4th Down Agression/loss on Reich (merge)

[ricker182]

8 minutes ago, King Colt said:

"This loss" is on the Colts inability to do anything in the air and the inability to keep pressure off Luck. The Jags were ready and the Colts could not score any points don't blame the coach. Zero points. Zero.

Zero points brought to you by Frank Reich.  

  

He's the reason we had zero.  

I think it's fair to blame him for this loss.  

  

It happens, but he has to learn from this. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, jameszeigler834 said:

His playcalling was awful all day long shuffle pass behind the LOS on 4th and goal that rarely works also end around on 4th and 1 to Ebron stupid trick plays almost never work.

If we ran the same play with bell or Hunt that would've been a TD. Maybe the talent isn't here yet and Reich is just testing things out in his 1st season. If you really think about it we really weren't supposed to do crap this season anyway so I don't mind the gambles at times. Very disappointing loss today and Luck getting shut out is a bit shocking but nobody had us doing crap this season. We won 5 in a row and gave everyone hope so that is why people are sick right now, I get it. We could easily be 9-3 in reality but we are 6-6 so that is a bummer. Still to me, it's been a fun season and we look great at times. I have patience.

[King Colt]

1 minute ago, ricker182 said:

Zero points brought to you by Frank Reich.  

  

He's the reason we had zero.  

I think it's fair to blame him for this loss.  

  

It happens, but he has to learn from this. 

Well, I never saw him on the field of play. Granted, there was some questionable calls but the Colts players are not blaming the coach for their play today.

[Dark Superman]

I hated the call knowing we were on the road against a really good defense. You take the points every single time unless it's late in the 4th quarter and you're trailing by more than 3.

[2006Coltsbestever]

9 minutes ago, Trueman said:

3 FG's wins that game , and we passed on 2 , and therefore had to go for TD's late in the game. 

It's inexcusable , but we move on. I'm still a huge fan of Reich.

That's awesome hindsight. I am sure like everyone in here, Reich thought with Luck we would eventually get at least 1 TD. It didn't happen so it's on to Houston. 

[Trueman]

2 minutes ago, Savage56 said:

I hated the call knowing we were on the road against a really good defense. You take the points every single time unless it's late in the 4th quarter and you're trailing by more than 3.

Especially when the opposing offense isn't good , and Cody Kessler is their QB. 

Everyone knew we didn't need a lot of points to win today , yet we passed them up. 

 

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

That's awesome hindsight. I am sure like everyone in here, Reich thought with Luck we would eventually get at least 1 TD. It didn't happen so it's on to Houston. 

It's not hindsight , man. I said it when it happened. 

 

[ricker182]

2 minutes ago, Trueman said:

Especially when the opposing offense isn't good , and Cody Kessler is their QB. 

Everyone knew we didn't need a lot of points to win today , yet we passed them up. 

 

It's not hindsight , man. I said it when it happened. 

 

I said it when it happened too.  

  

But whatever.  

  

Nothing I can do about it. I just hope he realizes he was wrong. 

[Trueman]

1 minute ago, ricker182 said:

I said it when it happened too.  

  

But whatever.  

  

Nothing I can do about it. I just hope he realizes he was wrong. 

Yeah, I don't care either. It's just football , I just don't appreciate being called captain hindsight , when it's clearly a decision I disagreed with at the time , and it's a decision many , many coaches would not have made. 

Either way, this is beating a dead horse at this point. I've already stated I like Reich , but he screwed up. 

Process over result , and in this case , the process and the result were flawed. 

[Btown_Colt]

33 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

What is funny is, if we get the 4th and Goal play and score a TD everyone on here would say he is a cool slick gambling man and should be COTY.  

What’s funny is, you act like the only option was to go for it and then act like everyone who disagreed with it is using hindsight. 

 

What your saying is that he can’t be criticized for the call, because the potential reward was greater than kicking the FG. But with higher rewards come higher risks, and it came to fruition in this game. What we are saying is that it was not the time to make that call, and it was obvious from the flow of the game, to anyone that was paying attention. 

 

I mean you can invest in retirement, or go to the casino and gamble all your money at once. One is safe and responsible, the other is risky and wreckless When your young, you should invest. When your older and don’t have time to wait on investments to pay off, that’s when you should go all-in. 

 

 

[SLILLINGTON10]

56 minutes ago, ricker182 said:

I think the team just isn't that good and the Jacksonville defense played lights out. 

I think team is above average. Offense is good (not great), defense is coming together nicely; but we will say average, and special teams is average. Jags are a talented team but below average... this should have been a win but we weren't motivated to play them. "Hard work beats talent, when talent doesnt work hard" -KD

We didnt work hard or put forth the effort. This loss is not about lack of talent or scheme. 90% effort and 10% arrogant playcalling. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, Btown_Colt said:

What’s funny is, you act like the only option was to go for it and then act like everyone who disagreed with it is using hindsight. 

 

What your saying is that he can’t be criticized for the call, because the potential reward was greater than kicking the FG. But with higher rewards come higher risks, and it came to fruition in this game. What we are saying is that it was not the time to make that call, and it was obvious from the flow of the game, to anyone that was paying attention. 

 

I mean you can invest in retirement, or go to the casino and gamble all your money at once. One is safe and responsible, the other is risky and wreckless When your young, you should invest. When your older and don’t have time to wait on investments to pay off, that’s when you should go all-in. 

 

 

Well I guess the whole thing is funny then , You aren't going too tell me you wouldn't of been doing this had the gamble paid off but since it didn't work you can be critical and that is fine. The gamble didn't pay off so you win.

[2006Coltsbestever]

17 minutes ago, Trueman said:

Yeah, I don't care either. It's just football , I just don't appreciate being called captain hindsight , when it's clearly a decision I disagreed with at the time , and it's a decision many , many coaches would not have made. 

Either way, this is beating a dead horse at this point. I've already stated I like Reich , but he screwed up. 

Process over result , and in this case , the process and the result were flawed. 

Calm down there Captain nobody was calling you that. All I was really saying was in hindsight its easy to be critical of Reich's calls. 

[Btown_Colt]

3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Well I guess the whole thing is funny then , You aren't going too tell me you wouldn't of been doing this had the gamble paid off but since it didn't work you can be critical and that is fine. The gamble didn't pay off so you win.

We got off on the wrong foot in the game day thread, I apologize for that. But it gets old when everything is either one extreme or the other. It’s not impossible for me, and others, to like Reich as a head coach and disagree with the decision at the same time. 

 

And sure, I mean if my wife takes her check to the casino, hits big, and comes home to share it with me, of course I’m gonna celebrate with her. It wouldn’t make it any less wreckless and irresponsible. 

[Trueman]

14 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Calm down there Captain nobody was calling you that. All I was really saying was in hindsight its easy to be critical of Reich's calls. 

I can assure you , I'm calm. I know what you're saying , but I'm not sure you're grasping what I'm saying.

Yes, had the 4th down calls worked , I would've liked it. I'm not DougDew. 

But no, that doesn't mean I agreed with it. It really made no damn sense to me considering the opponent and considering how the game was playing out. It was simply something I would not have done. Look back at my posts , I said "take the points" before we got stuffed on our 4th down calls.

On top of that, the Jags didn't respect our ground game at all (for good reason). If we were moving the ball on the ground more successfully , I would've felt more comfortable in 4th and short scenarios. As it was, they made us one dimensional and made our less-than-stellar skill position players beat them and our OL hold up against the blitz (which again, they hadn't been doing). They knew we couldn't run it up the gut on them and that severely limited our play-calling and helped theirs immensely. 

Context and nuance is everything. You're conflating hindsight with process/result , and that's just not the case. 



 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, Btown_Colt said:

We got off on the wrong foot in the game day thread, I apologize for that. But it gets old when everything is either one extreme or the other. It’s not impossible for me, and others, to like Reich as a head coach and disagree with the decision at the same time. 

 

And sure, I mean if my wife takes her check to the casino, hits big, and comes home to share it with me, of course I’m gonna celebrate with her. It wouldn’t make it any less wreckless and irresponsible. 

We are good, we are all Colts fans and I get why you and others are being critical of Reich's play calling. It probably did cost us the game in a way but I seriously doubt Reich was worried we wouldn't score at least once. I respect your opinion but IMO I didn't mind him going for it.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, Trueman said:

I can assure you , I'm calm. I know what you're saying , but I'm not sure you're grasping what I'm saying.

Yes, had the 4th down calls worked , I would've liked it. I'm not DougDew. 

But no, that doesn't mean I agreed with it. It really made no damn sense to me considering the opponent and considering how the game was playing out. It was simply something I would not have done. Look back at my posts , I said "take the points" before we got stuffed on our 4th down calls.

On top of that, the Jags didn't respect our ground game at all (for good reason). If we were moving the ball on the ground more successfully , I would've felt more comfortable in 4th and short scenarios. As it was, they made us one dimensional and made our less-than-stellar skill position players beat them and our OL hold up against the blitz (which again, they hadn't been doing). They knew we couldn't run it up the gut on them and that severely limited our play-calling and helped theirs immensely. 

Context and nuance is everything. You're conflating hindsight with result , and that's just not the case. 



 

That is fair enough. I love your knowledge of the game actually, same for Basketball eventhough LeBron isn't better than Jordan or Magic . I guess we will have to see how the season plays out. Very disappointing day no doubt.

[Trueman]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

That is fair enough. I love your knowledge of the game actually, same for Basketball eventhough LeBron isn't better than Jordan or Magic . I guess we will have to see how the season plays out. Very disappointing day no doubt.

Same to you. I'm still very, very positive about the direction of this franchise. Today is just a day to forget. 

Also :

Jordan>Lebron
Lebron>Magic

[Btown_Colt]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We are good, we are all Colts fans and I get why you and others are being critical of Reich's play calling. It probably did cost us the game in a way but I seriously doubt Reich was worried we wouldn't score at least once. I respect your opinion but IMO I didn't mind him going for it.

Play calling is one thing. I’m talking about game management/ decision making. 

 

I am all for being aggressive, but not overly. There is a fine line. But the impact of his decision making today very well could cost the Colts the playoffs where as kicking the field goals, while not as flashy, could have kept their play off chances alive. 

 

I agree that he probably didn’t think the Colts O would be shut out, but that is kind of the issue isn’t it? In my opinion, he didn’t think the decisions through. Instead, he used a boiler plate philosophy to justify his decision when a more in depth risk/reward analysis was required. 

 

Anyway, it’s been a great season, and I like Reich. The future is bright, I just hope this doesn’t become a reoccurring issue with him. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, Trueman said:

Same to you. I'm still very, very positive about the direction of this franchise. Today is just a day to forget. 

Also :

Jordan>Lebron
Lebron>Magic

I actually have LeBron 4th so I have come to my senses with him , Kareem is 3rd IMO. Back to Football, I am disappointed with today, very bad day and the Ravens won too. Our Playoff hopes look like this 

[Moosejawcolt]

2 hours ago, bravo4460 said:

Bad Coaching calls, Bad Offinsive Gameplanning, Poor execution from players, Offnesive like struggled once again.

 

 

This offense is literally nothing without Jack Doyle.

 

Welcome back to earth Colts. Not a great team. Need a lot more playmakers. 

 

 

Bell ;)

If your offenses falls apart because of the loss of Jack Doyle then u got serious problems. Oh my!!!!!!

[jameszeigler834]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

If we ran the same play with bell or Hunt that would've been a TD. Maybe the talent isn't here yet and Reich is just testing things out in his 1st season. If you really think about it we really weren't supposed to do crap this season anyway so I don't mind the gambles at times. Very disappointing loss today and Luck getting shut out is a bit shocking but nobody had us doing crap this season. We won 5 in a row and gave everyone hope so that is why people are sick right now, I get it. We could easily be 9-3 in reality but we are 6-6 so that is a bummer. Still to me, it's been a fun season and we look great at times. I have patience.

Sorry but I wasn't born with any if you suck then you suck I don't sugar coat stuff.

[Trueman]

5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Our Playoff hopes look like this 

lol, probably. 

Good thing I'm a draft nerd. 
 

[jvan1973]

1 hour ago, jameszeigler834 said:

Garbage coaching and playcalling.

A bad week.   It happens. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Trueman said:

lol, probably. 

Good thing I'm a draft nerd. 
 

The Draft boards are about to begin. Only thing that will save it is if we beat Houston.

[jvan1973]

 It was a bad day.   It's the NFL. It happens.   We have a young team and a rookie head coach.   I don't think any reasonable person thought we were gonna win the Super bowl this year.    Take the lumps,   learn from it,  move on.   No need to question the process

[Lucky Colts Fan]

1 minute ago, jameszeigler834 said:

Sorry but I wasn't born with any if you suck then you suck I don't sugar coat stuff.

 

We heard you the first million times you said everyone sucks.

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

 It was a bad day.   It's the NFL. It happens.   We have a young team and a rookie head coach.   I don't think any reasonable person thought we were gonna win the Super bowl this year.    Take the lumps,   learn from it,  move on.   No need to question the process

Yep. I CONCUR 100%. Tough day but hey still 6-6 and now we have to win 4 in a row, let the good times roll 

[WarGhost21]

I love how after a loss the entire forum melts down and plays the blame game. Every single time we do this. It’s embarrasing as a fan to see what you all are saying. This was a bad game for us, but reading the comments I would assume it was the end of the world. We are still sitting at .500, and still have Andrew freaking Luck. There’s still games left to be played, so let’s not admit defeat yet. Good riddance 

[IinD]

4 minutes ago, WarGhost21 said:

I love how after a loss the entire forum melts down and plays the blame game. Every single time we do this. It’s embarrasing as a fan to see what you all are saying. This was a bad game for us, but reading the comments I would assume it was the end of the world. We are still sitting at .500, and still have Andrew freaking Luck. There’s still games left to be played, so let’s not admit defeat yet. Good riddance 

Not that I'm protecting anyone, but 90%+ fans are this way.

 

You'll find Browns fans saying we could be the#1 seed if it wasn't for 50+ things this season that haven't gone their way.. Lol

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, WarGhost21 said:

I love how after a loss the entire forum melts down and plays the blame game. Every single time we do this. It’s embarrasing as a fan to see what you all are saying. This was a bad game for us, but reading the comments I would assume it was the end of the world. We are still sitting at .500, and still have Andrew freaking Luck. There’s still games left to be played, so let’s not admit defeat yet. Good riddance 

I call it the 'SWEET' meltdown. We were actually due for a loss but a shutout loss to the Jags is a bit surprising. The Jags have the best Defensive talent in the league in reality and were picked to win the SB by many before the season. They showed up today and we didn't  

[BloodyChamp]

The Colts were mad boys. I don’t know how that helmet that the lineman slammed down didn’t shatter. If they channel this the right way they can go undefeated. If they let it fester the wrong way then...

[Lucky Colts Fan]

11 minutes ago, WarGhost21 said:

I love how after a loss the entire forum melts down and plays the blame game. Every single time we do this. It’s embarrasing as a fan to see what you all are saying. This was a bad game for us, but reading the comments I would assume it was the end of the world. We are still sitting at .500, and still have Andrew freaking Luck. There’s still games left to be played, so let’s not admit defeat yet. Good riddance 

 

All these "fans" having to sit through a 5-game winning-streak, then finally getting to be negative after a loss:

 

[richard pallo]

3 hours ago, MTC said:

This game opened my eyes to see how bad we need receivers. 

And to think Amari Cooper was out there.  

[richard pallo]

3 hours ago, Flash7 said:

1. Our O-line is good, but not the bullies that we thought they were. They got man handled today.

 

2. Does this sound like a broken record? We need someone aside from T.Y. to be a reliable receiver.

 

3. 4th and 1: We came across this situation three times in the game and in all 3 times, we were cute. Not tough...cute. We didn't run it up the middle because we were scared of the Jags defense. We let them intimidate us into making stupid play calls.

 

4. Our defense played well. Eberflus made some stupid decisions by going into prevent defense on third and long situations, giving JAX easy opportunities. I'm not a fan of his, at all.

Third and long and they keep hitting the RB as a safety valve for a 1st down.  Crazy.

[jvan1973]

Just now, richard pallo said:

Third and long and they keep hitting the RB as a safety valve for a 1st down.  Crazy.

If that's all that's open,   what should he do? The jags game planned great today.   Tip your hat and move on. 

[richard pallo]

4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

If that's all that's open,   what should he do? The jags game planned great today.   Tip your hat and move on. 

Defend against it.  No one should be that wide open.  Expect they might actually throw it to a safety valve. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

2 hours ago, The Brazilian Ninja said:

My thoughts exactaly. Your defense is handling the opponents offense all day long, trust on them. But apparently Reich doesen't like to kick field goals.

 

....or punt in OT in his own territory.

[richard pallo]

What's crazy is the Jags did everything they could to give us the game in the 1st half.  Turnovers, major penalties kept giving us opportunities and we could do nothing with them.  It was obvious after awhile it was going to be a real defensive battle and we passed on opportunities to get points to give us a chance.  Nuts!

[Malakai432]

I didn't get to watch the game today due to family affairs, but it seems like I didn't miss much.  It seems like from hearing what many have been saying is that the Colts played like they were down 30+ points to the Saints today.  I noticed Luck threw 50+ times and they only ran around 15 times or so?  Seems like the game plan was a complete failure.  Have to hand it to the Jags defensively, well and Colts defensively as well lol.  To think the Colts would love to Jacksonville 0-6 is kind of mind boggling.  

[aReggie7]

Frank's 4th down aggression reminds me of what Bruce Arians said a few years ago.

 

“It’s a short elevator ride back to the s—house … all of a sudden, I’m the greatest damned coach in the world. I’ve been a sorry son of a + for 17, 18 years now. I mean, I ain’t changed just because we won a couple games.”

 

Today will not be the last time that Frank goes for it on 4th down. Some of the times it will work for the Colts. Some of the same people questioning/being critical of him today will be the same ones singing his praises in the future when it works.