CR91

Darius Leonard vs Dwight Freeney

Recommended Posts

Who had the better rookie season? Probably don't need to remind you guys, but Freeney had 13 sacks 9 force fumbles and 20 tackles for losses in his rookie year.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, CR91 said:

Who had the better rookie season? Probably don't need to remind you guys, but Freeney had 13 sacks 9 force fumbles and 20 tackles for losses in his rookie year.

Just think of what Freeney could have done if Dungy did not wait until week 9 to move him into the starter position.

 

To your question it's hard to say because of the different positions.  Both were awesome in their rookie seasons though.

  • Like 3
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Two completely different type players & positions.

Freeney's job was to get to the QB, and he was one of the Best of All Time doing so.

 

On my short list as one of my  All Time favorite Colts.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Apples / Oranges and not really a fair comparison. 

 

Two different positions. Freeney will have more sacks, and Leonard will have more tackles.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Just think of what Freeney could have done if Dungy did not wait until week 9 to move him into the starter position.

 

To your question it's hard to say because of the different positions.  Both were awesome in their rookie seasons though.

 

16 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

Two completely different type players & positions.

Freeney's job was to get to the QB, and he was one of the Best of All Time doing so.

 

On my short list as one of my  All Time favorite Colts.

 

14 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

Apples / Oranges and not really a fair comparison. 

 

Two different positions. Freeney will have more sacks, and Leonard will have more tackles.  

 

Ok. How about who had a bigger impact on the defense

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

 

 

Ok. How about who had a bigger impact on the defense

Who had the bigger impact on the D?  

 

Both of them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

 

 

Ok. How about who had a bigger impact on the defense

Freeny is my all time favorite colt's defensive player. That said, if we're only talking about his rookie year, compared to Leonard's rookie year, avoiding the stats and talking about performance of the D overall, I'd give it to Leonard by a hair.  When Leonard was out versus when he played, there was a large noticeable drop off in the middle.  But it is a close call.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
37 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

 

 

Ok. How about who had a bigger impact on the defense

 

I don't really remember too much of Freeneys rookie season. But IMO, probably the one who put pressure on the QB more often. Because of his position that would be Freeney.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The title of the thread reminds me of a boxing match, ha ha.  So, I'd give the edge to Leonard because he has longer arms :applause:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There were also a lot more pocket passers during Freeney's days. I'm not convinced he'd have as much success today, especially because he had Robert Mathis lined up on the other side.

What Darius Leonard is doing, however, is just ridiculous. I know it's a team sport, but at times, Darius looks like a one-man-wrecking crew. Even in that Kansas City game, he gave us a chance to get back into it with that force fumble; good players making big plays at critical moments.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Who had the bigger impact on the D?  

 

Both of them.

Wait...what? Just appreciate them both? What a radical concept. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

 

 

Ok. How about who had a bigger impact on the defense

I wasn't aware it is a competition?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, csmopar said:

Freeny is my all time favorite colt's defensive player. That said, if we're only talking about his rookie year, compared to Leonard's rookie year, avoiding the stats and talking about performance of the D overall, I'd give it to Leonard by a hair.  When Leonard was out versus when he played, there was a large noticeable drop off in the middle.  But it is a close call.

 

Favorite player of all time... Spells his name wrong.

  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

Apples / Oranges and not really a fair comparison. 

 

Two different positions. Freeney will have more sacks, and Leonard will have more tackles.  

But they are the best Apples and Oranges to have :lol:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

I wasn't aware it is a competition?

 

Just a friendly conversation

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, ColtsLegacy said:

 

Favorite player of all time... Spells his name wrong.

 

You caught it!   A promotion is in order-

 

i68.tinypic.com_6eja4g.jpg

 

{wink wink}

  • Like 2
  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, ReMeDy said:

There were also a lot more pocket passers during Freeney's days. I'm not convinced he'd have as much success today, especially because he had Robert Mathis lined up on the other side.

What Darius Leonard is doing, however, is just ridiculous. I know it's a team sport, but at times, Darius looks like a one-man-wrecking crew. Even in that Kansas City game, he gave us a chance to get back into it with that force fumble; good players making big plays at critical moments.

They also passed less than they do now in his rookie season so he'd have even more chances to rush. I'd say Freeney's was better by a hair but they were both studs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, DerekDiggler said:

 

You spelled comparison wrong  DS 

The question was who had a better rookie season. That is asking who was better.

They didn't play the same position so it was not a comparison.

Sorry, I didn't spell anything wrong.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, ColtsLegacy said:

 

Favorite player of all time... Spells his name wrong.

I’ll remember that the next time you make a typo.

  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Just think of what Freeney could have done if Dungy did not wait until week 9 to move him into the starter position.

 

To your question it's hard to say because of the different positions.  Both were awesome in their rookie seasons though.

You can't compare them by position, but both were and are delightful to watch. Amazing talents!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm going to get a lot of blow back for this, but Leonard is still learning.  I love Darius, but playing at 218 and trying to tackle high all the time leads to him getting bowled over.  He doesn't lose the tackle per-say, but he does get taken for a ride an extra 2-4 yards when he does.  Playing at that weight allows him to move faster he says, but he weighed in at 225-230 at pro day.  That to me is  a minimum at his position.  He does have good play recognition, and uses his hands well to shed blocks, but when you are consistently out-weighed by the person you're trying to tackle, and you tackle high, you get taken for a ride quite often.

Freeney also had his woes early in his career.  When ever a team wanted to run the ball, they learned to delay hand-off, and wait for Freeney to use his speed or spin to take himself out of position and run in his vacant area.  He improved in that area as his career progressed, but it was still a flaw that other teams took advantage of.

That being said, Leonard had the more impressive rookie season when comparing when each player did for their respected positions.  Freeney's job was to get to the QB, which he did fantastically.  But he was a liability in the run game that year. Leonard did more than he was supposed to be able to do for his position.  You don't ask ANY linebacker to cover Hopkins and other receivers 1-1, Yet he did it, and quite successfully.  Also, it is not normally the WIL's position that get's called to blitz often, yet Leonard did it really well.  As a matter of fact, he was a top 5 linebacker in the NFL, in pressure %.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 hours ago, CR91 said:

Who had the better rookie season? Probably don't need to remind you guys, but Freeney had 13 sacks 9 force fumbles and 20 tackles for losses in his rookie year.

Leonard.

He led the league in tackles.  

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As good as Leanord was he needs a lot of improvement. Like others said he may be quick to the tackle but he got dozed and pushed back more times than not. Or just completely taken out by blocker. Speed and recognition. But nobody is mistaking him for Lewis, Willis or urlacher. He improves in that area and he will be amongst them. 

 

With that said Freeney WAS the man. People se to forget all those timely strip sacks or sacks in general to give our offense the ball again. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Freeney.  Rookie season only, I still remember thinking I don't think I've seen this type of pass rusher before, especially since so many were down on his size.  I remember hoping the opponents would pass!  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

It seems too many want to compare or argue over things that makes no difference.

Who really cares who was better? 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

 

It seems too many want to compare or argue over things that makes no difference.

Who really cares who was better? 

 

You bring up a topic of discussion then

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

You bring up a topic of discussion then

If and when I do I will try to make it worth some discussion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

If and when I do I will try to make it worth some discussion.

 

Look forward to it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • What you are describing is a loss of faith, not blind faith. Being positive does bring faith. Till it becomes negative then the faith dwindles till it's gone. For me I don't give a lot of attention to who is drafted till they are drafted. I don't have the resources and a whole scouting team (and coaches) to help me make the choice. The largest part of what most see is what the media shows. That means schools that draw the most attention. Good GMs pay little attention to what the media has to say. (or what the fans think to be honest).
    • I actually thought this thread would be about having the 32nd pick in the first round of the NFL draft. That would ensure that the player would have a 5th year option for us as opposed to the 34th pick or later picks, where we only have 4 year contracts.
    • This is a terrific question and a fascinating thread.  I don't have a full understanding of how compensatory picks work, but draft capital seems to be king now (especially in light of the rookie salary cap vs. out-of-control free agent contracts).  We didn't need the NFL to tell us the Colts had the best draft class of 2018.  I have reason to believe more good decisions will be made in FA and draft 2019, so this is indeed an exciting time.     Based on Ballard's 2 grand slams and other fine picks last year, you bet I'd buy a 3rd rounder with a viable backup QB.  You can't make Keenum's arm stronger and I don't know if even Luck can make Bortles more serious about football, but just having one of them aboard means you could warm up to Brissett offers and jockey for position in April.     I guess you'd have to take a look at your big board vs. team needs, run the numbers, and start wheeling and dealing accordingly.  This "game within the game" stuff is truly fascinating and probably one of the reasons I enjoy Fantasy Football so much.  Thanks for your post Superman.  Good stuff!
    • Maybe Jachai Polite will fall or even Devin White. There's some decent options at the #13 spot. Not sure if Montez Sweat is worth the #13 pick, but he might be with the combine and pro day coming up.
    • He brought in so many talent potential lads into the Shoe last year. These no-name guys are quickly becoming recognizable faces.    Gotta say that last years draft was amped with talent for many levels and positions. Some potentially playoff caliber quarterbacks too.   This year’s draft will be interesting as it could pose a challenge for most teams outside of the top 10. 
  • Members