Colts in talks with Inman

[EastStreet]

4 minutes ago, JPFolks said:

I hope it is a young burner like Hilton.. we have some big big bodies.. we need SEPARATION and a back up plan if Hilton goes down.  Plus he's getting older and we need him to train the next great Colts WR like Harrison trained Reggie and Reggie trained TY.  

 

yup. while i would prefer someone 6-2 or 6-3 and FAST, anyone that can stretch the D vertically opposite Hilton is fine. I don't care if they are sub 6 foot as long as they have great hand and can blow the top off the D. And yes, we need to start planning for when TY loses a step. I'd love someone that he could mentor for the next 4 years. I think TY would be great in slot when he does start to lose speed. 

[Jdubu]

11 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

 

Of the top 10 or 15 Os, our WR by committee group last year was arguably the worst in terms combined rating/ranking. So I wouldn't call it solid. "Potential" maybe. All we've done really is swap out the 129th WR (Grant) for the 82nd ranked WR (Funchess). I'm a huge Cain fan, but even without injury there were questions about his last year (he regressed a bit). Adding injury to the mix complicates things even more. Praying he doesn't lose a step and is a beat this year. 

 

I love the potential of some of these guys, but it's only potential at this point. I'd rank WR as the position group with the most questions/concerns. QB, OL, and TE are good. RB is trending up. DBs and LBs are at minimum solid to trending up. DEs are much improved with Houston. iDL is really the loan spot on D that really needs upgrade. In short, I like BPA, but if the delta is small between players, prioritize iDL and WR in the first 3 rounds. 

 

Inman is a good guy and is very consistent. IMO, he's limited, will never blow you away, but he's solid depth. He's a great locker room guy, and he wants to be here. Not sure if that's enough as the Inn is crowded,  and having him will limit targets to the younger guys that Ballard wants to develop. Regardless of what happens, I'm cheering for him personally.

Yeah, it’s potential which is why I said on paper. They have to show consistent play instead of showing flashes. The one factor that jumps out is the newness of the system last season. An entire new group of coaches and many players. A second year in the system may be just what the doctor ordered for a few of these guys to take the next step up for us. If we go wr with our first three round picks, I’m very much fine with it as well. I just dislike getting Funchess on that 1 year deal, wishednit was at least 2 just to get a little bit out of it if he goes off the scale in season one. 

[EastStreet]

27 minutes ago, Jdubu said:

Yeah, it’s potential which is why I said on paper. They have to show consistent play instead of showing flashes. The one factor that jumps out is the newness of the system last season. An entire new group of coaches and many players. A second year in the system may be just what the doctor ordered for a few of these guys to take the next step up for us. If we go wr with our first three round picks, I’m very much fine with it as well. I just dislike getting Funchess on that 1 year deal, wishednit was at least 2 just to get a little bit out of it if he goes off the scale in season one. 

 

I'm happy it's a one year deal honestly. but doesn't matter now. 

 

I do think another year in the system, and improved chemistry with Luck will go a long way for some. From a ceiling perspective though, still not overly optimistic with the group besides Cain. Aside from Cain, I could see Johnson and maybe Fountain taking a step forward. 

[NewColtsFan]

11 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

only if tendered. haven't seen any reports that we've tendered a qualifying offer?

we've tendered other ERFA's already, so likely means we're in a wait and see mode on Pascal.

 

The other ERFA's we've tendered already are 

» Wide receiver Marcus Johnson

» Long snapper Luke Rhodes

 

The fact we tendered MJ already, might not be a great sign for ZP.

 

ZP is on the roster.    You don't have to take my word for it.    Here's a story from the front of the  website.    Goes position by postion.    Zack is on the roster.    Says others have been tendered but have not yet signed.    The whole story is a good read.    The writer used his views to include possible candidates for draft picks.    Doubt he's using any inside info.   That would be a no-no.

 

https://www.colts.com/news/colts-offseason-needs-post-free-agency-frenzy

[EastStreet]

10 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

ZP is on the roster.    You don't have to take my word for it.    Here's a story from the front of the  website.    Goes position by postion.    Zack is on the roster.    Says others have been tendered but have not yet signed.    The whole story is a good read.    The writer used his views to include possible candidates for draft picks.    Doubt he's using any inside info.   That would be a no-no.

 

https://www.colts.com/news/colts-offseason-needs-post-free-agency-frenzy

 

ZP and MJ were both ERFAs, right?

The article is wrong by not including Johnson (who was tendered) on the roster. 

Pascal is not on the roster if not tendered. If he was tendered, he's on the roster. 

Nothing has been reported that I've seen that he has been tendered. 

 

[EastStreet]

here are two articles

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/zach-pascal-22405/

https://horseshoeheroes.com/2019/02/06/colts-2019-free-agents-zach-pascal/

 

one says he's a FA. the other shows him as an ERFA

not much out there on his original contract details (only that he was claimed off waivers), and what is out there is somewhat conflicting. i can't find anything out there saying he's under contract for 2019, but have found a few saying he's a FA/ERFA.

[ManningGM]

5 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

 

I'm happy it's a one year deal honestly. but doesn't matter now. 

 

I do think another year in the system, and improved chemistry with Luck will go a long way for some. From a ceiling perspective though, still not overly optimistic with the group besides Cain. Aside from Cain, I could see Johnson and maybe Fountain taking a step forward. 

We need to draft another WR like Deebo Samuel or Harry. I really hope they aren't gonna go out next season with the WR core we have now. 

[ManningGM]

8 hours ago, JPFolks said:

I hope it is a young burner like Hilton.. we have some big big bodies.. we need SEPARATION and a back up plan if Hilton goes down.  Plus he's getting older and we need him to train the next great Colts WR like Harrison trained Reggie and Reggie trained TY.  

 

@ 1:57, 2:20, and 4:32 

 

 

[Rally5]

On 3/21/2019 at 1:15 PM, JPFolks said:

Okay, let me be more specific.  Do you think we use one of our top 3 picks on a WR if we resign Inman?  I say no (though I have been advocating FOR doing just that, perhaps even with our first pick, as well as considering picking a high profile TE if one falls to us) but as much as I like Inman (and I do) there just isn't room.  It would likely mean of a 5 person roster, we have to lose Cain or Pascal at least.  (Plus Fountain which I fully expect short of camp injuries).  I though Pascal was on an upward arc last season and Cain is a complete ?   So, do we use a top pick, say one of our first 3, which will force us to cut at least one of the above 5 WRs.  

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I'll be shocked if we draft a WR in the first three rounds, there's a chance we don't draft one at all...I think the only way we go WR early is if somebody falls to us that just shouldn't be there and can't be ignored.  I suspect dline, oline and DB's will be our focus early.

[Jdubu]

10 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

 

I'm happy it's a one year deal honestly. but doesn't matter now. 

 

I do think another year in the system, and improved chemistry with Luck will go a long way for some. From a ceiling perspective though, still not overly optimistic with the group besides Cain. Aside from Cain, I could see Johnson and maybe Fountain taking a step forward. 

That’s about where I am as well. I love what Cain was to bring and hope he will reach that ceiling area. Fountain, I just don’t know but the team raves about his potential, we just never seen anything and the team apparently didn’t either because they cut him before bringing him back to the PS and I doubt a team does that if they seen the apparent talent traits transfer over to the field in practice. As for Johnson, he just seemed to have something in his short stent. He did drop one I recall in the wide open space but like so many receivers do over that middle, they didn’t look it all the way in, he peeked before catching the ball. I like him. Pascal did show some spurts near the end of the season when called upon as well so he could take a jump in the second season and pan out. For all the grief I’ve given towards Rogers, I’m kind of on board with what he provides but I’d still say he has maxed his ceiling for the team and could be out if any others take their game up. Either way, I think whoever sticks, we will have enough in the receiver spots to do damage. 

[EastStreet]

9 hours ago, ManningGM said:

We need to draft another WR like Deebo Samuel or Harry. I really hope they aren't gonna go out next season with the WR core we have now. 

I do like Deebo. I'm really not firm on who, just need a fast, vertical threat with good hands to stretch a D.

[EastStreet]

4 hours ago, Jdubu said:

That’s about where I am as well. I love what Cain was to bring and hope he will reach that ceiling area. Fountain, I just don’t know but the team raves about his potential, we just never seen anything and the team apparently didn’t either because they cut him before bringing him back to the PS and I doubt a team does that if they seen the apparent talent traits transfer over to the field in practice. As for Johnson, he just seemed to have something in his short stent. He did drop one I recall in the wide open space but like so many receivers do over that middle, they didn’t look it all the way in, he peeked before catching the ball. I like him. Pascal did show some spurts near the end of the season when called upon as well so he could take a jump in the second season and pan out. For all the grief I’ve given towards Rogers, I’m kind of on board with what he provides but I’d still say he has maxed his ceiling for the team and could be out if any others take their game up. Either way, I think whoever sticks, we will have enough in the receiver spots to do damage. 

On Fountain... Teams release and resign, and move back and forth to practice squad all the time. He was a very raw, one year wonder, who went to a small school in a small conference. Freak athlete with potential, but no polish. His floor is low, but his ceiling is high. If he can polish it up and work hard, he could surprise. He's a true "project" type of guy. He someone I could easily see breaking out in the AAF and making his way back to the NFL. He needs coaching more than anything.

 

Johnson has speed (sub 4.4), but might be single threaded. Not sure how he is against press coverage, but he could end up being a go-route specialist. He had crap QBs at Texas, so a bit of a mystery. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Fountain posted a video on YouTube and talked about how he was working in the off-season with a receiver coach to get better.

[Jdubu]

13 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Fountain posted a video on YouTube and talked about how he was working in the off-season with a receiver coach to get better.

I sure hope Fountain is working hard. It would great to see him succeed. 

 

@Irish YJ Johnson did have that speed as well as enough height so hopeful he is what glimmer we got to see with Luck throwing to him last year before injury. As for Fountain, I do understand the releasing and bringing them back often, however, that doesn’t usually happen with skill players who show that skill in practice so he is a head scratcher. I know he was said to be very athletic and overly raw so hopefully we can pull that out of him this season. I think we have enough guys at wr to develop this season and then look at the draft next year if someone doesn’t step up. Develop some pass rushers that are more raw than more wr’s imho. 

[JPFolks]

16 hours ago, ManningGM said:

 

@ 1:57, 2:20, and 4:32 

 

 

Thanks for sharing that.  Looks like what I am talking about.  I have one question though.. that kid from Florida chased him down from a ways back, any idea who THAT was because that dude was ultra fast?  But I like him.  I'll say this, it is a far more impressive highlight package than anything I have seen from Funchess and 4 years in the NFL.  Completely different type of player obviously, but still, imagine him with TY teaching him? Where did he measure in the 40 speed at the combine? 

[Fluke_33]

17 hours ago, ManningGM said:

 

@ 1:57, 2:20, and 4:32 

 

 

He’s got hands that’s for sure!

[smittywerb]

On 3/21/2019 at 11:30 AM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I do too. On paper Hilton, Funchess, and Inman + Ebron and Doyle = decent. It is isn't great but good. Throw in a young talented rookie WR to go with those guys and we may really have something.

 

Tbh, if TY has enough help where he isn't double-teamed every play, then this group may look even better.

[CoachLite]

11 hours ago, JPFolks said:

Thanks for sharing that.  Looks like what I am talking about.  I have one question though.. that kid from Florida chased him down from a ways back, any idea who THAT was because that dude was ultra fast?  But I like him.  I'll say this, it is a far more impressive highlight package than anything I have seen from Funchess and 4 years in the NFL.  Completely different type of player obviously, but still, imagine him with TY teaching him? Where did he measure in the 40 speed at the combine? 

There's a difference between straight line speed (Deebo ran a 4.5 - 4.49 40 IIRC, not bad), and some of the wicked cuts and routes he runs. I've been high on him for a long time. As you said, he has good hands. He's not 6'-4" ("only" 6'-0"), but we have other good tall guys. What I like is how he seems to compliment the receivers and TEs we already have.

[Mr.Debonair]

11 hours ago, JPFolks said:

Thanks for sharing that.  Looks like what I am talking about.  I have one question though.. that kid from Florida chased him down from a ways back, any idea who THAT was because that dude was ultra fast?  But I like him.  I'll say this, it is a far more impressive highlight package than anything I have seen from Funchess and 4 years in the NFL.  Completely different type of player obviously, but still, imagine him with TY teaching him? Where did he measure in the 40 speed at the combine? 

The kid that caught him from Florida is someone who will run a 4.4 or 4.3 in a few years at the Combine. That has track speed. Think he was clocked at like 4.5 going into UF as a freshamn

[Dark Superman]

I expect the Colts to draft a WR within the first 3 rounds and move on from Inman.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Ballard mentioned Inman again in interviews from the owners meetings. He said he can’t say yes or no they are still working on things but should have a resolution between now and the draft. I bet that means that we will see if we draft a WR. Not having Inman makes me nervous. I worry about not having his stability.

[TonyBungee]

1 hour ago, Chloe6124 said:

Ballard mentioned Inman again in interviews from the owners meetings. He said he can’t say yes or no they are still working on things but should have a resolution between now and the draft. I bet that means that we will see if we draft a WR. Not having Inman makes me nervous. I worry about not having his stability.

I agree.  I know he wasn't the only reason for last season's turnaround, but the fact is the Colts were dropping passes & losing close games, and then they signed Inman.

[CR91]

 

[NewColtsFan]

4 hours ago, DarkSuperman said:

I expect the Colts to draft a WR within the first 3 rounds and move on from Inman.

 

I don’t think it has to be one or the other.    It can be both. 

 

[Four2itus]

On 3/27/2019 at 2:18 AM, Rally5 said:

I'll be shocked if we draft a WR in the first three rounds, there's a chance we don't draft one at all...I think the only way we go WR early is if somebody falls to us that just shouldn't be there and can't be ignored. 

I agree. I hope for depth at OT, secondary, ...and any player who excels at A-B pocket pressure

[Rally5]

On 3/27/2019 at 3:45 AM, ManningGM said:

 

@ 1:57, 2:20, and 4:32 

 

 

Good looking player.  He runs routes well it seems, we see a lot of the 'phenom' receivers simply running go routes and catching wide open passes which never impresses me, in fact, it's usually a red flag when there's nothing in a highlight package that shows any route running ability.  I do like this highlight reel, I'm not sure where or if we draft a WR but this kid wouldn't break my heart.  It's somewhat interesting I suppose that he's a senior, meaning he didn't come out early.

[EastStreet]

 

[DerekDiggler]

On 3/26/2019 at 7:17 PM, Irish YJ said:

 

yup. while i would prefer someone 6-2 or 6-3 and FAST, anyone that can stretch the D vertically opposite Hilton is fine. I don't care if they are sub 6 foot as long as they have great hand and can blow the top off the D. And yes, we need to start planning for when TY loses a step. I'd love someone that he could mentor for the next 4 years. I think TY would be great in slot when he does start to lose speed. 

We had that in Dorsett amd Moncreif 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

On 3/27/2019 at 5:18 AM, Rally5 said:

I'll be shocked if we draft a WR in the first three rounds, there's a chance we don't draft one at all...I think the only way we go WR early is if somebody falls to us that just shouldn't be there and can't be ignored.  I suspect dline, oline and DB's will be our focus early.

 

Why would you be shocked of we went WR in the first 3 rounds??Outside of Hilton last year we probably had one of the worst WR groups in football. This year we added DF but only on a 1 year deal.

[EastStreet]

22 minutes ago, DerekDiggler said:

We had that in Dorsett amd Moncreif 

 

Dorsett was developing decently but we needed JB... PD did have 2 TDs in the postseason for NE. Wasn't a huge fan of PD. He did have speed but was unremarkable in every other aspect.

 

Moncreif did well with us, but was plagued with injury, and then Luck got hurt. He had a very solid 2018. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

The nice thing about a WR you don’t have to waste a first round pick on one. You can get studs all the way into the third round. Just look at TY and AB.

[EastStreet]

49 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

The nice thing about a WR you don’t have to waste a first round pick on one. You can get studs all the way into the third round. Just look at TY and AB.

 

There are always exceptions, but it's pretty clear there's a drop off after 1st, and again after the second. I posted a few stats and charts showing round taken and performance... It's not like TE where rounds two, and almost three are just as good as round one.

[NewColtsFan]

56 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

The nice thing about a WR you don’t have to waste a first round pick on one. You can get studs all the way into the third round. Just look at TY and AB.

 

For what it’s worth... 

 

Antonio Brown was drafted in the 6th round.

 

But this kind of thing is the more exception than the rule.  

[EastStreet]

3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

For what it’s worth... 

 

Antonio Brown was drafted in the 6th round.

 

But this kind of thing is the more exception than the rule.  

AB was lot hitting the lottery. It happens, it's just not a good strategy.

[PrincetonTiger]

13 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

For what it’s worth... 

 

Antonio Brown was drafted in the 6th round.

 

But this kind of thing is the more exception than the rule.  

There are a lot of good to great WRs who have been drafted in the 3rd or later

  the Colts have 2

[EastStreet]

54 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

There are a lot of good to great WRs who have been drafted in the 3rd or later

  the Colts have 2

the colts have 1

[PrincetonTiger]

Just now, Irish YJ said:

the colts have 1

2

Hilton(3rd)

Cain(6th)

[EastStreet]

3 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

2

Hilton(3rd)

Cain(6th)

LOL. Cain hasn't had catch one in the NFL yet. I love Cain's ceiling, but you can't even start to grade him yet.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, PrincetonTiger said:

There are a lot of good to great WRs who have been drafted in the 3rd or later

  the Colts have 2

I’m willing to go with TYH....

 

And I hope someday you’re right about Cain.    But until he proves himself in the NFL I’m nit ready to list him as an example of anything just yet.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, Irish YJ said:

AB was lot hitting the lottery. It happens, it's just not a good strategy.

Yes...   well said.   It’s a lightening strike.    Just like you can’t count on finding the next Tom Brady with the 199th puck if any draft.   Sometimes dumb luck works in your favor.   You just can’t count on it.