Bengals looking to trade John Ross

[CR91]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/26/bengals-looking-to-trade-john-ross/

 

This I might entertain. That is a lot of speed on our field turf combined with the speed of Hilton, Mack, and Hines

[MPStack]

Another combine stud turned bust!

 

Easy no for the Colts.

[csmopar]

Pass... 

[Boiler_Colt]

Ross' career so far makes Dorsett look like Megatron.

[PeterBowman]

They include Geno Atkins and I'd do it.

[Fluke_33]

1/3 of his catches go for tds!  (this is true but a tongue in cheek comment)

 

He's worth picking up when they release him but i wouldn't want to trade for him.

[aaron11]

offer a late pick, if they say no then walk away

 

i do think he could be good here, but we cant pay too much.  his dead cap hit is high enough that they wont just release him this year, but they could next year

[twfish]

lol, this is why 40 times mean almost nothing too me.I think we all could have said he was going to bust when he was taken that high especially since he hurt his hamstring after the 40

[John Waylon]

If we can get him for a 5th or later I’d actually be in favor. Cincinnati hasn’t exactly been the place for him to flourish. 

 

I think Reich could scheme up some plays and get the ball in his hands. And Luck is more capable of getting the ball in his hands than anyone in Cincinnati was.

[Moosejawcolt]

I myself wouldn't mind taking a chance on him. However, it appears that Ballard and Reich may prefer bigger receivers who can block in the run game.

[John Waylon]

3 hours ago, MPStack said:

Another combine stud turned bust!

 

Easy no for the Colts.

 

Kinda like Eric Ebron. Except Ebron had more healthy years to earn the bust tag. 

 

3 hours ago, Boiler_Colt said:

Ross' career so far makes Dorsett look like Megatron.

 

Yeah, no. Not even close. Ross caught more touchdowns last season alone than Dorsett has in his whole career. Dorsett also only caught 80 more yards in his first season than Ross did, so again, yeah, no. 

[CozyColt]

We can take his salary but it's going to be interesting whether Ballard is willing to give up a pick. In all of his trades so far he hasn't given up a pick straight for a player. Haven't watched the bengals so the only memory of him i have is him burning quincy wilson for a TD against us where he looked 3 times faster than quincy which was impressive.

[YourManBlu]

I would love him for a 5th.  Lot of potential and i would think he would be fun in the slot.  Still need a big WR imo since we already have TY.  But if he doesn’t work out as a WR I’d love to have an electric returner.  Can’t remember ever having a return man that was as electric as him at least.

[21isSuperman]

He certainly has good physical ability.  I'd be curious to see if they accept a 5th or 6th round pick for him.

[krunk]

How reliable is he?  Maybe he'd be an upgrade over Chester Rogers, but Chester is probably more reliable in terms of staying on the field.

[John Hammonds]

As the starter and the Savior of our Offense?  No.

As quality depth with untapped potential at the right price?  Sure, why not?

[Hoosiernsavga]

Bengals excepting the fact that Ross is a bust! With his injuries and not being able to make any kind of impact without Green im the lineup.  And now with the play from Boyd. Ross wont see much PT if any. They're hoping for anything in trade for Ross at this point. 

[BluHorzhu]

Is this another guy who can be lumped into the "Darius Heyward-Bey" category?  Guys who WOW at the combine and make playground highlights in college, then come to the NFL with simple straight-line speed and a wealth of disappointment.  This seems to be a recent trend.

[Flash7]

John Ross 2018 Stats:

21 Recs   210 YDs   10.0 Avg.   7 TDs

 

Zach Pascal 2018 Stats:

27 Recs  268 YDs  9.9 Avg.   2 TDs

 

I would rather not give up anything of value for output similar (except for # of TDs) to our #4 receiver.

[Dark Superman]

No thanks.

[MFT5]

for a 5th it’s a no brainer

[Boiler_Colt]

3 hours ago, John Waylon said:

 

Kinda like Eric Ebron. Except Ebron had more healthy years to earn the bust tag. 

 

 

Yeah, no. Not even close. Ross caught more touchdowns last season alone than Dorsett has in his whole career. Dorsett also only caught 80 more yards in his first season than Ross did, so again, yeah, no. 

Dude had a whopping Zero catches his first year and 21 for 210 yds his second year. Dorsett had 225 yds his first year, not sure where you got 80. 10 yards per reception for a speedster is pathetic. As the 9th overall pick, he's been a massive bust. He wasn't even that great in college.

[John Waylon]

2 hours ago, Boiler_Colt said:

Dude had a whopping Zero catches his first year and 21 for 210 yds his second year. Dorsett had 225 yds his first year, not sure where you got 80. 10 yards per reception for a speedster is pathetic. As the 9th overall pick, he's been a massive bust. He wasn't even that great in college.

 

He played whole 17 snaps in 3 games during his rookie year. He had shoulder surgery in March, and was never fully healthy or ready to play at any point during that season. 2017 might as well not even be counted as his rookie season. 

 

You’re correct about Dorsett’s First season numbers, I used his 2018 numbers. 

 

But for the love of all that’s good and holy  don’t sit here and act like 18 catches for 225 yards and 1 TD is somehow better than 21 for 210 and SEVEN * TOUCHDOWNS. 

 

Which, again, just for the record, Dorsett has not caught 7 touchdowns IN FOUR YEARS. 

 

Who has Ross had orchestrating an offense?

 

Bill Lazor. How much did that guy struggle this year?

 

Who was throwing Ross the ball?

 

 Do I really have to sit here and hold your hand to explain that Andy Dalton isn’t exactly the best QB in the world? Or about how 6 games with JEFF FREAKING DRISKEL at quarterback did absolutely nothing to help anyone?

 

Dorsett’s numbers have been pedestrian with far better coaching and quarterback play. 

 

Why are we talking about where the Bengals drafted him? What bearing does that have on anything? They could have traded every draft pick they will get until the end of time and drafted him #1 overall and it still has absolutely no bearing here. They reached. So what? His first real season and Dorsett’s are no comparison, he wipes the floor with him. 

 

BUT WAIT! THERE’S MORE!

 

Don’t be surprised in the slightest to see the Patriots send a late round pick to the Bengals for him AND REPLACE DORSETT WITH HIM. 

 

You tried to dump on the guy. 

 

You were way off the mark. 

 

Is what it is. 

[stitches]

10 hours ago, MPStack said:

Another combine stud turned bust!

 

Easy no for the Colts.

That's something that surprised me. Ross was not JUST a combine stud. He actually had really good tape. He's been injured a lot, but I have not watched him a lot when healthy so I don't know what his issues have been in the league. If they waive him and he clears waivers, I wouldn't mind taking a shot on him on a minimum type of contract, but I wouldn't want to pay him what he's paid now. 

[Dark Superman]

Not even Andrew Luck and Frank Reich can save Ross.

[shasta519]

15 hours ago, John Waylon said:

 

Kinda like Eric Ebron. Except Ebron had more healthy years to earn the bust tag. 

 

 

Yeah, no. Not even close. Ross caught more touchdowns last season alone than Dorsett has in his whole career. Dorsett also only caught 80 more yards in his first season than Ross did, so again, yeah, no. 

 

Ross also missed his nearly all of his first season due to injury. So if Deon Cain doesn't light the world on fire next season...I assume we call him a bust too.

 

Injuries are definitely a concern with Ross now...but I would gladly take a flyer on him if it's cheap.

[shasta519]

8 hours ago, stitches said:

That's something that surprised me. Ross was not JUST a combine stud. He actually had really good tape. He's been injured a lot, but I have not watched him a lot when healthy so I don't know what his issues have been in the league. If they waive him and he clears waivers, I wouldn't mind taking a shot on him on a minimum type of contract, but I wouldn't want to pay him what he's paid now. 

 

Yeah...he wasn't just a workout warrior. That 40 might have bumped him from the teens to #9...but he was firmly a top 20 pick before it. 

 

In his last season in college, he put up 1,100+ yards and 17 TDs. His tape was great...and you could his speed translate to the field.

[shasta519]

14 hours ago, Flash7 said:

John Ross 2018 Stats:

21 Recs   210 YDs   10.0 Avg.   7 TDs

 

Zach Pascal 2018 Stats:

27 Recs  268 YDs  9.9 Avg.   2 TDs

 

I would rather not give up anything of value for output similar (except for # of TDs) to our #4 receiver.

 

You're not giving up anything for Ross' past output. You are giving up something for potential and upside...which Ross would have in this offense. The real question is can he hold up.

[shasta519]

18 hours ago, aaron11 said:

offer a late pick, if they say no then walk away

 

i do think he could be good here, but we cant pay too much.  his dead cap hit is high enough that they wont just release him this year, but they could next year

 

They won't release him. I honestly don't even think they trade him unless they get a legit pick back.

 

I would be willing to give up a 5th round pick for him...just to have Luck take a few shots each game and keep the defense honest.

[Boiler_Colt]

9 hours ago, John Waylon said:

 

He played whole 17 snaps in 3 games during his rookie year. He had shoulder surgery in March, and was never fully healthy or ready to play at any point during that season. 2017 might as well not even be counted as his rookie season. 

 

You’re correct about Dorsett’s First season numbers, I used his 2018 numbers. 

 

But for the love of all that’s good and holy  don’t sit here and act like 18 catches for 225 yards and 1 TD is somehow better than 21 for 210 and SEVEN * TOUCHDOWNS. 

 

Which, again, just for the record, Dorsett has not caught 7 touchdowns IN FOUR YEARS. 

 

Who has Ross had orchestrating an offense?

 

Bill Lazor. How much did that guy struggle this year?

 

Who was throwing Ross the ball?

 

 Do I really have to sit here and hold your hand to explain that Andy Dalton isn’t exactly the best QB in the world? Or about how 6 games with JEFF FREAKING DRISKEL at quarterback did absolutely nothing to help anyone?

 

Dorsett’s numbers have been pedestrian with far better coaching and quarterback play. 

 

Why are we talking about where the Bengals drafted him? What bearing does that have on anything? They could have traded every draft pick they will get until the end of time and drafted him #1 overall and it still has absolutely no bearing here. They reached. So what? His first real season and Dorsett’s are no comparison, he wipes the floor with him. 

 

BUT WAIT! THERE’S MORE!

 

Don’t be surprised in the slightest to see the Patriots send a late round pick to the Bengals for him AND REPLACE DORSETT WITH HIM. 

 

You tried to dump on the guy. 

 

You were way off the mark. 

 

Is what it is. 

John Ross must be your cousin or something.

[John Waylon]

1 hour ago, Boiler_Colt said:

John Ross must be your cousin or something.

 

Oh please. I said if we can get him for a 5th or cheaper it’s worth a shot. And if he doesn’t make it out of training camp oh well. 

 

You came along with a foolish statement and then doubled down on it (weakening your own argument in the process by conceding that Dorsett gained less yards than I actually gave him credit for,) and I’m just presenting you with the facts to prove your initial statement was a load of complete rubbish. 

 

Now you’re trying to deflect. 

 

Come on. 

[Boiler_Colt]

2 minutes ago, John Waylon said:

 

Oh please. I said if we can get him for a 5th or cheaper it’s worth a shot. And if he doesn’t make it out of training camp oh well. 

 

You came along with a foolish statement and then doubled down on it (weakening your own argument in the process by conceding that Dorsett gained less yards than I actually gave him credit for,) and I’m just presenting you with the facts to prove your initial statement was a load of complete rubbish. 

 

Now you’re trying to deflect. 

 

Come on. 

You're writing a novel each time to defend and make excuses for an obvious bust.  I have no quarrel with you I just can't fathom your stance on Ross and why you're getting so worked up about him. Yes, my original Dorsett comment was meant as a joke, but as bad as he was the fact is he had over 3 times as many yards through his first two years as Ross.

 

 

[Hoosiernsavga]

As far as Dalton not being a good QB for the reasoning on Ross performance. I agree Dalton is not good. But Tyler Boyd sure looked great this season in Cincinnati with Dalton at QB. And with the absence of AJ Green, Ross still couldn't contribute to the offense...

I wouldn't even trade a 6th round for him honestly. For the reason we drafted Cain in the 6th round last season. Cain hasn't even played a NFL regular season game yet and i wouldnt trade Cain's upside for Ross. 

[Valpo2004]

Pass. . . this dude probably has a ton of guaranteed salary left on his contract being a former first round pick.  

 

That's not the kind of contract you want for a guy you are essentially kicking the tires on.  

 

Edit:  Just check this.  It looks like the entire remainder of his contract is guaranteed.  I'd sign him as a free agent on a prove it deal at minimum salary with no guaranteed money and let him essentially try out for the team.  But I oppose bringing him in with around 4.7 Million in guaranteed salary on his contract.  

[shasta519]

8 minutes ago, Hoosiernsavga said:

As far as Dalton not being a good QB for the reasoning on Ross performance. I agree Dalton is not good. But Tyler Boyd sure looked great this season in Cincinnati with Dalton at QB. And with the absence of AJ Green, Ross still couldn't contribute to the offense...

I wouldn't even trade a 6th round for him honestly. For the reason we drafted Cain in the 6th round last season. Cain hasn't even played a NFL regular season game yet and i wouldnt trade Cain's upside for Ross. 

 

This was Boyd's third season with Dalton...and he was coming off an underwhelming 2nd season (much like Ross). Boyd sort of proves the point about some WRs taking time to develop.

 

I would say Ross has just as much upside as Cain...especially in the Colts system. 

 

Cain is basically where Ross was before last season started (lost rookie years). And both now have questions regarding injuries.

 

If Ballard traded a 6th round pick for Ross...I don't think anyone here would call it a bad move. Even if John Ross did nothing but run straight down the field every play...it's not a bad move.

 

 

[Valpo2004]

12 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

 

This was Boyd's third season with Dalton...and he was coming off an underwhelming 2nd season (much like Ross). Boyd sort of proves the point about some WRs taking time to develop.

 

I would say Ross has just as much upside as Cain...especially in the Colts system. 

 

Cain is basically where Ross was before last season started (lost rookie years). And both now have questions regarding injuries.

 

If Ballard traded a 6th round pick for Ross...I don't think anyone here would call it a bad move. Even if John Ross did nothing but run straight down the field every play...it's not a bad move.

 

 

 

It's a terrible move.  Once you trade for him you are responsible for paying him 4.7 million dollars in guaranteed salary.  

 

Cain is on a minimum salary deal and can be released for $124k the remainder of his signing bonus.  

[shasta519]

42 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

It's a terrible move.  Once you trade for him you are responsible for paying him 4.7 million dollars in guaranteed salary.  

 

Cain is on a minimum salary deal and can be released for $124k the remainder of his signing bonus.  

 

So? That's gtd money is less than what Ballard guaranteed Ryan Grant just for last season...a mediocre WR entering his age 28 season who hadn't shown much in four years in the league. 

 

I don't seem to remember the pitch forks coming out for that move. In fact, most people really liked it (for some strange reason)...especially at the price.

 

At least Ross is young (24) with elite speed and upside. I would much rather roll the dice on a guy like Ross than pay market price for a mediocre WR like Grant. 

 

It's not like they would be relying on Ross to become the WR2 next season. It would be an upside play...the type which people have consistently praised Ballard for. If he made that deal...very few people would take issue with it.

 

Regardless...since when are the Colts strapped for cash?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hoosiernsavga]

10 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

 

So? That's gtd money is less than what Ballard guaranteed Ryan Grant just for last season...a mediocre WR entering his age 28 season who hadn't shown much in four years in the league. 

 

I don't seem to remember the pitch forks coming out for that move. In fact, most people really liked it (for some strange reason)...especially at the price.

 

At least Ross is young (24) with elite speed and upside. I would much rather roll the dice on a guy like Ross than pay market price for a mediocre WR like Grant. 

 

It's not like they would be relying on Ross to become the WR2 next season. It would be an upside play...the type which people have consistently praised Ballard for. If he made that deal...very few people would take issue with it.

 

Regardless...since when are the Colts strapped for cash?

 

 

 

 

 

 

The huge difference is we signed Grant in FA to a one year deal. Plus Grant has shown more promise in the league than Ross. If Ross was a FA okay but hes not worth much if anything in trade. 

[aaron11]

4 minutes ago, Hoosiernsavga said:

The huge difference is we signed Grant in FA to a one year deal. Plus Grant has shown more promise in the league than Ross. If Ross was a FA okay but hes not worth much if anything in trade. 

i dont agree, he may not get traded if they dont like the offers but i think hes worth more than nothing

 

remember dorsett had done less than him and he was traded

[Hoosiernsavga]

5 hours ago, shastamasta said:

 

Ross also missed his nearly all of his first season due to injury. So if Deon Cain doesn't light the world on fire next season...I assume we call him a bust too.

 

Injuries are definitely a concern with Ross now...but I would gladly take a flyer on him if it's cheap.

Hard to be a bust when Cain was a 6th round draft pick not a 1st round draft pick like Ross...

The only way Ross will be cheap enough is when he hits FA.