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He have resources to trade up to take one of the elite Dline talents of this draft. We’ve got two 2nds and what should be two 4ths (also brissett if needed). This team needs another elite player on D exspecially the Dline. If Ballard falls in love with one of those prospects don’t be surprised if we find a way to jump inside picks 12-15. I’m expecting as always two-three QBs go top ten and probably one online and possibly a wr. That would push some seriously great Dline talent down the board a bit allowing us to possible make a deal. 

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Who is someone who could realistically fall to that range that you’d wanna trade up to get? 

 

Id personally rather have more picks since Ballard seems to be able to find talent in each round of the draft. And I do believe he’d find a quality starter with pro bowl potential at 26, and 34. 

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1 hour ago, BProland85 said:

Who is someone who could realistically fall to that range that you’d wanna trade up to get? 

 

Id personally rather have more picks since Ballard seems to be able to find talent in each round of the draft. And I do believe he’d find a quality starter with pro bowl potential at 26, and 34. 

 

 There are plenty of moch drafts already to help you identify several possible players. It is all guess work trying to pick the guy Ballard may want that bad.
 Post combine is a time for an answer with a little bit of reality.

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2 hours ago, BProland85 said:

Who is someone who could realistically fall to that range that you’d wanna trade up to get? 

 

Id personally rather have more picks since Ballard seems to be able to find talent in each round of the draft. And I do believe he’d find a quality starter with pro bowl potential at 26, and 34. 

Ed oliver

jachai polite

Dexter lawerence 

 

Just to name a few. After combine and interviews some other guys will move up. IMO Ballard shouldn’t be scaried to move up if he sees a blue chip player that won’t last until pick 26. 

 

I agree I wouldn’t use our jets pick as leverage but maybe our other 2nd rounder and extra 4th and who knows the value of brissett. Maybe some teams will take a chance because this looks like a weak Qb class. 

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Anything is possible, but I really don’t see Ballard trading for a higher pick.  Just as I don’t see him going for Brown or Bell even though we could easily afford them.  

 

I just hope this years draft is as remotely as successful as last years.

 

Instead of ranking draft prospects by position, I like to rank our current team (including IR and PS) by position.  It gives me a better idea of how many new players are possibly going to make the team.  

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15 hours ago, Smonroe said:

Instead of ranking draft prospects by position, I like to rank our current team (including IR and PS) by position.  It gives me a better idea of how many new players are possibly going to make the team.  

 

Maybe an easier way is to list the players that are locks for next season's roster. I think maybe we get to 25, at best, including specialists (and assuming AV is back). The other 30-40 roster spots are open, at least to a reasonable degree.

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19 hours ago, Smonroe said:

Anything is possible, but I really don’t see Ballard trading for a higher pick.  Just as I don’t see him going for Brown or Bell even though we could easily afford them.  

 

I just hope this years draft is as remotely as successful as last years.

 

Instead of ranking draft prospects by position, I like to rank our current team (including IR and PS) by position.  It gives me a better idea of how many new players are possibly going to make the team.  

 

 I have looked at top 100, 50, mocks. If we stay where we are, there are really good players through our 3rd rd pick. And i will bet on CB to land solid prospects through 5+.

 Any movement will be based on solid conviction. 

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21 hours ago, boo2202 said:

Ed oliver

jachai polite

Dexter lawerence 

 

Just to name a few. After combine and interviews some other guys will move up. IMO Ballard shouldn’t be scaried to move up if he sees a blue chip player that won’t last until pick 26. 

 

I agree I wouldn’t use our jets pick as leverage but maybe our other 2nd rounder and extra 4th and who knows the value of brissett. Maybe some teams will take a chance because this looks like a weak Qb class. 

 

 A scenario.
 NE Brian Flores becomes Dolphins HC. Brissett is well thought of in NE.?

 Dolphins dump Tannehill. They need a trans QB. A cheap one that doesn't make the product look like total s***.
  Brissett might prove worth a decent comp pick following the season. Heck JB might kill it.
 So their 13th for our 26th and JB. Maybe they want a 4th too or yada yada.
  Jacobi plays against NE haha. Maybe Bill/Joshy wants him when TB retires.

 CB will be prepared.

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53 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 A scenario.
 NE Brian Flores becomes Dolphins HC. Brissett is well thought of in NE.?

 Dolphins dump Tannehill. They need a trans QB. A cheap one that doesn't make the product look like total s***.
  Brissett might prove worth a decent comp pick following the season. Heck JB might kill it.
 So their 13th for our 26th and JB. Maybe they want a 4th too or yada yada.
  Jacobi plays against NE haha. Maybe Bill/Joshy wants him when TB retires.

 CB will be prepared.

Reports are Miami is planning on tanking for Tua (or Herbert). Jacoby might be too good for their plans, haha

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2 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 A scenario.
 NE Brian Flores becomes Dolphins HC. Brissett is well thought of in NE.?

 Dolphins dump Tannehill. They need a trans QB. A cheap one that doesn't make the product look like total s***.
  Brissett might prove worth a decent comp pick following the season. Heck JB might kill it.
 So their 13th for our 26th and JB. Maybe they want a 4th too or yada yada.
  Jacobi plays against NE haha. Maybe Bill/Joshy wants him when TB retires.

 CB will be prepared.

 

I don't think Ballard will trade Jacoby, did you hear his press conference?

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IMO Brissett will be on our roster till his contract ends.

He is worth more to us other than a 1st round pick and I don't see that happening.

I think most Colts fans over value him.

 Most teams looking for a QB really want to draft one and not give up their picks.

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59 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

IMO Brissett will be on our roster till his contract ends.

He is worth more to us other than a 1st round pick and I don't see that happening.

I think most Colts fans over value him.

 Most teams looking for a QB really want to draft one and not give up their picks.

Except you are giving up pick(s) to draft a QB and that QB is completely unproven. At least with Brissett you have a sample size where he has succeeded at the QB position to an extent. Colts fans may overvalue him, but Brissett will probably be better than all but 2 or 3 QBs in this entire upcoming draft, and it's not as simple as saying a 1st round QB will automatically hit. I would happily trade Brissett for a 2nd in our situation, and I'm sure a few NFL teams would in theirs as well. The odds of 1 year of Brissett backing up Luck making a difference for a SB win next year is very small, getting a 2nd or even a 3rd round pick that makes a significant difference with Ballard as the GM is much greater. 

 

This is my view on things though as an analytical guy. Take it how you will.

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14 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Except you are giving up pick(s) to draft a QB and that QB is completely unproven. At least with Brissett you have a sample size where he has succeeded at the QB position to an extent. Colts fans may overvalue him, but Brissett will probably be better than all but 2 or 3 QBs in this entire upcoming draft, and it's not as simple as saying a 1st round QB will automatically hit. I would happily trade Brissett for a 2nd in our situation, and I'm sure a few NFL teams would in theirs as well. The odds of 1 year of Brissett backing up Luck making a difference for a SB win next year is very small, getting a 2nd or even a 3rd round pick that makes a significant difference with Ballard as the GM is much greater. 

 

This is my view on things though as an analytical guy. Take it how you will.

So how much worth is Brissett if Lucks misses any games next season? If that happens a 2nd round pick don't bring you any wins.

We have learned first hand at what happens when not having a competent back up QB on the roster means.

It means we wont have to worry about a #1 draft pick, we will have an early one anyway.

 

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1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

So how much worth is Brissett if Lucks misses any games next season? If that happens a 2nd round pick don't bring you any wins.

We have learned first hand at what happens when not having a competent back up QB on the roster means.

It means we wont have to worry about a #1 draft pick, we will have an early one anyway.

 

I actually thought about what you said. First off, I don't think Brissett wins us the SB. Even Luck can't get us there yet. Having said that, Brissett is very valuable if Luck misses games. However, a solid veteran like a Teddy Bridgewater or Joe Flacco is a minor dropoff if we let Brissett go and signed one of them. Now lets say we trade Brissett for a 2nd hypothetically. That'd obviously be worth a 2nd round that could be close to a 1st (QB needy team). If Brissett becomes a FA next year and gets signed to a deal, we get a compensatory pick. Not only would this pick be a year later than the 2nd we hypothetically receive, but it's going to be in the rounds 3-5 range.

 

I saw the projections for the Moncrief pick when it projected we'd receive a 4th round pick for him. From what I remember, Moncrief was the highest 4th round pick handed out at $9.6 million a year. The next pick was a 3rd at over $10 million. So I'm assuming any 3rd round compensatory pick is $10 million or above, the next level of 4th rounders is between $7.5-$10 million a year, and it goes below that. It's all up to what Brissett would sign for a year IMO, and anything worse than a 3rd wouldn't be worth waiting an additional two years (the next season and the season after the compensation is given out) for a year of insurance for Luck when we could sign a solid veteran with our current cap space. 

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2 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I actually thought about what you said. First off, I don't think Brissett wins us the SB. Even Luck can't get us there yet. Having said that, Brissett is very valuable if Luck misses games. However, a solid veteran like a Teddy Bridgewater or Joe Flacco is a minor dropoff if we let Brissett go and signed one of them. Now lets say we trade Brissett for a 2nd hypothetically. That'd obviously be worth a 2nd round that could be close to a 1st (QB needy team). If Brissett becomes a FA next year and gets signed to a deal, we get a compensatory pick. Not only would this pick be a year later than the 2nd we hypothetically receive, but it's going to be in the rounds 3-5 range.

 

I saw the projections for the Moncrief pick when it projected we'd receive a 4th round pick for him. From what I remember, Moncrief was the highest 4th round pick handed out at $9.6 million a year. The next pick was a 3rd at over $10 million. So I'm assuming any 3rd round compensatory pick is $10 million or above, the next level of 4th rounders is between $7.5-$10 million a year, and it goes below that. It's all up to what Brissett would sign for a year IMO, and anything worse than a 3rd wouldn't be worth waiting an additional two years (the next season and the season after the compensation is given out) for a year of insurance for Luck when we could sign a solid veteran with our current cap space. 

First of all I cant agree that Bridgewater or Flacco are solid vets. If so, they would be starters and will soon be throw aways from their teams.

I just think keeping Brisset on our roster is more valuable in case he is needed rather than some castaway QB.

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3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

First of all I cant agree that Bridgewater or Flacco are solid vets. If so, they would be starters and will soon be throw aways from their teams.

I just think keeping Brisset on our roster is more valuable in case he is needed rather than some castaway QB.

Bridgewater had a gruesome leg injury that kept him out for two years, and the Vikings signed Kirk Cousins, so he was a special case. He started out very promising. Flacco has declined, but the Ravens took a luxury pick in Lamar Jackson in the trade up last year in the end of the 1st round. He was really hot the 2nd half of the season and kept the job. I think they are close enough to Brissett in the case of an emergency to hold the fort down. JMO though. I'd rather have a 2nd and Bridgewater or Flacco then a 4th and Brissett for one more year.

 

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I still hope we end up trading him this offseason as I trust Ballard can use a top draft pick wisely.

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3 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Bridgewater had a gruesome leg injury that kept him out for two years, and the Vikings signed Kirk Cousins, so he was a special case. He started out very promising. Flacco has declined, but the Ravens took a luxury pick in Lamar Jackson in the trade up last year in the end of the 1st round. He was really hot the 2nd half of the season and kept the job. I think they are close enough to Brissett in the case of an emergency to hold the fort down. JMO though. I'd rather have a 2nd and Bridgewater or Flacco then a 4th and Brissett for one more year.

 

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I still hope we end up trading him this offseason as I trust Ballard can use a top draft pick wisely.

Bridgewater, maybe but Flacco?  I guess you haven't been paying too much attention to at how he has played over the last few years.

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3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Bridgewater, maybe but Flacco?  I guess you haven't been paying too much attention to at how he has played over the last few years.

I absolutely have, he's a game manager now. Brissett isn't too much more though. They can both win you a game or two while Luck is potentially out. Neither can win a SB though. I just can't justify keeping Brissett for another year if you get an offer of a 2nd rounder or more. You can buy Bridgewater or Flacco with cap and be almost the same. In fact, you'll be forced to buy a QB in a year anyway when Brissett leaves in FA unless you want to spend a draft pick on one. I just don't see the benefit. 

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7 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I absolutely have, he's a game manager now. Brissett isn't too much more though. They can both win you a game or two while Luck is potentially out. Neither can win a SB though. I just can't justify keeping Brissett for another year if you get an offer of a 2nd rounder or more. You can buy Bridgewater or Flacco with cap and be almost the same. In fact, you'll be forced to buy a QB in a year anyway when Brissett leaves in FA unless you want to spend a draft pick on one. I just don't see the benefit. 

The only thing Flacco can manage is losing games. As far as winning a SB with Brissett there is one thing you forgot. Frank is his head coach now and we have a very good O-line. Had we had those two things when he was a starter we would have won a lot more games.

Like I said, other than a #1 he needs to be on our roster.

If Ballard does trade him he said it would be to a team that benefited Brissett along with the Colts.

I can see the Colts resigning him if he don't have an opportunity to be a starter on another team.

 

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4 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

 

I can see the Colts resigning him if he don't have an opportunity to be a starter on another team.

 

i doubt any team is going to promise him a starting job if he hits free agency, but there are a few places where he could compete for it or be used to push their starter.  he has to know he will never beat out a healthy andrew luck

 

i would be interested in him if i were the bucs.  JB is very similar to JW in measurables, playing style and age, but without any off the field concerns 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

i doubt any team is going to promise him a starting job if he hits free agency, but there are a few places where he could compete for it or be used to push their starter.  he has to know he will never beat out a healthy andrew luck

 

i would be interested in him if i were the bucs.  JB is very similar to JW in measurables, playing style and age, but without any off the field concerns 

 

 

Re read my comment. I said an opportunity.

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2 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Re read my comment. I said an opportunity.

that was a bit vague, opportunity could pop up at anytime and some team might want to make a move before they need him.  it will be interesting if a team with a lesser qb than luck wants to bring him in as a back up.  does he leave to a place where he has a greater chance to play, but still no guarantee, or does he stay with whats familiar?

 

it could come down to money too, i wonder how they value him here

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3 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

that was a bit vague, opportunity could pop up at anytime and some team might want to make a move before they need him.  it will be interesting if a team with a lesser qb than luck wants to bring him in as a back up.  does he leave to a place where he has a greater chance to play, but still no guarantee, or does he stay with whats familiar?

 

it could come down to money too, i wonder how they value him here

All true points.

Personally I hope we can keep him but if he has an opportunity, I couldn't fault him for that.

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Ballard and trading up is like saying Ballard will give Bell the $ he wants: IMO not chance.

But, what I can see is flipping of assets.

 

So, take for example Jags (WARNING: THIS IS EXAMPLE ONLY. NO WAY BALLARD TRADES VALUE IN DIVISION). We have ample cap space. We have a backup QB who's probably above average in the league. Jags have a hole as wide as the one the Chiefs left on the Colts with their QB situation.

We go a-la Browns: We give them Brisket and say the 4th round compensitory pick. We get Bortles, as we can eat the contract and realease him, get their 4th rounder and their 2nd round pick.This would give us the #26 overall, #3 in the 2nd round, #7 in the 2nd round, #26 in R2, and move up in the 4th round as well.

Again: EXAMPLE ONLY.

Not sure if theres a lot of teams out there QB hungry and cap needy, Jags are just the most obvious answer. If we were an NFC team dealing with the Jags, Id throw this at them but would NeVeR do that in division

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On 1/14/2019 at 5:34 PM, boo2202 said:

He have resources to trade up to take one of the elite Dline talents of this draft.

 

We'd have to give up quite a bit in draft-capital to move up.  Typically you only give up that kind of draft-capital to get your franchise QB, not a DLineman that the scheme dictates will probably rotate with "waves" of other DLinemen.

 

I'd rather have more draft picks and more players.  You don't want to put all yours eggs in one basket and then the basket gets injured and you don't have enough egg-depth.

 

"You're never one player away." - Chris Ballard

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1 hour ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

We'd have to give up quite a bit in draft-capital to move up.  Typically you only give up that kind of draft-capital to get your franchise QB, not a DLineman that the scheme dictates will probably rotate with "waves" of other DLinemen.

 

I'd rather have more draft picks and more players.  You don't want to put all yours eggs in one basket and then the basket gets injured and you don't have enough egg-depth.

 

"You're never one player away." - Chris Ballard

I agree. But we do need an elite pass rusher in the worst way. I’m with you, I wouldn’t sell the farm to move up but if price/player is right I wouldn’t be scared to move either. Would be nice if flowers or lawerence hit the market. 

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With the cap money we have I just hope an impact player becomes available in free agency.

It would be nice to get a position of need but those players very rarely hit the market. Ballard may have to find that diamond in the rough.

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1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

With the cap money we have I just hope an impact player becomes available in free agency.

It would be nice to get a position of need but those players very rarely hit the market. Ballard may have to find that diamond in the rough.

Just read where DT Gerald McCoy of the Bucs could get released for cap reasons.  They would save 13m.  His production is still very good and he would be turning 31 next month.  He's younger than Woods and Hunt.  

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