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28 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

@csmopar @chad72

 

Are we taking a break after round 2 or going straight into the 3rd round?

Keep it rolling right into the 3rd. Trying to get the list to load but being in the middle of BFE, kind of a pain. 

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3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

how long does chad have

Looks like his time has come and gone, which team is he drafting for? 

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3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

how long does chad have

He mentioned 5-8 was his family time.  Let's just count this as the "end of round 2" break that people were asking about. 

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Announcement....my best friend is moving and just rolled his ankle this morning. He's pretty much on a crutch. I will be taking over for him with another friend the next two days so could someone make my selections for the Rams and Seahawks? Very sorry, but I will be in and out of bad coverage and likely working my * off. I can take back over if you need after about 7pm Pacific on Tues night. 

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44 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

Announcement....my best friend is moving and just rolled his ankle this morning. He's pretty much on a crutch. I will be taking over for him with another friend the next two days so could someone make my selections for the Rams and Seahawks? Very sorry, but I will be in and out of bad coverage and likely working my * off. I can take back over if you need after about 7pm Pacific on Tues night. 

No worries. I’ll cover down 

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47 minutes ago, That Guy said:

He mentioned 5-8 was his family time.  Let's just count this as the "end of round 2" break that people were asking about. 

Sure, that’s a great idea, it’s takif me 15 minutes per post to just load the page. I’ll be more in tune tomorrow.

 

 

due to commissioners technical difficulties, draft is paused until 8am tomorrow. 

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3 hours ago, NFLfan said:

@csmopar @chad72

 

Are we taking a break after round 2 or going straight into the 3rd round?

 

Lets take a break

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Patriots select Renell Wren, Arizona State

 

End of Round 2.

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ROUND 3

3- 1- 65 Arizona Cardinals

3- 2- 66 Pittsburgh Steelers from Oakland Raiders

3- 3- 67 Indianapolis Colts from 49ers

3- 4- 68 New York Jets

3- 5- 69 Jacksonville Jaguars

3- 6- 70 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

3- 7- Choice Forfeited by New York Giants

3- 8- 71 Denver Broncos

3- 9- 72 Cincinnati Bengals

3-10- 73 New England Patriots from Detroit Lions

3-11- 74 Buffalo Bills

3-12- 75 Detroit Lions- from Green Bay Packers

3-13- 76 Washington Redskins

3-14- 77 Carolina Panthers

3-15- 78 Miami Dolphins

3-16- 79 Atlanta Falcons

3-17- 80 Cleveland Browns

3-18- 81 Minnesota Vikings

3-19- 82 Tennessee Titans

3-20- 83 Pittsburgh Steelers

3-21- 84 Seattle Seahawks

3-22- 85 Baltimore Ravens

3-23- 86 Houston Texans

3-24- 87 Chicago Bears

3-25- 88 Detroit Lions from Philadelphia Eagles

3-26- 89 Indianapolis Colts

3-27- 90 Falcons from Dallas Cowboys

3-28- 91 Los Angeles Chargers

3-29- 92 Kansas City Chiefs

3-30- 93 New York Jets from New Orleans Saints

3-31- 94 Los Angeles Rams

3-32- 95 New York Giants from New England Patriots via Cleveland Browns

3-32- 96 Washington Redskins (Compensatory Selection)

3-33- 97 New England Patriots (Compensatory Selection)

3-34- 98 Jacksonville from Los Angeles Rams (Compensatory Selection)

3-35- 99 Los Angeles Rams (Compensatory Selection)

3-36-100 Ny Giants- Carolina Panthers (Compensatory Selection)

3-37-101 New England Patriots (Compensatory Selection)

3-38-102 Baltimore Ravens (Compensatory Selection)

 

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Everyone who had a trade, please verify I have your trades showing correctly

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1 hour ago, csmopar said:

Everyone who had a trade, please verify I have your trades showing correctly

 

Thanks. #81 should be Detroit (PureLuck) and #88 is Minnesota (NFLFan).

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LIST OF AVAILABLE PROSPECTS:

(as of 4/14/19, 9:00AM EST)

 
41. MILES SANDERS–RB–PENN STATE
42. L.J. COLLIER–DE/OB–TCU
51. DAVID MONTGOMERY–RB–IOWA ST.

 

6.0 = Mid to Late 2nd Round Value (29):

 

57. DRE’MONT JONES–DT–OHIO ST.
58. AMANI ORUWARIYE–CB–PENN ST.
60. LONNIE JOHNSON JR.–CB–KENTUCKY
63. KENDALL SHEFFIELD–CB–OHIO ST.
————————-END OF SECOND ROUND NUMBER PICKS——————————-

 

65. JOEJUAN WILLIAMS–CB–VANDERBILT
66. MICHAEL JORDAN–C/OG–OHIO ST.
67. KELVIN HARMON–WR–NORTH CAROLINA STATE
A69. OSHANE XIMINES–DE–OLD DOMINION
70. DAMIEN HARRIS–RB–ALABAMA
71. DEVIN SINGLETARY–RB–FLORIDA ATLANTIC
72. BRYCE LOVE–RB–STANFORD
73. ELGTON JENKINS–OG/C–MISSISSIPPI STATE
74. CONNOR MCGOVERN–OG/C–PENN STATE
75. TRE LAMAR–LB–CLEMSON
76. JOSIAH TAUAEFA–LB–TEXAS SAN ANTONIO
77. RYAN FINLEY–QB–NORTH CAROLINA STATE
79. ZACH ALLEN–DE–BOSTON COLLEGE
81. D’ANDRE WALKER–OLB–GEORGIA
82. JULIAN LOVE–CB–NOTRE DAME

 

=========END OF SECOND ROUND GRADE VALUE============= 

 

5.9-5.5 = Has a chance to make and contribute
5.9 = 3rd Round Value (66)

83. ISAAC NAUTA–TE–GEORGIA
85. GERALD WILLIS III–DT–MIAMI
86. JARETT STIDHAM–QB–AUBURN
87. DAVID EDWARDS–OT–WISCONSIN
88. YODNY CAJUSTE–OT–WEST VIRGINIA
90. LUKAS DENIS–S–BOSTON COLLEGE
91. GERMAINE PRATT–OLB–NC STATE
92. DAWSON KNOX–TE–OLE MISS
93. DARRELL HENDERSON–RB–MEMPHIS
94. SHAREEF MILLER–DE–PENN ST.

 

————————END OF THIRD ROUND NUMBER PICKS——————————–

 

95. VOSEAN JOSEPH–OLB–FLORIDA
97. PENNY HART–SLWR–GEORGIA ST.
98. WILL GRIER–QB–WEST VIRGINIA
99. ISIAH BUGGS–DE–ALABAMA
100. TERRY MCLAURIN–WR–OHIO ST.
101. SEAN BUNTING–CB–CENTRAL MICHIGAN
102. BOBBY EVANS–OT–OKLAHOMA
103. MIKE EDWARDS–S–KENTUCKY
104. TE’VON CONEY–IB–NOTRE DAME
105. JOSH OLIVER–TE–SAN JOSE ST.
106. EMMANUEL HALL–WR–MISSOURI
107. JAMAL PETERS–CB–MISSISSIPPI STATE
108. DAVID LONG–CB–MICHIGAN
109. MAXX CROSBY–DE–EASTERN MICHIGAN
110. ISIAH PRINCE–OT–OHIO ST.
111. DRU TRANQUILL–OLB–NOTRE DAME
112. TYREL DODSON–OLB–TEXAS A&M
113. KAHALE WARRING–TE–SAN DIEGO ST.
114. MAX SCHARPING–OT–NORTHERN ILLINOIS
115. DERWIN GRAY–OT–MARYLAND
116. KHALEN SAUNDERS–DT–WESTERN ILLINOIS
117. SIONE TAKIAKI–OLB–BYU
118. AUSTIN BRYANT–DE–CLEMSON
119. KEELAN DOSS–WR–CAL DAVIS
120. CHRISTIAN MILLER–OLB–ALABAMA
121. MARVELL TELL III–S–USC
122. GARY JOHNSON–ILB–TEXAS
124. DREW SAMPLE–TE–WASHINGTON

 

—————–END FOURTH ROUND NUMBER PICKS—————-

 

125. TOMMY SWEENEY–TE–BOSTON COLLEGE
126. ANTHONY JOHNSON–WR–BUFFALO
127. BEAU BENZSCHAWEL–OG–WISCONSIN
128. SAIVION SMITH–CB–ALABAMA
129. CARL GRANDERSON–DE WYOMING
130. BEN POWERS–OG–OKLAHOMA
131. RODNEY ANDERSON–RB–OKLAHOMA
132. JALEN HURD–WR–BAYLOR
133. HAMP CHEEVERS–CB–BOSTON COLLEGE
134. DRU SAMIA–OG–OKLAHOMA
135. ANDY ISABELLA–WR–UMASS
136. NATE DAVIS–OG–CHARLOTTE
137. KRIS BOYD–CB–TEXAS
138. WILL HARRIS–S–BOSTON COLLEGE
139. TERRY BECKNER JR.–DT–MISSOURI
140. CALEB WILSON–TE–UCLA
141. TERRY GODWIN–WR–GEORGIA
142. MICHAEL DEITER–C–WISCONSIN
143. MIKE WEBER–RB–OHIO ST.
144. DEMARCUS CHRISTMAS–DT–FLORIDA ST.
145. KADEN SMITH–TE–STANFORD
146. BENNY SNELL–RB–KENTUCKY
147. JAQUAN JOHNSON–FS–MIAMI
148. MIKE BELL–FS–FRESNO ST.

============END OF THIRD ROUND GRADE VALUE============= 

 

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8 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Thanks. #81 should be Detroit (PureLuck) and #88 is Minnesota (NFLFan).

Ok I’ll try to edit it

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8 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Ok I’ll try to edit it

 

Ok. It's not urgent.

 

Did @danlhart87 trade the upcoming pick? He sent a PM for #67 but not #66.

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11 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Ok. It's not urgent.

 

Did @danlhart87 trade the upcoming pick? He sent a PM for #67 but not #66.

I dont know

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Steelers  select: 67. KELVIN HARMON–WR–NORTH CAROLINA STATE

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Colts select via PM: Lonnie Johnson- CB.

 

next on the clock until 1215p- @CR91

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10 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Colts select via PM: Lonnie Johnson- CB.

 

next on the clock until 1215p- @CR91

@csmopar.... #69 is the Eagles via yesterday’s trade of the #53 pick.

 

Philly also receives #109 in Round 4.

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2 minutes ago, pacolts56 said:

@csmopar.... #69 is the Eagles via yesterday’s trade of the #53 pick.

ROUND 3

3- 1- 65 Arizona Cardinals

3- 2- 66 Pittsburgh Steelers from Oakland Raiders

3- 3- 67 Indianapolis Colts from 49ers

3- 4- 68 New York Jets

3- 5- 69 Eagles - Jacksonville Jaguars

3- 6- 70 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

3- 7- Choice Forfeited by New York Giants

3- 8- 71 Denver Broncos

3- 9- 72 Cincinnati Bengals

3-10- 73 New England Patriots from Detroit Lions

3-11- 74 Buffalo Bills

3-12- 75 Detroit Lions- from Green Bay Packers

3-13- 76 Washington Redskins

3-14- 77 Carolina Panthers

3-15- 78 Miami Dolphins

3-16- 79 Atlanta Falcons

3-17- 80 Cleveland Browns

3-18- 81 Lions- Minnesota Vikings

3-19- 82 Tennessee Titans

3-20- 83 Pittsburgh Steelers

3-21- 84 Seattle Seahawks

3-22- 85 Baltimore Ravens

3-23- 86 Houston Texans

3-24- 87 Chicago Bears

3-25- 88 Vikings- Detroit Lions from Philadelphia Eagles

3-26- 89 Indianapolis Colts

3-27- 90 Falcons from Dallas Cowboys

3-28- 91 Los Angeles Chargers

3-29- 92 Kansas City Chiefs

3-30- 93 New York Jets from New Orleans Saints

3-31- 94 Los Angeles Rams

3-32- 95 New York Giants from New England Patriots via Cleveland Browns

3-32- 96 Washington Redskins (Compensatory Selection)

3-33- 97 New England Patriots (Compensatory Selection)

3-34- 98 Jacksonville from Los Angeles Rams (Compensatory Selection)

3-35- 99 Los Angeles Rams (Compensatory Selection)

3-36-100 Ny Giants- Carolina Panthers (Compensatory Selection)

3-37-101 New England Patriots (Compensatory Selection)

3-38-102 Baltimore Ravens (Compensatory Selection)

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Jets select Amani Orwayuri CB Penn State

 

@Finball

 

 

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With the 70th pick in the 2019 NFL Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select

Vosean Joseph, OLB, Florida

 

The Giants get skipped because, well, why not

 

And @RNGDShobby is on the clock with the Denver Broncos

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Colts 

 

Charles Omenihu 

Darnell Savage 

Jace Sternberger

Lonnie Johnson Jr 

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Round 1 and Round 2 results are here:

 

 

 

ROUND 3

3- 1- 65 Arizona Cardinals - @That Guy - Trysten Hill DT UCF

3- 2- 66 Pittsburgh Steelers from Oakland Raiders - @danlhart87 - Kelvin Harmon, WR, North Carolina State

3- 3- 67 Indianapolis Colts from 49ers - @danlhart87 - Lonnie Johnson, CB, Kentucky

3- 4- 68 New York Jets - @CR91 - Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State

3- 5- 69 Eagles from Jacksonville Jaguars - @pacolts56 - Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State

3- 6- 70 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - @John Hammonds - Vosean Joseph, OLB, Florida

3- 7- Choice Forfeited by New York Giants

3- 8- 71 Denver Broncos - @RNGDShobby - Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Ohio State

3- 9- 72 Cincinnati Bengals - @MPStack

3-10- 73 New England Patriots from Detroit Lions - @chad72

3-11- 74 Buffalo Bills - @twfish

3-12- 75 Detroit Lions- from Green Bay Packers - @PureLuck

3-13- 76 Washington Redskins - @Zoltan

3-14- 77 Carolina Panthers - @Matthew Gilbert

3-15- 78 Miami Dolphins - @John Hammonds

3-16- 79 Atlanta Falcons - @RNGDShobby

3-17- 80 Cleveland Browns - @stitches

3-18- 81 Lions- Minnesota Vikings - @PureLuck

3-19- 82 Tennessee Titans - @Clem-Dog

3-20- 83 Pittsburgh Steelers - @danlhart87

3-21- 84 Seattle Seahawks - @Four2itus

3-22- 85 Baltimore Ravens - @pacolts56

3-23- 86 Houston Texans - @PureLuck

3-24- 87 Chicago Bears - @csmopar

3-25- 88 Vikings- Detroit Lions from Philadelphia Eagles - @NFLfan

3-26- 89 Indianapolis Colts - @danlhart87

3-27- 90 Falcons from Dallas Cowboys - @RNGDShobby

3-28- 91 Los Angeles Chargers - @Buck Showalter

3-29- 92 Kansas City Chiefs - @Finball

3-30- 93 New York Jets from New Orleans Saints - @CR91

3-31- 94 Los Angeles Rams - @Four2itus

3-32- 95 New York Giants from New England Patriots via Cleveland Browns - @Matthew Gilbert

3-32- 96 Washington Redskins (Compensatory Selection) - @Zoltan

3-33- 97 New England Patriots (Compensatory Selection) - @chad72

3-34- 98 Jacksonville from Los Angeles Rams (Compensatory Selection) - @Finball

3-35- 99 Los Angeles Rams (Compensatory Selection) - @Four2itus

3-36-100 Ny Giants- Carolina Panthers (Compensatory Selection) - @Matthew Gilbert

3-37-101 New England Patriots (Compensatory Selection)  - @chad72

3-38-102 Baltimore Ravens (Compensatory Selection) - @pacolts56

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1 hour ago, danlhart87 said:

 

Charles Omenihu 

Darnell Savage 

Jace Sternberger

Lonnie Johnson Jr 

 

Jace Sternberger, while Parris Campbell was available that was a good fit for our offense is questionable, IMO. Warring and Josh Oliver were still available for later picks. 

 

Omenihu vs L J Collier, not sure where the comparisons stand, still a good pick.

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LIST OF AVAILABLE PROSPECTS:

(as of 4/14/19, 2:00 PM EST)

 
42. L.J. COLLIER–DE/OB–TCU
51. DAVID MONTGOMERY–RB–IOWA ST.
 

6.0 = Mid to Late 2nd Round Value (29)


63. KENDALL SHEFFIELD–CB–OHIO ST.
 

————————-END OF SECOND ROUND NUMBER PICKS——————————-

 

65. JOEJUAN WILLIAMS–CB–VANDERBILT
66. MICHAEL JORDAN–C/OG–OHIO ST.

69. OSHANE XIMINES–DE–OLD DOMINION
70. DAMIEN HARRIS–RB–ALABAMA
71. DEVIN SINGLETARY–RB–FLORIDA ATLANTIC
72. BRYCE LOVE–RB–STANFORD
73. ELGTON JENKINS–OG/C–MISSISSIPPI STATE
74. CONNOR MCGOVERN–OG/C–PENN STATE
75. TRE LAMAR–LB–CLEMSON
76. JOSIAH TAUAEFA–LB–TEXAS SAN ANTONIO
77. RYAN FINLEY–QB–NORTH CAROLINA STATE
79. ZACH ALLEN–DE–BOSTON COLLEGE
81. D’ANDRE WALKER–OLB–GEORGIA
82. JULIAN LOVE–CB–NOTRE DAME

 

=========END OF SECOND ROUND GRADE VALUE============= 

 

5.9-5.5 = Has a chance to make and contribute
5.9 = 3rd Round Value (66)

83. ISAAC NAUTA–TE–GEORGIA
85. GERALD WILLIS III–DT–MIAMI
86. JARETT STIDHAM–QB–AUBURN
87. DAVID EDWARDS–OT–WISCONSIN
88. YODNY CAJUSTE–OT–WEST VIRGINIA
90. LUKAS DENIS–S–BOSTON COLLEGE
91. GERMAINE PRATT–OLB–NC STATE
92. DAWSON KNOX–TE–OLE MISS
93. DARRELL HENDERSON–RB–MEMPHIS
94. SHAREEF MILLER–DE–PENN ST.

 

————————END OF THIRD ROUND NUMBER PICKS——————————–

 

97. PENNY HART–SLWR–GEORGIA ST.
98. WILL GRIER–QB–WEST VIRGINIA
99. ISIAH BUGGS–DE–ALABAMA
100. TERRY MCLAURIN–WR–OHIO ST.
101. SEAN BUNTING–CB–CENTRAL MICHIGAN
102. BOBBY EVANS–OT–OKLAHOMA
103. MIKE EDWARDS–S–KENTUCKY
104. TE’VON CONEY–IB–NOTRE DAME
105. JOSH OLIVER–TE–SAN JOSE ST.
106. EMMANUEL HALL–WR–MISSOURI
107. JAMAL PETERS–CB–MISSISSIPPI STATE
108. DAVID LONG–CB–MICHIGAN
109. MAXX CROSBY–DE–EASTERN MICHIGAN
110. ISIAH PRINCE–OT–OHIO ST.
111. DRU TRANQUILL–OLB–NOTRE DAME
112. TYREL DODSON–OLB–TEXAS A&M
113. KAHALE WARRING–TE–SAN DIEGO ST.
114. MAX SCHARPING–OT–NORTHERN ILLINOIS
115. DERWIN GRAY–OT–MARYLAND
116. KHALEN SAUNDERS–DT–WESTERN ILLINOIS
117. SIONE TAKIAKI–OLB–BYU
118. AUSTIN BRYANT–DE–CLEMSON
119. KEELAN DOSS–WR–CAL DAVIS
120. CHRISTIAN MILLER–OLB–ALABAMA
121. MARVELL TELL III–S–USC
122. GARY JOHNSON–ILB–TEXAS
124. DREW SAMPLE–TE–WASHINGTON

 

—————–END FOURTH ROUND NUMBER PICKS—————-

 

125. TOMMY SWEENEY–TE–BOSTON COLLEGE
126. ANTHONY JOHNSON–WR–BUFFALO
127. BEAU BENZSCHAWEL–OG–WISCONSIN
128. SAIVION SMITH–CB–ALABAMA
129. CARL GRANDERSON–DE WYOMING
130. BEN POWERS–OG–OKLAHOMA
131. RODNEY ANDERSON–RB–OKLAHOMA
132. JALEN HURD–WR–BAYLOR
133. HAMP CHEEVERS–CB–BOSTON COLLEGE
134. DRU SAMIA–OG–OKLAHOMA
135. ANDY ISABELLA–WR–UMASS
136. NATE DAVIS–OG–CHARLOTTE
137. KRIS BOYD–CB–TEXAS
138. WILL HARRIS–S–BOSTON COLLEGE
139. TERRY BECKNER JR.–DT–MISSOURI
140. CALEB WILSON–TE–UCLA
141. TERRY GODWIN–WR–GEORGIA
142. MICHAEL DEITER–C–WISCONSIN
143. MIKE WEBER–RB–OHIO ST.
144. DEMARCUS CHRISTMAS–DT–FLORIDA ST.
145. KADEN SMITH–TE–STANFORD
146. BENNY SNELL–RB–KENTUCKY
147. JAQUAN JOHNSON–FS–MIAMI
148. MIKE BELL–FS–FRESNO ST.

============END OF THIRD ROUND GRADE VALUE============= 

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35 minutes ago, chad72 said:

@MPStack and The Cincinnati Bengals are on the clock till 2:38 pm ET

How about Michael Jordan for him?

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16 minutes ago, twfish said:

How about Michael Jordan for him?

 

He got Jawaan Taylor and Rock-Ya-Sin so far. Bucs need pass rush, so I would go for

 

L J Collier, DE/OLB, TCU

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8 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

He got Jawaan Taylor and Rock-Ya-Sin so far. Bucs need pass rush, so I would go for

 

L J Collier, DE/OLB, TCU

He drafting for the bengals. They took lock first and I cant remember who they got in the second but they could use ol help

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9 minutes ago, twfish said:

He drafting for the bengals. They took lock first and I cant remember who they got in the second but they could use ol help

 

Drew Lock and Irv. Smith  - ok Michael Jordan it is then.

 

With the 72nd pick, The Cincinnati Bengals select Michael Jordan OG, Ohio State

 

The New England Patriots (me) are on the clock.

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The New England Patriots select 

 

Josh Oliver, TE, San Jose State

 

@twfish and The Buffalo Bills are on the clock till 5 pm ET

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Buffalo selects David Montgomery RB Iowa State

They select the perfect replacement for shady. The most elusive back PFF has for the past 2 years.

 

 

 

I wont lie I was pumped he was here and nearly took him in the second

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   CBE.    I criticized his post and he still gave me a like.    He know while we may not agree,  he knows I'm not trying to pound him.   I'm  trying to be as honest and factual as I can.    No wonder you can't see for yourself.   What triggered me, was your latest attempt to sound like you know what you're talking about.   You judged Willis on half of the first pre-season game.    That's all you've got.    That's it.   Doesn't even occur to you that that is.....   NOTHING!    Hello?    And you present it like it should be taken seriously,  when it should be laughed at.    Goodness gracious, you want to go back to the media draft comparison?    I was hoping for your sake that you wouldn't.    But since you insist.     Did you ever really look at that poll?   Seriously,  did you look at the four category breakdown?    Did you see what was actually involved?    If you did,  you shouldn't have been crowing about it.    First,  what I care about from guys like Kiper and McShay and Jeremiah and others isn't just the first round.   My  momma can do a decent job on the first round, and she's been dead for nearly 30 years!    I care about their view on ALL ROUNDS.   And your survey was only about the first round.   That's it.   There were four categories.    In three of them,  the leader got no more than 50%.   That's it.   The best person in three of the four categories scored no more than 50 percent.   When the top guy is scoring no more than 50 percent and everyone else is close behind,  then no one really knows anything.    And the one category that the winner did well in --- one category --- he scored in the 90's.   And everyone else was right behind him.    So, most everyone did well in ONE OUT OF THE FOUR categories.   Big stinking deal.    I tried to tell you this silly survey didn't support what you believed but you wouldn't listen.   No surprise there.  All you cared about the results.   The fatal flaw.     Finally,  without a single fact,  you offered this opinion in that post.    I remember it like it was yesterday,  that your new age guys were doing a better job than the more traditional scouts.   Based on one poll.   One poll of one round.    And you said the older guys like Kiper and company were resting on their laurels and not working as hard.   Nope, the old guys were covering all seven rounds.    Most of your guys,  covering one round.   You have no facts to support that, but that's your view.    When logic and common sense would tell you that the guys I prefer make a ton more money and have their reputation at stake.    They have more to lose.    There's no way they're resting on anything.    But you'll say ANYTHING to try and prove a point.   There's no argument you won't twist to try to win an argument, no matter how foolish the argument is.   I've told you publicly and privately,  you're not interested in honest debate.   You're the least honest poster here.  You're only interested in winning and you'll do anything, say anything to do that.      As to the WR study.    You got crushed.   I'm talking about a bank safe fell on you and your response was to talk about cherry picking stats.    Either English is a second language or you don't know the meaning of the words.     I made two links for you.    One was almost identical to yours.    Yours covered 25 years dating back to a time when passing rules were dramatically different so comparing a receiver from 1990 to one from 2018 was silly.   We're playig a different game now.    My first link covered 20 years from 1995 to 2014 .   There was great over-lap in the two studies.  But the conclusions were entirely different.   The only reason I used it was your post said roughly 60% percent of 1st Round WR's were successes.    Mine said roughly 40%.   Guess which one you preferred?    Surprise!   Then the second link was one of my own making.    I listed every 1st round WR since Luck came into the league in 2012.  That's 7 years.   The last 7 years.   I put into bold each 1st Round WR who was clearly a success.   It came to 41%.   It also showed how few WR's have been taken in the last few drafts.   That's the NFL talking, in case you weren't paying attention.    You didn't dispute one WR.    Not one.   But you called it cherry picking.   Clearly you don't know how to use that expression correctly.    And now you throw out a list of criteria as if you're making the rules here.   Here's another free tip.   You're not.   Never have.   I'm not surprised you don't recognize the facts I put into posts.   You don't use them.   You're all about the opinion.   Most posters here are.   Because that means every single poster can simply say.....    "I'm entitled to my opinion."    Yes, they are.   Everyone is,  even you, who has no need for facts.    But what you're not entitled to is your own facts.    Just like you stated Funchess was a terrible signing based on your facts,  and it never even occured to you that Ballard and Reich had other facts that showed DF could be useful to us.    You actually thought you knew more than they did?!?    Again, unbelieveable.   You had no facts to support your nonsense about Reich being a poor play caller.   You had one game.   And I called you on it.   You've been doing a very bad back-peddle ever since,  but that's your view, with no facts to support it.   In fact all the facts support the exact opposite view.   Yet, you still try to claim victory.   It's so intellectually dishonest that it's nauseating.   And so I observed,  that with almost nothing to base it on,  you thought Willis has inconsistancies.    Thanks, Capt. Obvious.    Tomorrow will likely be sunny during the day,  turning to widely scattered darkness at night.    Anymore obvious insights?   Funny, how you now publicly call for me to ignore your posts,  when a few days ago,  in a thread I was barely even in,  you took a completely uncalled for shot at me.    Or does the phrase "legend in his own mind" not mean anything to you?      Bottom line....    you can dish it out,  especially when you think no one is looking.....   but you can't take it.   Glass ego.   I call a fraud a fraud.   
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