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I know Kwon tore his Acl in October but I truly believe when he's healthy he's a top Linebacker in the Nfl and he's only 24 years old. I also know that our LB corp isn't a big need but I can picture Kwon in our system which he is made for. I also believe in today's NFL with having these mobile Qb's and tight ends it doesnt help to add another player who has elite speed and that can cover and tackle and the Colts would be able to have him or Leonard blitz on occasions. I also think with him coming off injury he won't break the bank. I can see a 2-3 year deal. Thoughts?

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No thanks! He has had a few injuries and I doubt Ballard looks to give him a lot of money since he has missed some time. Plus Ballard likes how we are set with Leonard and the WLB and Walker at MLB. Keon is not a SAM so I just don’t see why you spend the money and resources on him. If you replace Walker with a better player go with someone who stays on the field. 

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He'd fit our defense well, and he's significantly better than anyone we have besides Leonard. 

 

I'd be fine with him on a short term deal, but I wouldn't expect him to be a factor in 2019.

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2 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

No thanks! He has had a few injuries and I doubt Ballard looks to give him a lot of money since he has missed some time. Plus Ballard likes how we are set with Leonard and the WLB and Walker at MLB. Keon is not a SAM so I just don’t see why you spend the money and resources on him. If you replace Walker with a better player go with someone who stays on the field. 

 

Walker is okay but there's a big opportunity to upgrade. 

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I'm sorry but I like Anthony Walker.  I think we are fine there.

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15 minutes ago, Superman said:

He'd fit our defense well, and he's significantly better than anyone we have besides Leonard. 

 

I'd be fine with him on a short term deal, but I wouldn't expect him to be a factor in 2019.

I agree I'd take him or Hicks both are upgrades at MLB

 

Have to improve our coverage over the middle and our ability to cover TEs 

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If we ran a more traditional 4-3 with the SAM on the field more then he could prove to be a solid addition - with Walker sliding to the SAM.

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Depending on the money for sure, Walker was decent but can definitely be upgraded he struggles in coverage, and if Kwon can come back to how he was playing it would be a major upgrade.

 

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I suppose with the shake-up in Tampa it's possible we could get a player's deal on Alexander the Could be Great.  The injury risk vs. talent is a real Kwonumdrum.

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14 hours ago, wig said:

 

Walker is okay but there's a big opportunity to upgrade. 

Like I said if you upgrade get someone who stays on the field. Not a fan of spending on FA’s who are often injured. 

 

I believe Ballard likes the duo and won’t look much at this group. Just me though. 

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11 hours ago, ty4atd said:

Depending on the money for sure, Walker was decent but can definitely be upgraded he struggles in coverage, and if Kwon can come back to how he was playing it would be a major upgrade.

 

Walker doesn't struggle in coverage.  These are the things we say when we just want somebody replaced for no good reason other than we want change.

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1 hour ago, krunk said:

Walker doesn't struggle in coverage.  These are the things we say when we just want somebody replaced for no good reason other than we want change.

agreed...the LB's need to get better with recognition but i feel like the group as a whole got better as time went on if you look back at the season that what i walk away with. Now depth is something that needs to happen when AW or DL go out you'd like for there not to be a huge drop off. If the front 4 gets better all the other groups will as well. 

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1 hour ago, krunk said:

Walker doesn't struggle in coverage.  These are the things we say when we just want somebody replaced for no good reason other than we want change.

 

All of our linebackers struggle in coverage. Especially if there's any kind of misdirection on the play.

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7 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

All of our linebackers struggle in coverage. Especially if there's any kind of misdirection on the play.

 

Thank you!!! 

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26 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

All of our linebackers struggle in coverage. Especially if there's any kind of misdirection on the play.

So that means you replace them?  It's a discipline issue to be expected from 1st and 2nd year players.  It's not an athletic issue more than it is discipline.  It's not like you're trying to make a coverage linebacker out of Dqwell Jackson or something.  Moving Walker over to the Sam is basically like putting him on the bench because our SAM is barely on the field.  I think Walker is fine in coverage when he knows what is going on.  He does have some issues with playaction and movement in the backfield that are related to discipline.

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22 minutes ago, krunk said:

So that means you replace them?  It's a discipline issue to be expected from 1st and 2nd year players.  It's not an athletic issue more than it is discipline.  It's not like you're trying to make a coverage linebacker out of Dqwell Jackson or something.  Moving Walker over to the Sam is basically like putting him on the bench because our SAM is barely on the field.  I think Walker is fine in coverage when he knows what is going on.  He does have some issues with playaction and movement in the backfield that are related to discipline.

 

 No doubt experience will help Walker and Leonard play faster.
 But sorry, there IS a speed issue with both of them. It is a problem that needs addressed. Ballard will be looking hard to do that. He said you have to be able to Man Up sometimes to get stops. This is one of those positions he had to be talking about.

JMO of course.

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Just now, throwing BBZ said:

 

 No doubt experience will help Walker and Leonard play faster.
 But sorry, there IS a speed issue with both of them. It is a problem that needs addressed. Ballard will be looking hard to do that. He said you have to be able to Man Up sometimes to get stops. This is one of those positions he had to be talking about.

JMO of course.

I don't think there's a speed issue at all. Especially with Leonard for that matter.

Leonards got plenty of speed and Walker is slow either.  Both of them can turn and

run, but they do have issues with their reads sometimes amongst other things.

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2 minutes ago, krunk said:

So that means you replace them?  It's a discipline issue to be expected from 1st and 2nd year players.  It's not an athletic issue more than it is discipline.  It's not like you're trying to make a coverage linebacker out of Dqwell Jackson or something.  Moving Walker over to the Sam is basically like putting him on the bench because our SAM is barely on the field.

 

I have no problem replacing Walker, I think he's limited athletically and has a low ceiling. But I'm not rushing to push him off the team.

 

But that's how I feel across the board. I'm not interested in not adding better players -- and make no mistake, Alexander when healthy is significantly better than Walker will likely ever be. Raise the level of competition, and the roster gets better. Walker can fight for a spot in the lineup just like everyone else.

 

And let's say we did add Alexander, he's coming back from an ACL and he had surgery in November. He might not be ready to play until well into the season, and honestly, I wouldn't expect much from him until 2020. That gives the Colts plenty of time to continue to evaluate and work with Walker, who no one should expect to suddenly turn into a Pro Bowl caliber player. 

 

But really, my primary point of contention with your post is that I think Walker clearly struggles in coverage, and you're saying there's no good reason to say he struggles in coverage. We're coming from two completely different places, and that's fine, but I have a problem with the suggestion that anyone who says he struggles in coverage is being unreasonable.

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6 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

I have no problem replacing Walker, I think he's limited athletically and has a low ceiling. But I'm not rushing to push him off the team.

 

But that's how I feel across the board. I'm not interested in not adding better players -- and make no mistake, Alexander when healthy is significantly better than Walker will likely ever be. Raise the level of competition, and the roster gets better. Walker can fight for a spot in the lineup just like everyone else.

 

And let's say we did add Alexander, he's coming back from an ACL and he had surgery in November. He might not be ready to play until well into the season, and honestly, I wouldn't expect much from him until 2020. That gives the Colts plenty of time to continue to evaluate and work with Walker, who no one should expect to suddenly turn into a Pro Bowl caliber player. 

 

But really, my primary point of contention with your post is that I think Walker clearly struggles in coverage, and you're saying there's no good reason to say he struggles in coverage. We're coming from two completely different places, and that's fine, but I have a problem with the suggestion that anyone who says he struggles in coverage is being unreasonable.

I don't agree with your assessment of Walker at all.  You've been that way since he was drafted really and haven't changed much.  To you your way

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33 minutes ago, krunk said:

I don't agree with your assessment of Walker at all.  You've been that way since he was drafted really and haven't changed much.  To you your way

 

I don't know how it is that you're saying I have been about Walker. His college tape showed a good prospect who looked to be a little too big, then he showed up at camp even bigger, and looked slow and sluggish as a rookie. He came into camp in Year 2 lighter and looked faster, and he had a solid season. I have no beef with Walker, and never have.

 

What's your assessment of him? I said I don't think he'll be a Pro Bowl caliber LB, do you think he will? I said Kwon when healthy is better than him, do you disagree?

 

It's like if I don't think a guy is a superstar, I'm being unfair to him. I think these are reasonable evaluations.

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3 hours ago, Superman said:

 

I don't know how it is that you're saying I have been about Walker. His college tape showed a good prospect who looked to be a little too big, then he showed up at camp even bigger, and looked slow and sluggish as a rookie. He came into camp in Year 2 lighter and looked faster, and he had a solid season. I have no beef with Walker, and never have.

 

What's your assessment of him? I said I don't think he'll be a Pro Bowl caliber LB, do you think he will? I said Kwon when healthy is better than him, do you disagree?

 

It's like if I don't think a guy is a superstar, I'm being unfair to him. I think these are reasonable evaluations.

 

I definitely agree with your evaluation. That is why I always felt our LB corp is not as stout as people think it is, outside Leonard. Competition is a good thing. It does not mean we are giving up on Walker, just that if there are better options out there, we cannot hold ourselves back from exploring them. 

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2 hours ago, chad72 said:

 

I definitely agree with your evaluation. That is why I always felt our LB corp is not as stout as people think it is, outside Leonard. Competition is a good thing. It does not mean we are giving up on Walker, just that if there are better options out there, we cannot hold ourselves back from exploring them. 

 

Exactly, especially not in the name of 'we have a decent third year guy, we don't need anyone else!' 

 

Like I said, I'm not saying Walker should be kicked off the team, but if we can get better at his position, I'm all about it. And that applies to pretty much every position on the team. There are only about 10 spots in the core 25-30 (including specialists) where I think we're "set" and don't need any help. 

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9 hours ago, krunk said:

Walker doesn't struggle in coverage.  These are the things we say when we just want somebody replaced for no good reason other than we want change.

TE's and RBs ate us up all year in the passing game, Walker is decent but not anything special. We gave up the most catches and 5th most yards to RBs and the most catches and yards to TEs.

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2 hours ago, ty4atd said:

TE's and RBs ate us up all year in the passing game, Walker is decent but not anything special. We gave up the most catches and 5th most yards to RBs and the most catches and yards to TEs.

Walker is decent...... but he isnt a star, and will probably never sniff a pro bowl

 

If there was an Urlacher or even a Vander Esch MLB available, we would see a significant improvement in the defense 

 

This is a team that needs to keep improving.......  I think we have one star WSLB.... and an average MLB..

 

We DO have bigger needs though.... like Pass rush

 

 

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3 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

Walker is decent...... but he isnt a star, and will probably never sniff a pro bowl

 

If there was an Urlacher or even a Vander Esch MLB available, we would see a significant improvement in the defense 

 

This is a team that needs to keep improving.......  I think we have one star WSLB.... and an average MLB..

 

We DO have bigger needs though.... like Pass rush

 

 

Fans tend to lach onto average players alot around here the thought of an upgrade pains them. Hell just look at all the people willing to toss big bucks at Geathers instead of upgrading the position 

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Offer him a 1 year prove it deal. If not let him look elsewhere. I just can’t imagine Ballard giving a long term contract to a guy with injury history. 24 years old or not. 

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On 2/13/2019 at 8:48 PM, MikeCurtis said:

Walker is decent...... but he isnt a star, and will probably never sniff a pro bowl

 

If there was an Urlacher or even a Vander Esch MLB available, we would see a significant improvement in the defense 

 

This is a team that needs to keep improving.......  I think we have one star WSLB.... and an average MLB..

 

We DO have bigger needs though.... like Pass rush

 

 

Yeah that's why in the draft I really want a 3 tech who can get some push up the middle, but Kwon is still young and wouldn't cost us a pick a 1-2 year deal with a option or something like that would be great. Kwon and Leonard would give us the best or one of the best LB pairings in the league and we still get to keep Walker. As long as the money is stupid or we cant get out of the contract if he gets hurt again then there's no reason not to at least try and get Kwon.

 

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