Tyreek Hill being investigated / abuse involving minor

[buffalo34]

Spoiler alert: Patriots vs. NFC Team is your Super Bowl next year. AFC is just lulz.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, buffalo34 said:

Spoiler alert: Patriots vs. NFC Team is your Super Bowl next year. AFC is just lulz.

If anyone takes them down it will be us with Luck healthy now. That would be fitting considering the rivalry we have had with them for the last 15 years. Luck is due. It won't be an Andy Reid led team that beats them.

[BOTT]

What a minute......the guy who strangled and punched his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach is a bad guy?  Never would have guessed.

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, BOTT said:

What a minute......the guy who strangled and punched his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach is a bad guy?  Never would have guessed.

That prosecutor probably feels good about now  

[2006Coltsbestever]

43 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Just as Mahomes gets the cover of madden. Madden curse didn’t take long.

I told everyone it is a curse.

[CamMo]

Crystal taped that without Tyreek knowing, I hope she keeps herself safe.

 

The prosecutor failed the child, neither of them should be raising the kid. Trying to get “respect” through intimidation and fear is abuser 101.  This goes beyond the NFL and my feelings for the Chiefs. I feel sad for that kid. 

 

Getting punched in the chest when he cries? Getting spanked with a belt when he “acts up.” Mysterious broken arm. Just no, no, no.  

[Mel Kiper's Hair]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26607772/hill-barred-chiefs-activities-wake-audio

 

After the release of the audio the Chiefs have barred Hill from all team activities. His days in Kansas City might be numbered.

 

Listening to that audio made me sick to my stomach. I have nothing against a parent disciplining their child, but how can anyone justify punching a 3 yr old in the chest and then using a belt on him? It sounds like this guy has some serious issues and is in need of some help.

[Myles]

 

 

I hope he never plays in the NFL again. It'd be funny because he hasn't really made much money yet. Next season was going to be his big payday. Assuming he is an * with his money, His bank account is well under $1 million at the moment. Not living in the streets by any means, but not living the life of a start NFL WR.

 


I assume he would have signed a deal similar to some on this list. Probably not the top few, but with salaries still going up, he would have fallen in the $50 to $60 million range. 
 

[IinD]

3 hours ago, Myles said:

 

 

I hope he never plays in the NFL again. It'd be funny because he hasn't really made much money yet. Next season was going to be his big payday. Assuming he is an * with his money, His bank account is well under $1 million at the moment. Not living in the streets by any means, but not living the life of a start NFL WR.

 


I assume he would have signed a deal similar to some on this list. Probably not the top few, but with salaries still going up, he would have fallen in the $50 to $60 million range. 
 

Some on this forum would've locked this guy into a 10 year 200M deal last year. Lol

[JimJaime]

This “man” doesn’t deserve be cheered forever again!   Beating a child like that is just unforgivable! 

[rock8591]

If all the allegations are true, then someone needs to pull an Aaron Hernandez on him; I would have no complaints.

[NFLfan]

On 3/18/2019 at 5:37 PM, Chloe6124 said:

Hill supposedly wasn’t even home when this last incident happened. If there really was one. Looks like the KC media made some big mistakes in reporting this story. 

 

On 3/18/2019 at 8:44 PM, Chloe6124 said:

All I am saying be very careful of believing what you read. 

 

"Be very careful" of Hill, not the media. That is what I would tell the girlfriend. 

 

No one should be punching anyone, especially a child. That is insane.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

51 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

 

"Be very careful" of Hill, not the media. That is what I would tell the girlfriend. 

 

No one should be punching anyone, especially a child. That is insane.

Why were you quoting me? I clearly posted the updates. No where did I say it was ok.

[NFLfan]

31 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Why were you quoting me? I clearly posted the updates. No where did I say it was ok.

 

I quoted you because you posted several comments stating that folks should not believe the accusations against Hill, going so far as writing to "be very careful" of what is reported in the media. It is that comment that I had a problem with. 

 

If a child comes to you and reports abuse by a parent/friend/neighbor, do you need audio or video to confirm it before you take the accusation seriously? That is a major problem in our society, especially nowadays. Kids are bullied and hazed and nothing is done about it. You see adults making excuses for the abusers all the time.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Hill looks guilty to me, the audio was very disturbing. If true he should be suspended for the whole year. Yeah you can't believe everything you read or hear from the media but this looks pretty convincing to me. He even told his GF that she should be afraid of him. Anyone that punches a 3 yr old kid needs to go to jail. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

40 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

I quoted you because you posted several comments stating that folks should not believe the accusations against Hill, going so far as writing to "be very careful" of what is reported in the media. It is that comment that I had a problem with. 

 

If a child comes to you and reports abuse by a parent/friend/neighbor, do you need audio or video to confirm it before you take the accusation seriously? That is a major problem in our society, especially nowadays. Kids are bullied and hazed and nothing is done about it. You see adults making excuses for the abusers all the time.

That is not what I said.

[JimJaime]

49 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Hill looks guilty to me, the audio was very disturbing. If true he should be suspended for the whole year. Yeah you can't believe everything you read or hear from the media but this looks pretty convincing to me. He even told his GF that she should be afraid of him. Anyone that punches a 3 yr old kid needs to go to jail. 

No he should have an indefinite suspension.   If the NFL is doing that for people using drugs anything less for someone like this is just not right.  He (if the audio is not altered etc) sounded like he was right and justified to do this.. BUT when question denies he did/does this.. which shows he knows it’s wrong and doesn’t give a damn. 

[NFLfan]

38 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

That is not what I said.

 

  What did you not say (or write)? You wrote to "be very careful" what the media is reporting and wrote other comments giving Hill the benefit of the doubt. The posts I am referring to are all on the first page. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

38 minutes ago, JimJaime said:

No he should have an indefinite suspension.   If the NFL is doing that for people using drugs anything less for someone like this is just not right.  He (if the audio is not altered etc) sounded like he was right and justified to do this.. BUT when question denies he did/does this.. which shows he knows it’s wrong and doesn’t give a damn. 

Yeah if true, he should be banned for life for what he did here. Abusing a child like that is terrible. It is far worse than what Peterson did to his child IMO. It is said the kids arm is broken. I doubt anyone would pick him up if all is true anyway. I would hope the Colts wouldn't and pretty much know Irsay and Ballard wouldn't.

[NFLfan]

11 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah if true, he should be banned for life for what he did here. Abusing a child like that is terrible. It is far worse than what Peterson did to his child IMO. It is said the kids arm is broken. I doubt anyone would pick him up if all is true anyway. I would hope the Colts wouldn't and pretty much know Irsay and Ballard wouldn't.

 

I never believe in banning anyone for life. People change. I think people should be punished so that they can learn. But he should get a stiff punishment like a year suspension. What he allegedly did is worse than anything Josh Gordon ever did and Gordon is out of the league. Yes, I agree that this is worse than what Peterson did. JMO

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

I never believe in banning anyone for life. People change. I think people should be punished so that they can learn. But he should get a stiff punishment like a year suspension. What he allegedly did is worse than anything Josh Gordon ever did and Gordon is out of the league. Yes, I agree that this is worse than what Peterson did. JMO

I believe in 2nd chances too but he already beat up an ex GF in college, now this. I definitely agree in a year suspension which I posted above.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I believe in 2nd chances too but he already beat up an ex GF in college, now this. I definitely agree in a year suspension which I posted above.

It is the same woman.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

39 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

  What did you not say (or write)? You wrote to "be very careful" what the media is reporting and wrote other comments giving Hill the benefit of the doubt. The posts I am referring to are all on the first page. 

I was talking about letting the FACTS come out before saying someone is guilty. The facts are out now. Everyone deserves the presumption of innocents until there are actual facts. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, Chloe6124 said:

It is the same woman.

I did not know that. Why would she put up with someone's behavior like that? It has probably happened more than once then and hasn't been reported, just a hunch.

[NFLfan]

44 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

I was talking about letting the FACTS come out before saying someone is guilty. The facts are out now. Everyone deserves the presumption of innocents until there are actual facts. 

 

In a court of law, yes. This is not a court of law. It is rather silly for folks to continue throwing that "innocent until proven guilty" card when we know this is true only in a court of law. Here is one example: Don't folks get arrested all the time without a "presumption of innocence"? That's just one.

 

Anyway, at which point do we know the "actual facts" (in any situation)? Do we know the "facts" now in the Hill case? Some may argue that since no charges were brought, Hill must be innocent.  Is he? Hence, I ask "When is a fact an 'actual fact'?" Is video and auditory evidence needed for something to be an "actual fact"?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

31 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

In a court of law, yes. This is not a court of law. It is rather silly for folks to continue throwing that "innocent until proven guilty" card when we know this is true only in a court of law. Here is one example: Don't folks get arrested all the time without a "presumption of innocence"? That's just one.

 

Anyway, at which point do we know the "actual facts" (in any situation)? Do we know the "facts" now in the Hill case? Some may argue that since no charges were brought, Hill must be innocent.  Is he? Hence, I ask "When is a fact an 'actual fact'?" Is video and auditory evidence needed for something to be an "actual fact"?

You can bet that with this tape coming out he will be prosecuted and could do some jail time.

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

You can bet that with this tape coming out he will be prosecuted and could do some jail time.

Yeah Football wise he may never play another down. This isn't like what Hunt did either if true. 

[NFLfan]

27 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

You can bet that with this tape coming out he will be prosecuted and could do some jail time.

 

Yes, for sure.

 

Since you did not answer the question directly, based on your reply, one can assume that  you believe that an accusation is an "actual fact" when there is video or auditory evidence. Okay.

[CamMo]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26629922/nfl-put-hill-exempt-list-week

 

Nfl could possible put Hill on the exempt list as early as this week.

[18to87]

11 hours ago, Nulled said:

I think the Chiefs learned a lot from the Kareem Hunt fiasco, and the Adrian Peterson fiasco.

 

Why should a team cut a star player when they know that another team is going to pick that player up as soon as they are eligible to play again? You don't see the Redskins catching flack for Peterson, and you don't really hear anyone saying how morally wrong the Browns are for signing Hunt. It's really crazy. As much as it sucks, If I'm the Chiefs, I wouldn't cut Hill. He's going to be playing somewhere, might as well be KC.

 

He shouldn't be playing this year at least though

[ColtsBlueFL]

5 hours ago, Nulled said:

 

No doubt, but the crowd calling for the Chiefs to release Hill are silly. I get it, he messed up, but it's not like he will be banned from the NFL. Might as well keep him.

 

 As long as suspension comes in timely. Being placed on the commissioners exempt list by itself doesn't absolve the team of having to pay him.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

 

[Superman]

On 4/28/2019 at 9:49 AM, NFLfan said:

In a court of law, yes. This is not a court of law. It is rather silly for folks to continue throwing that "innocent until proven guilty" card when we know this is true only in a court of law. Here is one example: Don't folks get arrested all the time without a "presumption of innocence"? That's just one.

 

I disagree.

 

The reason the presumption of innocence and the standard of proof is so high in criminal cases is because the penalty for guilt is severe. You're taking away a person's freedom, so we must determine to a reasonable degree that the person is guilty of what they're being accused of. Potentially severe consequences = high standard of proof and a presumption of innocence.

 

Even an arrest is not lawful without probable cause, or sufficient reason based upon facts to believe that a crime was committed. Suspicion, hunches, etc., are not probable cause, and while it's subjective, there is still a high standard to establish probable cause (at least, there should be).

 

When it comes to accusations against against an employee, or a public figure, there is no presumption of innocence, particularly among the public and on the Internet. Yet, if the public and media got their way, a lot of people would be dealt severe consequences without a reasonable determination of facts. There is now an environment, typified by so-called "cancel culture," that would strip individuals of their jobs, their livelihood, their status and reputation, even sometimes their family and their rights, mostly without regard for established fact. All it takes is an accusation, or a group of accusations, and people are ready to ride against the accused person, mostly on the basis of outrage and moral superiority.

 

These are severe consequences. 'He should never be allowed to play again,' or even 'he should be suspended for a long time' or 'the Chiefs should get rid of him' are severe responses. Before we can talk about whether the wrongdoing calls for such severity, shouldn't we determine as a matter of fact what actually happened, and whether the person accused is actually guilty?

 

The principle regarding a presumption of innocence and due process exists to protect people from being penalized as a result of wrong accusations (for a variety of very important reasons -- bias, financial motivations, revenge, honest mistakes, etc.) We've gotten to a point where the public and the media can orchestrate punishment against people, without any regard for due process. It's not as severe as being imprisoned, but there can still be serious consequences as a result of public accusations. 

 

So I disagree that it's silly to apply the presumption of innocence to situations like this. I'm not saying no one should have or state opinions about situations like this, but there's a line that's often crossed, where the general public 'decides' that a person who has been accused is scum, and deserves to be punished to the most severe degree possible. And that's inherently unfair, and contrary to the reason for a presumption of innocence and due process in the first place. 

[esmort]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

I disagree...... 

 

^^^ This.. 

 

It's getting to the point that the media and the public has anointed itself judge, jury, and executioner. 

 

Even if you feel there is no doubt that a person is guilty letting the media and public opinion influence guilt and punishment without an assumption of innocence is a bad road to go down; a slippery slope that may one day infringe on everyone's rights. 

[crazycolt1]

I have avoided this thread because I am not the judge, jury or the executioner.

I don't know all the facts and know in the back of my mind that the media is guilty of sensationalizing things at every opportunity.

I feel I am not in a position to judge at this point without knowing what is fact, or what is not.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I would like to know what the heck the nfl is taking so long for. That tape was enough. You don’t want someone like that in the league. It doesn’t even matter at this point if he is guilty of abusing his son. That tape was so bad he should be gone. This isn’t hard.

[BigQungus]

On 4/29/2019 at 11:04 AM, Nulled said:

I think the Chiefs learned a lot from the Kareem Hunt fiasco, and the Adrian Peterson fiasco.

 

Why should a team cut a star player when they know that another team is going to pick that player up as soon as they are eligible to play again? You don't see the Redskins catching flack for Peterson, and you don't really hear anyone saying how morally wrong the Browns are for signing Hunt. It's really crazy. As much as it sucks, If I'm the Chiefs, I wouldn't cut Hill. He's going to be playing somewhere, might as well be KC.

 

No, because Kareem Hunt lightly "kicked" a woman in the leg after SHE attacked him. Was it the right thing to do? Of course not. But is it anywhere near as bad as what Tyreek Hill did? Not even close. I'm not sure that another team will pick him up. The league will ban him anyways as soon as he is picked up. 

[BOTT]

On 4/28/2019 at 8:39 AM, NFLfan said:

 

 

"Be very careful" of Hill, not the media. That is what I would tell the girlfriend. 

 

No one should be punching anyone, especially a child. That is insane.

I'm good with someone punching Hill.

[esmort]

50 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

I would like to know what the heck the nfl is taking so long for. That tape was enough. You don’t want someone like that in the league. It doesn’t even matter at this point if he is guilty of abusing his son. That tape was so bad he should be gone. This isn’t hard.

 

Better to err on the side of caution, fully investigate, and not getting swept up in the angry mob. It's not like the season starts tomorrow. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 hour ago, esmort said:

 

Better to err on the side of caution, fully investigate, and not getting swept up in the angry mob. It's not like the season starts tomorrow. 

That’s true. Probably want to make sure the tape can be authenticated also. The nfl just looks bad.

 

The nfl needs to crack down on teams who draft players who have incidents like this before they draft them. Maybe tell them if they draft this player and he does something like that again the team loses a draft pick or is fined.