Colts Defense Film Session

[BlueShoe]

Film session of the Colts vs the Cowboys. 

 

Colts Defense Film Session

 

 

[BlueShoe]

I want to see a healthy Tyquan Lewis.

[throwing BBZ]

A nice primer for the many here that Need one.
There is good reason to expect a jump from our current youth in year two.
 

[BlueShoe]

1 hour ago, throwing BBZ said:

A nice primer for the many here that Need one.
There is good reason to expect a jump from our current youth in year two.
 

 

I agree. Our young defense has some potential, and our scheme is masking some of our inexperience and weaknesses. Matt Eberflus is doing an outstanding job. 

[dodsworth]

Another year of maturation for our young defense and the talent

infusion that is yet to come, and this defense will make another step

next year towards the top in defenses.

 

I can't wait for the new additions in the next couple of months.

[BleedBlu8792]

9 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

I want to see a healthy Tyquan Lewis.

 

I want to see a healthy Tyquan Lewis as well, but at 260'ish lbs, not the 275-280 they have him ballooned up to now. He didn't play anywhere close to that at OSU, and I get they want him to play more inside, but I don't think his frame holds that weight very well. He looked better, and played faster, when he was in the low 260's. 

[BlueShoe]

47 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

I want to see a healthy Tyquan Lewis as well, but at 260'ish lbs, not the 275-280 they have him ballooned up to now. He didn't play anywhere close to that at OSU, and I get they want him to play more inside, but I don't think his frame holds that weight very well. He looked better, and played faster, when he was in the low 260's. 

 

Yeah. He is much heavier than what he played in college and it shows. I think it could have something to do with the injuries though. 

 

A friend of mine played for the Oakland Raiders, and we were talking about this yesterday. When you’re working out every day and not missing practice then it’s normal to lose weight as the season progresses. However, the opposite typically happens when you’re hurt and missing reps in practice. 

 

I think Lewis just needs to get healthy. Once he is available full time, then we should see that weight drop. 

[Scott Pennock]

I'd still rather see Lewis in more of the Sheard role instead of yet another undersized 3-Tech on the Colts dline.

[BleedBlu8792]

3 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Yeah. He is much heavier than what he played in college and it shows. I think it could have something to do with the injuries though. 

 

A friend of mine played for the Oakland Raiders, and we were talking about this yesterday. When you’re working out every day and not missing practice then it’s normal to lose weight as the season progresses. However, the opposite typically happens when you’re hurt and missing reps in practice. 

 

I think Lewis just needs to get healthy. Once he is available full time, then we should see that weight drop. 

I don't think it was totally the injuries. I believe he was pushed to add weight so he could play inside (3-tech) more, and I believe there was an article during OTA's that talked about this. He didn't play as much inside, as people believe, at OSU, so I don't know why the Colts want to push him more into that role.  In the rare times that the Colts want to use their speed/NASCAR package, sure move him inside, but Tyquan should always be a DE first.

 

I'm not advocating this, but if the Colts want another  small'ish pass rushing interior D-lineman, Dre'mont Jones is perfect because he can hold 285-290 and still be extremely agile. However, as I've said in other threads, a) Jihad Ward is exactly the same player and played extremely well in the first 5 weeks before he got hurt and b) I don't believe Dre'mont is great value for us at #26. 

 

3 hours ago, Scott Pennock said:

I'd still rather see Lewis in more of the Sheard role instead of yet another undersized 3-Tech on the Colts dline.

 

Exactly my thoughts as well. 

[BlueShoe]

10 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

I don't think it was totally the injuries. I believe he was pushed to add weight so he could play inside (3-tech) more, and I believe there was an article during OTA's that talked about this. He didn't play as much inside, as people believe, at OSU, so I don't know why the Colts want to push him more into that role.  In the rare times that the Colts want to use their speed/NASCAR package, sure move him inside, but Tyquan should always be a DE first.

 

It would make no sense to move Lewis inside on non-passing-downs. I am sure the coaching staff has no desire to do so. 

[BleedBlu8792]

6 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

It would make no sense to move Lewis inside on non-passing-downs. I am sure the coaching staff has no desire to do so. 

 

I agree completely, and I could have mis-read what the Colts articles/Ballard were conveying, but it sounded like to me they wanted him to eventually play more inside than outside and that's why they want him up in the 280's. Again, that is something I just don't agree with. 

[Lawrence Owen]

IDK, In a 4-3, you want all your down linemen to be quick of the ball, and able to get penetration.  If an O-lineman get's his full block on you, then you are stopped, and the linebackers have a clogged lane they can't run through to make a play.  Obviously, you want your edges to be a bit smaller, and faster, but you don't want 300+ guys at DT in that scheme.  All it takes is 1 guy on the line to beat his block off the ball, and it redirects a run play, or stuff's it behind the line.  So if the lineman beats his blocker, and the blocker has to move with him to block him out of the play, that leaves a big hole for a linebacker to move into to blow things up.  So either way, you want that penetration from all your linemen in that scheme.

[BlueShoe]

On 2/21/2019 at 7:04 PM, Scott Pennock said:

I'd still rather see Lewis in more of the Sheard role instead of yet another undersized 3-Tech on the Colts dline.

 

Yeah. I think that is what he will evolve into for us. I see him eventually lining up at LDE against right tackles. 

 

He has to get healthy though. He missed half the year, and played hurt the rest. 

[Scott Pennock]

5 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Yeah. I think that is what he will evolve into for us. I see him eventually lining up at LDE against right tackles. 

 

He has to get healthy though. He missed half the year, and played hurt the rest. 

I feel like we'll double down on interior defensive lineman in the draft this year and those guys will develop with Stewart, Ward, and Autry to form a solid group of tackles.

 

Sheard and Lewis over the RT

FA/Draft Pick/Turay over the LT

 

With the likes of Winbush, Phillips and Muhammad pushing for a spot on the roster.

 

Of course free agency will help shape the draft.

[BlueShoe]

1 hour ago, Scott Pennock said:

I feel like we'll double down on interior defensive lineman in the draft this year and those guys will develop with Stewart, Ward, and Autry to form a solid group of tackles.

 

Sheard and Lewis over the RT

FA/Draft Pick/Turay over the LT

 

With the likes of Winbush, Phillips and Muhammad pushing for a spot on the roster.

 

Of course free agency will help shape the draft.

 

I think that is very reasonable.

 

I think we are solid at defensive tackle, but we are not great and it's a position that we should constantly spend draft picks on. We made the mistake of not spending enough draft picks on defensive tackles the last time we ran this defense, and our defense struggled because of it. Hopefully this go around we will invest in the defensive tackle position. 

[Scott Pennock]

16 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I think that is very reasonable.

 

I think we are solid at defensive tackle, but we are not great and it's a position that we should constantly spend draft picks on. We made the mistake of not spending enough draft picks on defensive tackles the last time we ran this defense, and our defense struggled because of it. Hopefully this go around we will invest in the defensive tackle position. 

Amen to that brother! The Keyunta Dawsons.....Sweet Pea Burns....and even Raheem Brocks of the world just got ran over back in the day.....

[joeb]

Grady Jarett from Atlanta would be a nice addition. 

[Coffeedrinker]

On 2/23/2019 at 8:08 PM, BlueShoe said:

 

I think that is very reasonable.

 

I think we are solid at defensive tackle, but we are not great and it's a position that we should constantly spend draft picks on. We made the mistake of not spending enough draft picks on defensive tackles the last time we ran this defense, and our defense struggled because of it. Hopefully this go around we will invest in the defensive tackle position. 

That would indicate you are in favor of "reaching" for draft picks just because they play DT.  Am I reading that correctly?

 

Because Polian stated numerous times that for the DT they would prefer size and speed/agility but those players are rare and they weren't going to abandon their board to draft a position.

[BlueShoe]

33 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

That would indicate you are in favor of "reaching" for draft picks just because they play DT.  Am I reading that correctly?

 

Because Polian stated numerous times that for the DT they would prefer size and speed/agility but those players are rare and they weren't going to abandon their board to draft a position.

 

No. I would not reach, but I would highly value the position.

 

Bill Polian valued "skill players" more than I do. If all things were equal (Grade and Need) between a receiver and a defensive tackle then I think Bill  liked to side with the receiver... On the other hand, I would side with the defensive tackle. Bill was a great GM, but he often fell for the desert and candy without first eating the steak and potatoes.

 

I am absolutely all about building the trenches. I would prefer to have above average RB,'s WR's, and TE's with a great offensive line than to have an average offensive line and great talent at the other positions. I have the same philosophy for the defensive side of the ball as well. 

 

That said, I believe that franchise QB's need to be properly paid. As a GM, the majority of my cap space would be invested in QB, OL, and the front seven. 

 

I know others will have a different opinion and everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and ideas. These are my core beliefs of how a football team should be built. I understand that my ideas are not for everyone.  

[Coffeedrinker]

43 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

No. I would not reach, but I would highly value the position.

 

Bill Polian valued "skill players" more than I do. If all things were equal (Grade and Need) between a receiver and a defensive tackle then I think Bill  liked to side with the receiver... On the other hand, I would side with the defensive tackle. Bill was a great GM, but he often fell for the desert and candy without first eating the steak and potatoes.

 

I am absolutely all about building the trenches. I would prefer to have above average RB,'s WR's, and TE's with a great offensive line than to have an average offensive line and great talent at the other positions. I have the same philosophy for the defensive side of the ball as well. 

 

That said, I believe that franchise QB's need to be properly paid. As a GM, the majority of my cap space would be invested in QB, OL, and the front seven. 

 

I know others will have a different opinion and everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and ideas. These are my core beliefs of how a football team should be built. I understand that my ideas are not for everyone.  

Thanks for the explanation.