Report: Colts interested in Seattle DE Frank Clark? (merge)

[Deadpool]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832517-nfl-trade-rumors-seahawks-frank-clark-linked-to-chiefs-jets-colts

 

There is some talk the Colts may be interested in Seahawks DE Frank Clark, but is he really worth giving up a 1st rounder for? He was franchise tagged after the season. IF a first rounder is what it will take, the only way I say pull the trigger on this is doing a sign and trade deal. Let Ballard negotiate a contract extension before finalizing the trade. 36 sacks in 3 years is not to shabby. 

 

So first rounder for a 25 yr old DE or no? What does everyone thing?

[Matabix]

Give our first as long as we get there third round if they got one. Ballard loves picks.

So, our 1st for Clark and there 3rd. We don't lose the number of picks and Ballard mentioned he really likes rounds 2-4. We will have 5 between those rounds.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This is interesting.

 

 

[Dark Superman]

Take this info with a grain of salt.

[Dark Superman]

Here we go.

[BProland85]

At most I'd give up our later 2nd round pick for him. Not our 26th or 34th overall though. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Just now, BProland85 said:

At most I'd give up our later 2nd round pick for him. Not our 26th or 34th overall though. 

We could give up the 26th because we still have the 34th.  Maybe we then get a 3rd round from the Seahawks. I would not do this until draft day though. What if a edge you like falls to 26. 

 

 

[Jackie Daytona]

4 minutes ago, Legend said:

Take this info with a grain of salt.

 

Well sure, especially this time of year.....  Any proposed Clark deal is contingent on tons of things.... him signing a new contract, after signing his tender, what pick is traded.... who is available when that pick is up.....etc....  not to mention, it's simply doing your due diligence to check on a player at a position of need that may be available.....  

[IndyD4U]

No

[Matabix]

Just watched highlights of Frank Clark. He's speed and strength no other moves. 

Maybe should've watched before I posted. I say no and hope Ferrell falls to us he has at least 3 moves. 

[Jackie Daytona]

19 hours ago, Stephen said:

Naw we got Houston. Rather draft a young guy

 

To be fair, Clark is only 25....

[Hoose]

I really do NOT see this happening. Clark will be extremely expensive. I don't think he's worth it. And Ballard is going to build through the draft. I can't see him giving up either pick 26 or 34.  And #59 probably doesn't get the job done. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This is why I don’t see it happening before draft day if at all.

 

 

[Devildog]

Nah

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This is why I don’t see anything if at all happening before draft day.

 

 

[John Waylon]

I’m not a big fan. 

[PeterBowman]

20 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

This is interesting.

 

 

That's very true....it's not like they're flying blind.....they have an insider who played a big part in drafting him......things could get interesting as the week goes on. 

[Devildog]

Hard pass on Clark unless it's a 2nd.  I'd take a chance on Sweat though.

[Jackie Daytona]

4 minutes ago, Hoose said:

I really do NOT see this happening. Clark will be extremely expensive. I don't think he's worth it. And Ballard is going to build through the draft. I can't see him giving up either pick 26 or 34.  And #59 probably doesn't get the job done. 

You don't worry about paying top dollar for top tier production, especially at Edge, and QB.....  that said, who knows if Ballard will trade for him.  If it is a move that clearly helps get a round or 2 deeper in the playoffs, you'll most likely love Irsay paying Clark a premium.  Guy's only 25, if they think he's clean and past his issues, and they believe he's their guy, lock him up for 4 or 5 years, and the huge amount today, will be average halfway through the deal....  and you are out maybe the 2 you got from NY?  

[Matthew Gilbert]

14 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

We could give up the 26th because we still have the 34th.  Maybe we then get a 3rd round from the Seahawks. I would not do this until draft day though. What if a edge you like falls to 26. 

 

 

I think you're right about it being a draft day trade with whatever teams that may trade for Clark. I would want to see my options first before pulling the trigger on a trade like this.  I wouldn't be against a possible trade with the Colts but I wouldn't bet on it either. Clark turns 26 this year and is probably going to demand a monster contract. 

[Superman]

This doesn't add up, IMO.

 

Clark has a troubled past, with multiple questionable events and comments through the years. It would cost at least a top 50 pick, maybe more, to trade for him. And he wants a long term contract for at least $20m/year; reports are he wants at least what Demarcus Lawrence got.

 

Doesn't seem like a Ballard kind of situation.

 

I believe the Colts reached out to the Seahawks to find out what they want, and maybe they even asked for permission to talk to Clark's agent to find out his contract demands, but I'd be very surprised if the Colts traded for Clark, knowing his history and his contract demands.

[chad72]

Brissett and pick No.34 for Clark.   j/k (just thought I'd say it before someone brought Brissett up)

[stitches]

14 minutes ago, Superman said:

This doesn't add up, IMO.

 

Clark has a troubled past, with multiple questionable events and comments through the years. It would cost at least a top 50 pick, maybe more, to trade for him. And he wants a long term contract for at least $20m/year; reports are he wants at least what Demarcus Lawrence got.

 

Doesn't seem like a Ballard kind of situation.

 

I believe the Colts reached out to the Seahawks to find out what they want, and maybe they even asked for permission to talk to Clark's agent to find out his contract demands, but I'd be very surprised if the Colts traded for Clark, knowing his history and his contract demands.

 

I agree overall but worth pointing out that it was Ed Dodds that did most of the leg work on Clark when Seattle decided to draft him: 

 

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/seahawks-insider-blog/article26343166.html

 

Quote

"I think it was a process. The most interesting thing is that I was there two days after it happened, so our area guy went through there twice. Ed Dodds, our regional scout, went through their twice and went back and spent several days there. Like I said, the easiest thing to do is completely dismiss this. I think over time things became clearer and clearer as things built up through the evaluation process. We brought him out here, too, and met with our sports psychologist, and like I said, it was very extensive and built over time.”

 

It's probably dangerous to extend the same leniency to Ballard, but at least we know that one of our main execs is one of the people that gave the OK to Seattle when they were drafting Clark. 

[Yoshinator]

I think Ben Banogu at 59 would be a better choice than trading a first rounder for Clark (and I think 59 is a reach for him). Really hope we don't trade for him.

[krunk]

I can sort of see the sense in this move. At the very least gathering information.  I've been saying all along I didn't feel that strong about the pass rushers in this draft class who would be available at our pick.  Not too many outright game wreckers.

[Superman]

27 minutes ago, stitches said:

 

I agree overall but worth pointing out that it was Ed Dodds that did most of the leg work on Clark when Seattle decided to draft him: 

 

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/seahawks-insider-blog/article26343166.html

 

 

It's probably dangerous to extend the same leniency to Ballard, but at least we know that one of our main execs is one of the people that gave the OK to Seattle when they were drafting Clark. 

 

The character is just one piece of the puzzle. Drafting a player with question marks is one thing, bringing him in and making him your second highest paid player (ever) is another.

[lollygagger8]

File this under 

 

Never gonna Happen 

[ColtsBlueFL]

On 4/21/2019 at 1:33 PM, TheNextGM said:

I’d rather use 26 and 59 to move up and get an Edge guy.. draft a CB or WR with the early second.. 

 

If you are lucky, that gets you to spot #16, but more likely #18.  Is your guy still there?

 

14 hours ago, pacolts56 said:

This ^^^^

 

If Ballard is going to make a high-impact move with our #26 pick to acquire an EDGE guy.... then let it be for Brian Burns in the 10-15 range if he's there and we can work something out.

 

That is going to cost even more than the above.  A lot more.

 

14 hours ago, pacolts56 said:

But between his DV history, Seattle's 1st round demand and the contract he will want..... I'd avoid Frank Clark like the plague.

 

 

Agree.

 

3 hours ago, PeterBowman said:

I have no doubt the Colts have expressed interest, but I also have no doubt that if the asking price is more than the perceived value Ballard has placed on him he won't pull the trigger. 

 

 

My Guess? Interest would be let Brian Decker evaluate him before any further talks.

[NewEra]

Nein nein nein nein nein! 

[horseshoecrabs]

Ballard is not trading any picks for Clark. It's not in his DNA. To high a price for us to deal. KC might be desperate enough on Defense but, The asking price is too much and we are not that desperate. 

[Moosejawcolt]

I don't buy the rumours.  The #1 question I would have is why is Seattle trying to unload him? He is 25 and pretty consistent.  He seems to b an ascending player.  Every GM and scout has always said elite pass rushers don't hit the market. If they r trying to get rid of him, I would b very leary. And I find it funny that Seattle is trying to trade him, but apparently wants  a kings ranson. If u don't want him, why would I?!!?? I find it so funny when a team wants to trade a guy they don't want , but wants multiple picks in return.

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I don't buy the rumours.  The #1 question I would have is why is Seattle trying to unload him? He is 25 and pretty consistent.  He seems to b an ascending player.  Every GM and scout has always said elite pass rushers don't hit the market. If they r trying to get rid of him, I would b very leary. And I find it funny that Seattle is trying to trade him, but apparently wants  a kings ranson. If u don't want him, why would I?!!?? I find it so funny when a team wants to trade a guy they don't want , but wants multiple picks in return.

 Bears and Khalil mack

[Moosejawcolt]

I think that is a different situation.  That was more bout money and rebuild.  I think Raiders wanted to accumulate lots of picks before going to Vegas.  

[Superman]

23 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I don't buy the rumours.  The #1 question I would have is why is Seattle trying to unload him? He is 25 and pretty consistent.  He seems to b an ascending player.  Every GM and scout has always said elite pass rushers don't hit the market. If they r trying to get rid of him, I would b very leary. And I find it funny that Seattle is trying to trade him, but apparently wants  a kings ranson. If u don't want him, why would I?!!?? I find it so funny when a team wants to trade a guy they don't want , but wants multiple picks in return.

 

Salary cap. They're up against it this year, and they have a lot of free agents next year. 

[HOF19]

Do I believe Ballard is interested ? ……… YES …...But they (Seattle) are gonna have to agree to a deal that Ballard LOVES …...Not likes but loves and loves ALOT !!!!!

[HOF19]

Or to put it this way I believe Ballard is interested but doing this  may not even be on his top 3 priorities list .

[richard pallo]

3 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

We could give up the 26th because we still have the 34th.  Maybe we then get a 3rd round from the Seahawks. I would not do this until draft day though. What if a edge you like falls to 26. 

 

 

I don't think you can wait until draft day.  Clark needs to agree to terms before any GM trades for him.  Not to mention he has to sign his tender as well.  I don't think Ballard would come to terms with Clark and agree to a trade but ask the Hawks to wait until draft day because we can't do it because our first choice is a college player we are hoping falls to us.  And then Ballard backs out and the Hawks are left holding the bag so to speak.  I can't imagine their GM agreeing to something like that.  I can't see Ballard doing that to a GM.  I think if everything is agreed to you do it ASAP. 

[Steamboat_Shaun]

23 hours ago, Stephen said:

Naw we got Houston. Rather draft a young guy

 

FWIW, Clark's only 25, & likely hitting his prime right now. Trading a 1st for him would be looney though.

[horseshoecrabs]

1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:

 Bears and Khalil mack

That was a little deferent.  It worked out for the Bears for now & Depending how it falls for the Raiders, it might help them also.  

[horseshoecrabs]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

 

Salary cap. They're up against it this year, and they have a lot of free agents next year. 

Your right Superman, That's why Ballard's approach to save some cap to sign already existing players for us is wise. The core who makes our team makes since," If they make the grade", is better than this constant revolving door of too many players you groom to be on your team to jump ship,  after you put a lot time in these guys. I know there will always be turn over, but the less the better for the continuity  of your team.