpet in Indy. He is lightning fast. Stick him in the slot along with TY and Funch and Ebron.

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4 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Yeah, I said early he may take a CB first because they may fall to us, and it happened. Sometimes logic, and adapting to the draft, are the things that win out in the end. In any case, I'm glad Ballard beat the Cornerback run, and enjoy that crow! :thmup:

 

4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

In my 7 years here,  I don't recall being more wrong than I have today.     And I'm OK with it.   I never think I know more than Ballard.   I have complete trust in CB, and it would take a long string of failure for me to lose it.    And I don't see that happening.   As I've said before,  he just oozes competence and professionalism.     So glad he's our GM.

 

But to all my mistakes.    We can start at the beginning...   for roughly 6 months I've been convinced we'd pick a DL in the first round,  and for a fair amount of those months,  I thought we'd double up and take another DL at pick 34.      Wrong and Wrong!    And I certainly never saw our first overall pick of the draft being a cornerback?!    Cornerback?!?   Wrong again!   I guess Ballard's definition of "Premium position" is limited only to the first round.   Ballard has now had 3 drafts and take a corner in the 2nd round twice.   Can't be a coincidence.  I would've thought that a top-50 pick would be premium.   Wrong again!    So, for those posters who I have pounded on,  trust me,  it will STOP from here on out.   After R1,  I guess anything is possible.

 

At pick 49,  I didn't see Ben Benogu going that high.   And I posted here that I thought he'd play DE for us.   And then the Colts called him an OLB.   And Kevin Bowen said we talked to him about playing next to Darius Leonard.    At his presser,  Ballard said BB can play all 3 LB spots, plus DE and could even kick inside to DT.    Called him a "rusher".     They're very high on him.    Tested as a top athlete for his size. 

 

At pick 59,  I wasn't surprised we went WR.   But I had no feel for whether we'd go tall like Butler, or small like Isabella,  or someone in the middle?  No idea.    Ballard and Reich gushed over Parris.  

 

And, even as a Stanford fan,  I confess to being surprised at Bobby Okereke going at pick 89.   I posted in the last month or two, that I thought Bobby was a quality back-up,  but wasn't sure he was a starter,  especially for us since I think he'd play the same spot as Darius at WILL.  I thought he might be a R4 or R5 guy.   But tonight.  CB says Okereke can play all three spots, which surprised me.    Bobby has been mostly an under-achiever at Stanford.   Even this year, his best,  people were not wowed by him.   He was listed at 6'3" and 235,  and those close to the program chuckled all the time about that.   They claimed he was neither that tall, nor that heavy.    And then he showed up at the Combine and under 6'2", so he was shorter,  but weighed 239.   That shocked everyone.   I'd guess he put on 8-12 pounds of good lean muscle after the season.  That also surprised the Stanford community.    He tested surprisingly well at the combine and pro day.    And Ballard seems very high on him.

 

Ballard talked tonight about adding, speed and athleticism.   He and Frank seem very happy with their results.    They gave no hints for tomorrow.

 

I'm eating crow.   A little garlic salt helps!    Washing it down with water.   Topping it off with some Humble Pie!      Bon Appetite!

 

 

 

Ahh, no need for this, predictions are all for fun, nobody actually knows who or what will be drafted, at best you get lucky.  I was completely wrong on Oline and Dline, so allow me to dine with you!  I do assume you have some sort of income not related to predicting draft picks? 

 

That said, I'm a massive Ballard fan and I like these picks but I'm not sure I love them, it does raise some questions like: 

 

1. Are any of these guys starters?  I'm not so sure, I see some freakish athleticism but not sure we drafted a started today, maybe Ra-Sin.  Keep in mind we drafted two guys who are not scheme fits in Ra-Sin and Bangoku, can they learn, I'm sure. 

2. Did we give up too much in trading back in round one?

3. We have some great athletes that will have to figure out how to play differently and we need to figure out how to use them which doesn't scream starter to me.  I only mention that in the context of we usually think of the first two or three picks as bonafide starters and these guys may not be that.  Perhaps our roster is so good at the moment that we don't draft sure fire starters anymore. We could have a nickel corner that matches up with TE's, we could have a pass rush guy, a backup LB and a third-down slot receiver.  I watched a ton of tape on the LB from Stanford, there's a ton of his game tape on YouTube and like you, I wasn't impressed.  I don't see what they see in that guy, I'll be honest.  He had a ton of miss reads and got lost in space a lot, you can call me skeptical on that particular pick.

 

Again, I 'm not being overly critical, I don't know more than Ballard, I trust this team to choose wisely.  The fan in me woke up this morning with these thoughts rattling around in my vacuous head.  I do look forward to seeing them fly around the field this year, we definitely got faster and more athletic which is very good!!!!

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Ballard preaches line play, line play, line play then picks a

cornerback, line backer, wide receiver then follows that up

with another linebacker. I haven't a clue what this guy will

do with future picks? 

 

This is a dump off and check down league anymore, so I guess

his thinking is to find players that can defend against the dinking and

dunking that is prevalent in today's game.

 

We all thought we had it figured out what he was going to do in this 

draft Newcoltsfan, until he did a 180 degree turn. One thing I won't 

do is question his eye for talent though.

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OK, so you were wrong about who Ballard would draft, but all three could be busts or underachievers, so there's that.

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Hate to break it to you, but Ballard would take a corner at 26 if the situation were slightly different. You seem to think a corner in the first is some sort of boogeyman.  He doesn't. 

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I think what’s very indicative of Ballard’s talent for finding gems is that after 3 years, even the most negative posters on this board have been very tepid in their criticism, if any, of this years picks so far.  

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5 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

I think it's fair to say, you're not the only one that was wrong. All the experts were wrong. Most fans were wrong. 

 

Yep......

 

I think that Simmons coming off the board early messed up MANY of our expectations

(As well as the "experts")

 

I expected a WR in rounds 2-3.

 

Surprised by a CB in round 2, I saw value in round 3-4

 

Expected at least 1 DL in rounds 1-2

 

Expected a SS in round 2

 

Oh well....... hit some.... missed some.......

 

Happy with the draft so far........ I hope one of the SS left on the board, slides to us

 

 

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14 minutes ago, dodsworth said:

Ballard preaches line play, line play, line play then picks a

cornerback, line backer, wide receiver then follows that up

with another linebacker. I haven't a clue what this guy will

do with future picks? 

 

This is a dump off and check down league anymore, so I guess

his thinking is to find players that can defend against the dinking and

dunking that is prevalent in today's game.

 

We all thought we had it figured out what he was going to do in this 

draft Newcoltsfan, until he did a 180 degree turn. One thing I won't 

do is question his eye for talent though.

That is the beauty of it. He doesn't want anyone to know what he is doing and I do not blame him. It is strategy and not letting other GM's know where he is leaning. I love his unpredictability. A lot of fans probably do not because they have their favorite college picks and mocks but I love it.

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5 hours ago, cbear said:

 

NCF, I thought Ya-Sin and Campbell were GREAT picks.  Ben and Bobby.....not so much.  But I'll gladly and happily  join you at the table a few months from now. 

 

Right now though, as hard as I'm trying to find game tapes from last year that might make me feel better about those two, well, I'm not sure the naysayers are wrong this time.  Banogu especially looks terrible as a #2 pick pass rusher (though I was a bit relieved to hear CB say he might be used in other ways).  We'll see.... 

Aint nothing terrible about Banogu. Banogu is a tough ball player and he put up the same sack numbers as Burns who im sure you would have jumped for joy if we got in Rd 1. And he did this on more than one occasion. And what i like best is Banogu is way better than Burns against the run. He runs a 4.5 so hes fast also. Banogu brings value to the table.

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Predictions are always fun to me. Sometimes you are right and sometimes you are way off. I have had both happen to me a lot but that is a part of predicting. 

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3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Predictions are always fun to me. Sometimes you are right and sometimes you are way off. I have had both happen to me a lot but that is a part of predicting. 

I have read many posts before the draft that cornerback isn't

a high priority in the Colts defensive system and can get by 

with marginal talent.

 

Then Ballard goes and spends our first pick on a cornerback.

The guy would make one heckuva poker player for sure when 

almost everyone thought he would go trenches early.

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1 hour ago, Rally5 said:

 

Ahh, no need for this, predictions are all for fun, nobody actually knows who or what will be drafted, at best you get lucky.  I was completely wrong on Oline and Dline, so allow me to dine with you!  I do assume you have some sort of income not related to predicting draft picks? 

 

That said, I'm a massive Ballard fan and I like these picks but I'm not sure I love them, it does raise some questions like: 

 

1. Are any of these guys starters?  I'm not so sure, I see some freakish athleticism but not sure we drafted a started today, maybe Ra-Sin.  Keep in mind we drafted two guys who are not scheme fits in Ra-Sin and Bangoku, can they learn, I'm sure. 

2. Did we give up too much in trading back in round one?

3. We have some great athletes that will have to figure out how to play differently and we need to figure out how to use them which doesn't scream starter to me.  I only mention that in the context of we usually think of the first two or three picks as bonafide starters and these guys may not be that.  Perhaps our roster is so good at the moment that we don't draft sure fire starters anymore. We could have a nickel corner that matches up with TE's, we could have a pass rush guy, a backup LB and a third-down slot receiver.  I watched a ton of tape on the LB from Stanford, there's a ton of his game tape on YouTube and like you, I wasn't impressed.  I don't see what they see in that guy, I'll be honest.  He had a ton of miss reads and got lost in space a lot, you can call me skeptical on that particular pick.

 

Again, I 'm not being overly critical, I don't know more than Ballard, I trust this team to choose wisely.  The fan in me woke up this morning with these thoughts rattling around in my vacuous head.  I do look forward to seeing them fly around the field this year, we definitely got faster and more athletic which is very good!!!!

Exactly why would Banogu and Yasin not be scheme fits? They fit just fine. Fit is a word Ballard uses all the time. Its important to him. He doesnt bring guys in who dont fit what we do in our schemes. Hes been known to say i would never force a player on our coaches. The player has to fit how we want to play. And besides this ive watched the film and i see no issues. Both of them fit.

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1 minute ago, Matthew Gilbert said:

Really? Tell me more.

We had multiple meetings with him i do believe. Doesnt guarantee anything though.

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5 minutes ago, dodsworth said:

I have read many posts before the draft that cornerback isn't

a high priority in the Colts defensive system and can get by 

with marginal talent.

 

Then Ballard goes and spends our first pick on a cornerback.

The guy would make one heckuva poker player for sure when 

almost everyone thought he would go trenches early.

maybe they dont want to play cover two all the time, but had to because of the guys we had.  

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Matthew Gilbert said:

Really? Tell me more.

 

Don't skip over him knowing the 3rd rd pick but not wanting to spoil us. 

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2 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I knew we were taking Banogu before the draft and was very high on him. Rock Ya-Sin and Parris Campbell were my 3rd favorites WR and CB. I heard of our 3rd rounder (won't spoil him to you), and was mocking him to us later in mocks. He has a great comparison. Also an extra 5th this year and 2nd next year. Ballard predicted the runs at cb and wr and we did well. Check out the press conference!

 

13 minutes ago, Matthew Gilbert said:

Really? Tell me more.

 

He was high on Ben Banogu before the draft. I was reading the thread about us trading back, and Jared said after Day 1 Now let's go get Ben Banogu. What I'm confused about is him "not spoiling" the 3rd round pick when they already announced it...

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2 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I knew we were taking Banogu before the draft and was very high on him. Rock Ya-Sin and Parris Campbell were my 3rd favorites WR and CB. I heard of our 3rd rounder (won't spoil him to you), and was mocking him to us later in mocks. He has a great comparison. Also an extra 5th this year and 2nd next year. Ballard predicted the runs at cb and wr and we did well. Check out the press conference!

 

hate the ppl on here that act like they know everything til they end up being hella wrong. ppl w common sense aren’t surprised at this draft at all. Ballard picks fast athletes w upside.

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37 minutes ago, krunk said:

Exactly why would Banogu and Yasin not be scheme fits? They fit just fine. Fit is a word Ballard uses all the time. Its important to him. He doesnt bring guys in who dont fit what we do in our schemes. Hes been known to say i would never force a player on our coaches. The player has to fit how we want to play. And besides this ive watched the film and i see no issues. Both of them fit.

He fits our culture, not our schemes.  If you watch Banogu for example, he plays as a 3-4 LB and a DE who at times goes inside to DT and we're going to play him as a 4-3 backer.  Do you see that as a natural fit, if you do then we have different definitions of the term.  Ballard sees an athletic guy, so do I, who is a great cultural fit that we need to find a way to use, which we will but he's not a natural scheme fit by any means.  Yasin, I have already explained.  He's a press cover corner and we play Cover 2 zone, so he has to learn to play zone and we may incorporate some press man into our defense.  So that's what I'm saying.  Both guys, accordingly to Ballard, are great culture fits who bring the athleticism we're looking for but they will have a lot of adjusting to do..a lot.  Try not to be offended by my opinion its grounded in fact and I'm not suggesting they were bad picks, so be cool.

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6 minutes ago, Rally5 said:

He fits our culture, not our schemes.  If you watch Banogu for example, he plays as a 3-4 LB and and a DE who at times goes inside to DT and we're going to play him as a 4-3 backer.  Do you see that as a natural fit, if you do then we have different definitions fo the term.  Ballard sees an athletic guy, so do I, who is a great cultural fit that we need to find a way to use, which we will but he's not a natural scheme fit by any means.  Yasin, I have already explained.  He's a press cover corner and we play Cover 2 zone, so he has to learn to play zome and we may incorporate some press man into our defense.  So that's what I'm saying.  Both guys, accordingly to Ballard, are great culture fits who bring the athleticism we're looking for but they will have a lot of adjusting to do..a lot.  Try not to be offended by my opinion is grounded in fact and I'm not suggesting they were bad picks, so be cool.

Yasin fits what we are looking to do in 2019 which is play a bit more man coverage with our zones. He has no issues with tackling, and they certainly would not have brought him here if they didnt feel he couldnt play zone. Banogu they have talked about him playing some Sam in our scheme so hed be standing up like he did at TCU. He will be pass rushing also im sure which isnt much of a transition.

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Just now, krunk said:

Yasin fits what we are looking to do in 2019 which is play a bit more man coverage with our zones. He has no issues with tackling, and they certainly would not have brought him here if they didnt feel he couldnt play zone. Banogu they have talked about him playing some Sam in our scheme so hed be standing up like he did at TCU. He will be pass rushing also im sure which isnt much of a transition.

Ya, I agree, both guys will be learning and adjusting to that, right?  Meaning it's not what they've done but doesn't mean that can't, or won't and that's where the character comes in to play.  Call us aligned.

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1 minute ago, Rally5 said:

Ya, I agree, both guys will be learning and adjusting to that, right?  Meaning it's not whatif they've done but doesn't mean that can't, or won't and that's where the character comes in to play.  Call us aligned.

If there are fit issues you bring in guys whose transition is small scale. Not a huge transition to where it blocks them from success.

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1 hour ago, dodsworth said:

Ballard preaches line play, line play, line play then picks a

cornerback, line backer, wide receiver then follows that up

with another linebacker. I haven't a clue what this guy will

do with future picks? 

 

This is a dump off and check down league anymore, so I guess

his thinking is to find players that can defend against the dinking and

dunking that is prevalent in today's game.

 

We all thought we had it figured out what he was going to do in this 

draft Newcoltsfan, until he did a 180 degree turn. One thing I won't 

do is question his eye for talent though.

 

speed is what matters ppl that aren’t oblivious and old school put the puzzle together easily

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I didn’t think we would go CB that early either. But seeing who we picked it makes sense. It gives us a CB on the outside we don’t have. We can play some man to man if we want to switch it up with him being so physical.

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1 hour ago, krunk said:

Aint nothing terrible about Banogu. Banogu is a tough ball player and he put up the same sack numbers as Burns who im sure you would have jumped for joy if we got in Rd 1. And he did this on more than one occasion. And what i like best is Banogu is way better than Burns against the run. He runs a 4.5 so hes fast also. Banogu brings value to the table.

The issue with BB is that he tended to get his numbers the same way Jerry Hughes got them at TCU, sort of using the speed to run fast around the undermatched OT.  It took Jerry a while to figure out other things.  BB seems to have tested well on athletic tests at the combine which raised his stock.  Which points to the idea that despite that tested athleticism, it took a combine test to notice it because it wasn't as evident on play tape.

 

I put BB and the Stanford Backer into the same description as Turay.  They test well athletically, but need polish.  And Ya-Sin seems eerily similar to Quincy Wilson, but maybe with better mental make-up.

 

Leonard and Smith both seemed more plug n play ready, by comparison.  JMO

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If there's anything I've learned from watching the Colts draft over the course of the Polian & Grigson eras, & now under Ballard, it is that there are likely gonna be some surprises come draft day...

 

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In your defense, I seem to recall Ballard saying the pundits have it all wrong, talking about prospect rankings. He turned out to be right. There were a lot of surprises, seemed to me to be more than usual.

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10 minutes ago, DougDew said:

The issue with BB is that he tended to get his numbers the same way Jerry Hughes got them at TCU, sort of using the speed to run fast around the undermatched OT.  It took Jerry a while to figure out other things.  BB seems to have tested well on athletic tests at the combine which raised his stock.  Which points to the idea that despite that tested athleticism, it took a combine test to notice it because it wasn't as evident on play tape.

 

I put BB and the Stanford Backer into the same description as Turay.  They need polish.  And Ya-Sin seems eerily similar to Quincy Wilson, but maybe with better mental make-up.

If you are using "speed" to run around overmatched tackles as you call it means the speed is evident on tape and you wouldnt need a test to confirm that. The combine testing should only confirm that. I dont buy the notion the Colts jumped up and wanted him after they learned he ran a 4.5.

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