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Kareem Hunt pushes and kicks a woman on video

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2 minutes ago, Shive said:

To those saying they should have called the police to handle it, they most like didn't because of the same reason they kicked her out of the room. They found out she was only 19. They were probably worried that if they called the police, they would get in trouble for her drinking, which is a legitimate concern for someone of their age and in the situation they were in.

Either way a man should never hit a woman for any reason (not to say or even hint that you are) but the fact that any one on here is trying to justify his actions is astonishing to me.

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14 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

It was-

 

Earlier this year, we were made aware of an incident involving running back Kareem Hunt. At that time, the National Football League and law enforcement initiated investigations into the issue. As part of our internal discussions with Kareem, several members of our management team spoke directly to him. Kareem was not truthful in those discussions. The video released today confirms that fact. We are releasing Kareem immediately.”

 

https://www.chiefs.com/news/statement-from-the-kansas-city-chiefs-on-rb-kareem-hunt?sf203419367=1

 

 

And the nature of his falsehood alibi as well.

I'm guessing the chiefs are being dishonest as well. They released him because it's on tape.

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4 minutes ago, Shive said:

To those saying they should have called the police to handle it, they most like didn't because of the same reason they kicked her out of the room. They found out she was only 19. They were probably worried that if they called the police, they would get in trouble for her drinking, which is a legitimate concern for someone of their age and in the situation they were in.

Police were called. She admitted to hitting him with a lamp. Also sounds like there were some racial slurs used as well. Police didnt charge because they deemed it self defense

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1 hour ago, strt182 said:

I feel all HUMANS should be accounted for equally.   In TODAYS world you can't really say that. I'm probably not going to use the same force or technique on a woman that I would a man but that doesn't mean i fear a man any more then I do a woman.  

I would! I would fear Margus Hunt a lot more than TY Hilton if I had to go toe to toe with one of them

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4 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

What's hard to understand?  Once she was out of his room she was no longer a danger to him.

What he did outside the room was against the law no matter what happened inside.

Had there been any serious injuries the cops more than likely would have made an arrest.

He must have felt he did do something wrong because he lied about it, thus costing him his job with the Chiefs.

No doubt he will continue his career when his penalties are complete. Let's hope he learns his lesson and not put himself in a bad situation again.

He is talented enough that some team will sign him no question.

I have no clue on who that team may be.

I disagree with the bolded, given the reports I've seen and read.  There are reports that she was kicked out of his room, then stood outside his door and yelling racial slurs for 30 minutes.  She's not a physical danger to him, but she's certainly harassing/aggravating him.  I don't know what parts of this are true and what the whole story is, but if those reports are true, then it certainly paints the whole situation differently.

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3 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

I disagree with the bolded, given the reports I've seen and read.  There are reports that she was kicked out of his room, then stood outside his door and yelling racial slurs for 30 minutes.  She's not a physical danger to him, but she's certainly harassing/aggravating him.  I don't know what parts of this are true and what the whole story is, but if those reports are true, then it certainly paints the whole situation differently.

That is when any logical person would call Hotel Security to have her removed away from his door. At least I would. If I stay at any Hotel and someone is pounding on my door and won't leave that I want to leave then I am calling Security. 

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8 hours ago, Narcosys said:

My take is if any person attacks another, you have equal right to protecting yourself to the fullest extent that is required to put a stop to the attacks. It is not ok to continue to "defend" yourself after the situation is mitigated. Be it man or woman, it makes no difference when it comes to self defense.

 

I agree.  But my point was about the guys on here trying to say that what Hunt did on video is self-defense.

 

6 hours ago, esmort said:

I can't believe so many people are rushing to defend this girl (and even spinning the narrative in her favor) ... I must be watching a different video.

 

I already said I'm not excusing her behavior.  She deserves her share of the blame for the whole situation.  But the guys trying to say his behavior was self-defense are wrong.

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46 minutes ago, HectorRoberts said:

Either way a man should never hit a woman for any reason (not to say or even hint that you are) but the fact that any one on here is trying to justify his actions is astonishing to me.

I disagree with the definitive never. This whole "men should NEVER lay a hand on a woman" mind-set hails back to a time when women were universally viewed as frail, weak, and only capable of tending to the home. Women these days are largely strong, independent, and able to do anything a man can. Hell, there's a slew of crossfit girls that could easily beat up an average guy.

 

I'm not defending Hunt's actions, but this whole "never" thing is a crock these days.

 

44 minutes ago, CantBeStopped said:

Police were called. She admitted to hitting him with a lamp. Also sounds like there were some racial slurs used as well. Police didnt charge because they deemed it self defense

They were called eventually, but I'm referring to the time of the incident, as some people said he should have just called the cops on her to have her removed. In that situation, it's risky because she is 19 years old, drunk, and just left your hotel room. All she has to do is tell the cops she got the alcohol from you and you're getting charged for contributing to underage drinking. After the fact, it's easy to say that's inconsequential, but in the moment would have been a legitimate concern and reason to try to handle it yourselves and without police. 

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We keep  talking about incident over and over.  The real question we need to ask is this an isolated incident or is this a  pattern of behavior? With counselling can Hunt change? I believe in the NFL policy regarding suspensions.  However, do we simply wash our hands of him and  place a life sentence on him.   People can change with the right kind of intervention.  I have worked with a lot of people with issues ranging from addictions to domestic violence. They come from horrific back grounds.  Generational abuse and addictions.  I worked with families and it is amazing how much a person can change if they r committed. I won't condemn Hunt or place a life sentence because I have made mistakes through out my life.  I allowed myself to grow and actually went thru counselling.  It is amazing the effect counselling can have have on ones life. APIE. ASSESS the situation.  Put a PLAN in place for example counselling. IMPLEMENT with services and then EVALUATE  to c if those services r working.  

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1 hour ago, Narcosys said:

We haven't been discussing what happened in the video. Sorry you haven't been following correctly.

That's right. You have done your best to derail the thread by being argumentative with the original thread.

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1 hour ago, 21isSuperman said:

I disagree with the bolded, given the reports I've seen and read.  There are reports that she was kicked out of his room, then stood outside his door and yelling racial slurs for 30 minutes.  She's not a physical danger to him, but she's certainly harassing/aggravating him.  I don't know what parts of this are true and what the whole story is, but if those reports are true, then it certainly paints the whole situation differently.

If she is not a physical danger to him then he should have stayed in his room and called security. He left his room to attack her. And even after she was down he kicked her.

Legally that is assault no matter what happened in the room.

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5 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

What's hard to understand?  Once she was out of his room she was no longer a danger to him.

What he did outside the room was against the law no matter what happened inside.

Had there been any serious injuries the cops more than likely would have made an arrest.

He must have felt he did do something wrong because he lied about it, thus costing him his job with the Chiefs.

No doubt he will continue his career when his penalties are complete. Let's hope he learns his lesson and not put himself in a bad situation again.

He is talented enough that some team will sign him no question.

I have no clue on who that team may be.

Well the law enforcement seems to disagree with you seeing how he wasnt charged at all

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1 minute ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

Well the law enforcement seems to disagree with you seeing how he wasnt charged at all

It makes no difference what the law enforcement did or didn't do. The video does not lie.

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5 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Legally the guy that got knocked down into the female could charge Hunt with assault if he wanted to.

 

I doubt it, because Hunt didn't realize or intend to knock him or her down (he was facing away from them pulling), running into the guy and knocking them both down was unintentional.

 

The guy would have more of a case of assault against the girl since she shoves him while he was only standing in her path between her and Hunt.  Her initial move at the very beginning toward Hunt while Hunt's friend was trying to block her would be more a case of assault than when she (or the guy) got knocked over.

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3 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

Well the law enforcement seems to disagree with you seeing how he wasnt charged at all

What you don't understand is the police made a report of it. It was up to her to press charges from there.

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1 minute ago, esmort said:

 

I doubt it, because Hunt didn't realize or intend to knock him or her down (he was facing away from them pulling), running into the guy and knocking them both down was unintentional.

 

The guy would have more of a case of assault against the girl since she shoves him while he was only standing in her path between her and Hunt.  Her initial move at the very beginning toward Hunt while Hunt's friend was trying to block her would be more a case of assault than when she (or the guy) got knocked over.

Hunt came out of his room to accost the female. He was being the aggressor.

 

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I just watched video. It looked like he shoved the guy, who then knocked the girl over. I'm missing the hitting and kicking part. 

 

The woman looked like major major drama and wanting an altercation. He should have just booted her out and locked door. But in the heat of the moment when emotions are flying you're obviously not thinking clearly. 

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6 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

What you don't understand is the police made a report of it. It was up to her to press charges from there.

That's not true. The state can pick up a case even if the victim does not press charges. 

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10 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

It makes no difference what the law enforcement did or didn't do. The video does not lie.

Well the police seen the video before you ever did and launched an investigation ending with Hunt receiving no punishment not sure whats so hard for everyone to understand 

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1 minute ago, NewEra said:

That's not true. The state can pick up a case even if the victim does not press charges. 

Evidently the state didn't pick up the charges. They didn't but that don't mean he gets away with it especially when there is a video of the actions.

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4 hours ago, ColtsGermany said:

I'm shocked about how many guys in here would beat women and defend Hunt.... I mean, what's wrong with you? Even IF she slapped him first.... A SLAP... Wow... Its not like she hit him with a baseball bat and it was health threatening. He could have gone back in his room and call the police.... But no.... That dumb *** pushes her against the wall and kicks her as she is defenseless. I don't know how anybody can defend this behavior. If i would write what i think about you guys that defend Hunt, i would be banned on this forum. 

 

What Hunt did was far from a beating.

 

He doesn't push her into the wall ... he fell into his friend (while facing away from them) and they fall into the wall. Which would have never happened if she didn't keep coming back to run her mouth and try to antagonize him.

 

The kick is stupid on his part, but is pretty weak and doesn't amount to much. It was on the thigh/behind and only knocks her over because she was dizzy and/or drunk.

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2 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

Well the police seen the video before you ever did and launched an investigation ending with Hunt receiving no punishment not sure whats so hard for everyone to understand 

What the police did or didn't do makes no difference. The video shows what happened. Is that hard to understand?

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1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

Evidently the state didn't pick up the charges. They didn't but that don't mean he gets away with it especially when there is a video of the actions.

Well when the law sees that he doesn't need to be charged I don't see how average Joe colts fans can demand he "broke the law". Are you guys all cops judges and investigators??

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1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

What the police did or didn't do makes no difference. The video shows what happened. Is that hard to understand?

No the only one not understanding is you I know shocking right

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2 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

 

The kick is stupid on his part, but is pretty weak and doesn't amount to much. It was on the thigh/behind and only knocks her over because she was dizzy and/or drunk.

He kicked her no matter how weak you think it is. And she was already down when he kicked her. He made a special trip to kick her and that is assault no matter if you think it was a weak kick.

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9 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Hunt came out of his room to accost the female. He was being the aggressor.

 

 

That doesn't matter in context to the statement I was quoting.  You said the guy (his friend) could file for assault against Hunt. I was pointing out Hunt falling into his friend is not assault and that the girl pushing the guy (the friend blocking her) before Hunt falling into them was much more a case of assault.

 

Side note - him coming out of the room if she is beating on the door or escorting her out if she was causing trouble inside does not make him the aggressor. If you watch he isn't violent at first.  She makes the the first aggressive move.

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1 minute ago, esmort said:

 

That doesn't matter in context to the statement I was quoting.  You said the guy (his friend) could file for assault against Hunt. I was pointing out Hunt falling into his friend is not assault and that the girl pushing the guy (the friend blocking her) before Hunt falling into them was much more a case of assault.

 

Side note - him coming out of the room if she is beating on the door or escorting her out if she was causing trouble inside does not make him the aggressor. If you watch he isn't violent at first.  She makes the the first aggressive move.

So there was no phone in the room? The second he came out of the room he became the aggressor. This sticking up for him is horse dung.

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5 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

That doesn't matter in context to the statement I was quoting.  You said the guy (his friend) could file for assault against Hunt. I was pointing out Hunt falling into his friend is not assault and that the girl pushing the guy (the friend blocking her) before Hunt falling into them was much more a case of assault.

 

Side note - him coming out of the room if she is beating on the door or escorting her out if she was causing trouble inside does not make him the aggressor. If you watch he isn't violent at first.  She makes the the first aggressive move.

Why not just get her out of the room and call Hotel Security, that is common sense to me. If he had done that he would still be with the Chiefs and look like a hell of a guy about now. 

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2 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

He kicked her no matter how weak you think it is. And she was already down when he kicked her. He made a special trip to kick her and that is assault no matter if you think it was a weak kick.

 

Though I agree it is technically assault, it still wasn't that big of deal.  Why do people keep adding in "while she is already down" like he has beaten her down in a fist fight and over kicking her ribs and face ... this is what I am talking about spinning the narrative to make it worse.

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3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

So there was no phone in the room? The second he came out of the room he became the aggressor. This sticking up for him is horse dung.

 

No saying someone coming out of their room to someone pounding on it is the aggressor is the "horse dung".  Sure he could have (and probably should have) just called security.  But, opening the door and telling her to leave does not make him the aggressor.  She is the aggressor almost all the way through this situation.

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18 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Evidently the state didn't pick up the charges. They didn't but that don't mean he gets away with it especially when there is a video of the actions.

They haven't picked it up yet. Not sure what the state of limitations are. 

 

I can tell you right now from experience. There are some bat crap crazy chicks that will try to straight fights dudes....my ex was one

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6 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Why not just get her out of the room and call Hotel Security, that is common sense to me. If he had done that he would still be with the Chiefs and look like a hell of a guy about now. 

 

Probably the best decision and what he should have done.  He may have thought calling hotel security (and possibly police) would have caused a bigger scene than going out and telling her to leave.  Obviously in hindsight it was bad decision but he didn't come out and immediately attack her (he was calm at the beginning) so obviously he thought he could get her to leave without involving security and possibly police.

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3 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

No saying someone coming out of their room to someone pounding on it is the aggressor is the "horse dung".  Sure he could have (and probably should have) just called security.  But, opening the door and telling her to leave does not make him the aggressor.  She is the aggressor almost all the way through this situation.

I fully understand but his kick in the end he was the aggressor. That is the final issue and the smoking gun so to say. I am not excusing her and her part in this but if he didn't think he was wrong he wouldn't have lied about it.

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1.  I don't think anyone is defending Hunt, they're just saying the girl was wrong.

 

2.  I don't think anyone is defending the girl, they're just saying Hunt was wrong.

 

Can we all agree on this?  The whole man vs woman thing is a separate side-argument that @CantBeStopped never should have even brought up.

 

Both were wrong.  That doesn't mean two wrongs made a right, even though neither was arrested.  Everyone loses when you're under the influence and arguing with each other at 3am.

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4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

They haven't picked it up yet. Not sure what the state of limitations are. 

 

I can tell you right now from experience. There are some bat crap crazy chicks that will try to straight fights dudes....my ex was one

I agree with that 100%.  I have dealt with and still have to deal with those types of females in my life. I have 7 sister in laws and 2 sisters of my own that are bat crazy as you describe them. He was just no mature enough to know how to handle them.

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Just now, crazycolt1 said:

I fully understand but his kick in the end he was the aggressor. That is the final issue and the smoking gun so to say. I am not excusing her and her part in this but if he didn't think he was wrong he wouldn't have lied about it.

 

Yes the end/kick was stupid on his part and unnecessary.  I haven't read what parts he lied to the team about so I don't know about that. Who knows he maybe not even remember exactly what happened when they were asking him.

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2 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

1.  I don't think anyone is defending Hunt, they're just saying the girl was wrong.

 

2.  I don't think anyone is defending the girl, they're just saying Hunt was wrong.

 

Can we all agree on this?  The whole man vs woman thing is a separate side-argument we don't really need to be having.

 

Both were wrong.  That doesn't mean two wrongs made a right, even though neither was arrested.  Everyone loses when you're under the influence and arguing with each other at 3am.

The old saying nothing good happens after midnight holds true in most cases. haha

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If you surround yourself with toxic people....men & women. Bad things are usually going to happen. Took me many years and a lot of head ache to figure that one out.

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7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If you surround yourself with toxic people....men & women. Bad things are usually going to happen. Took me many years and a lot of head ache to figure that one out.

You and me both my friend.

When I decided to get away from the drama my blood pressure went way down.

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