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Josh Gordon - leaving the Pats

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On 12/20/2018 at 1:37 PM, Luck 4 president said:

The patriots gave up almost nothing to get him, but now they’ve lost their top receiving target. He was always a high risk/medium reward trade. 

 

Fixed it for ya...

 

On 12/20/2018 at 1:32 PM, shastamasta said:

I can respect that decision. I am sure fighting his issues (sounds alot like some type of anxiety disorder) in such a public setting was too much to bear.  

 

 

It was/is. 

 

On 12/20/2018 at 3:26 PM, Cynjin said:

 

It's happened, indefinite suspension has been announced. 

 

Not surprising.  It might be his last (and permanent) banishment.  Poor guy's NFL career is over.

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3 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Fixed it for ya...

 

His situation was risky, but what they gave up was low risk. That’s why I said medium risk. And he was still an elite talent which is why I said high reward. I’d even argue they got more production out of him than they would have drafting a 5th round receiver. 

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39 minutes ago, Luck 4 president said:

His situation was risky, but what they gave up was low risk. That’s why I said medium risk. And he was still an elite talent which is why I said high reward. I’d even argue they got more production out of him than they would have drafting a 5th round receiver. 

 

Possibly, but the 5th rounder would still be on the team now, and into the future. Gordon is gone. At crunch time.  Pats get no compensation either.

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On ‎12‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 3:18 AM, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Possibly, but the 5th rounder would still be on the team now, and into the future. Gordon is gone. At crunch time.  Pats get no compensation either.

 

That's impossible since the trade was 2019 5th rounder for Gordon.

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On 12/21/2018 at 7:21 PM, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Poor guy's NFL career is over.

He should have plenty of money stashed away.   Perhaps with his stash.

 

One day he will look back and realize that he gave up 30+ million $$ so he could smoke pot.  

Not a smart man.  In fact, he is a very stupid man.

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13 hours ago, Myles said:

He should have plenty of money stashed away.   Perhaps with his stash.

 

One day he will look back and realize that he gave up 30+ million $$ so he could smoke pot.  

Not a smart man.  In fact, he is a very stupid man.

Sorry....

 

But being smart or stupid has nothing to do with addiction.    Literally, absolutely nothing.

 

Doesnt mattet if it’s alcohol, drugs or tobacco...  plenty of smart people have gotten hooked and plenty of stupid people have never touched the stuff. 

 

It’s a very complex issue...   if it were that easy, then curing people would be easy.   And yet it’s incredibly difficult.

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13 hours ago, Myles said:

He should have plenty of money stashed away.   Perhaps with his stash.

 

One day he will look back and realize that he gave up 30+ million $$ so he could smoke pot.  

Not a smart man.  In fact, he is a very stupid man.

 

Gordon likely has very little money.   He wasn’t a first round draft pick, and after all these years he’s never had a big payday.   He kept getting suspended.   

 

His financial future is not promising right now.

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19 hours ago, Finball said:

 

That's impossible since the trade was 2019 5th rounder for Gordon.

Ok let's change 1 word then, drop a couple-
 

"Possibly, but the 5th rounder WILL still be on the team into the future (hopefully). Gordon is gone. At crunch time.  Pats get no compensation either."

 

 

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I always feel for guys like this. It's a double edge sword playing sports, the dangle of the big paycheck keeps them clean, but the access to everything and the money causes them to fall. I have no idea what demons are in him to cause him to fail so many times, but with the NFL and possible wealth in his past there's noting left for him but self destruction. I feel for him, this isn't a case where he thought he was untitled, he really does have problems.. 

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I don't have any pity for him at all.   He had the best treatments and help given to and available for him.   He chose to throw it all away.   I understand addiction can be tough, but we all have to do what we have to do.   I'm a recovering alcoholic myself.   Haven't had a drop in 2 years.   It's not easy, but I don't have even have the millions of reasons to do it that Gordon has.   I used to smoke pot, but gave it up many years ago for my job.  

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On 12/21/2018 at 8:18 PM, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Possibly, but the 5th rounder would still be on the team now, and into the future. Gordon is gone. At crunch time.  Pats get no compensation either.

5th round picks often dont make the roster or ever contribute much of anything

 

it was a risk for sure, but not a very big one 

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11 hours ago, aaron11 said:

5th round picks often dont make the roster or ever contribute much of anything

 

it was a risk for sure, but not a very big one 

 

many become a JAG, or even  fall out of the league.  But the trick to team success is finding a gem in later rounds. Not all 5th (or later) picks are wastes.  Here's a few that were more than a JAG and worth it-

 

Jay Ajayi, RB (No. 149 overall, 2015)

Tyreek Hill, WR/KR (No. 165 overall, 2016)

Jordan Howard, RB (No. 150 overall, 2016)

Reshad Jones, S (No. 163 overall, 2010)

Josh Norman, CB (No. 143 overall, )

Brent Celek, TE (No. 162 overall, 2007)

Kyle Williams, DT (No. 134 overall, 2006)

Robert Mathis, DE/OLB (No. 138 overall, 2003)

Trent Cole, Edge (No. 146 overall, 2005)

Kam Chancellor, S (No. 133 overall, 2010)

Richard Sherman, CB (No. 154 overall, 2011)

Zach Thomas -  (5th Round,  1996)

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Antonio Brown - (6th Round, 2010)

Adalius ThomaS, LB  Adalius Thomas (No. 186 overall, Round 6, 2000)

T. J. Houshmandzadeh  WR  (pick No. 204, Round 7, 2001)

Yeremiah Bell - S  (pick No. 213, Round 6, 2003)

Stevie Johnson - WR (pick No. 224, Round 7, 2008)

Marques Colston  - WR  (pick No. 252, Round 7, 2006)

Terrell Davis - RB  (pick No. 196, Round 6, 1995)

Matt Birk, C  (pick No. 173rd overall round 6, 1998)

Tom Brady - QB (pick No. 199, Round 6, 2000)

 

Taking Gordon for a short stint removes one possibility of getting a guy like the above.

 

I'll bet BB would rather have the pick back now.

 

 

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11 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

I'll bet BB would rather have the pick back now.

 

 

of course he would, thats why it was a risk.  he is one of the most aggressive GMs in the league when it comes to trades, i doubt he is losing much sleep over this pick though

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Considering where most of Belichick's 5th round picks end up, this was a worthwhile gamble on New England's part. 


Football aside, I just hope the guy gets well. 

 

 

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