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DeAndre Baker - Georgia - 91.4

Kindle Vildor - GA Southern - 90.5

Bryce Hall - Virginia - 90.5

Hamp Cheavers - Boston College - 90.0

Brian Peavy - Iowa State - 89.3

Brian Murphy - Washington - 88.9

 

CB should be able to get one or two of these guys in round 3 and/or 4 or lower if he decides to triple dip building the front 7 in the 1st 2 rounds.  Fingers crossed.  I could get used to an 8 man rotation of Sheard, Ward, Turay, Hunt, Ridgeway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, 2nd rounder.  Assuming he resigns Hunt, etc.

 

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5 hours ago, bigt said:

DeAndre Baker - Georgia - 91.4

Kindle Vildor - GA Southern - 90.5

Bryce Hall - Virginia - 90.5

Hamp Cheavers - Boston College - 90.0

Brian Peavy - Iowa State - 89.3

Brian Murphy - Washington - 88.9

 

CB should be able to get one or two of these guys in round 3 and/or 4 or lower if he decides to triple dip building the front 7 in the 1st 2 rounds.  Fingers crossed.  I could get used to an 8 man rotation of Sheard, Ward, Turay, Hunt, Ridgeway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, 2nd rounder.  Assuming he resigns Hunt, etc.

 

 

Why do you think these guys will be available in the 3rd or 4th round?

 

Typically, on average,  about 5 corners go in each of the first 3 rounds....     yes, 15 in the first two days........    if these guys are grading the highest,  they may not be there come R3 or 4.

 

Also....

 

Do we know if they are "man" corners, or "zone" corners?

 

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On 11/1/2018 at 11:26 PM, bigt said:

DeAndre Baker - Georgia - 91.4

Kindle Vildor - GA Southern - 90.5

Bryce Hall - Virginia - 90.5

Hamp Cheavers - Boston College - 90.0

Brian Peavy - Iowa State - 89.3

Brian Murphy - Washington - 88.9

 

CB should be able to get one or two of these guys in round 3 and/or 4 or lower if he decides to triple dip building the front 7 in the 1st 2 rounds.  Fingers crossed.  I could get used to an 8 man rotation of Sheard, Ward, Turay, Hunt, Ridgeway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, 2nd rounder.  Assuming he resigns Hunt, etc.

 

Where's Greedy Williams?

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17 hours ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

I'd worry more about getting a D linemen RT and SS before CB early we dont need elite CBs as bad for this D like the 3-4 

The draft isn't about needs, it's about taking BPA (within reason). You use FA for needs and build the draft around that.

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1 minute ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

And d linemen will be the BPA early the draft is full of great linemen 

I agree. I was more talking about the CB position. This class is fantastic for D-Lineman. Can't wait to see who we acquire for our front 7 in the first round. You gotta know Ballard is targeting someone.

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Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

I agree. I was more talking about the CB position. This class is fantastic for D-Lineman. Can't wait to see who we acquire for our front 7 in the first round. You gotta know Ballard is targeting someone.

My only point was that the CB position isnt one you need to invest early draft picks and tons of money into in a 4-3 as much as you do in the 3-4

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Just now, Colts_Fan12 said:

My only point was that the CB position isnt one you need to invest early draft picks and tons of money into in a 4-3 as much as you do in the 3-4

Do we play more man or zone? CB hasn't been something I've paid too much attention to on this team this year as no one has really broken out. It'd definitely help me out on watching tape for who we should draft this year.

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14 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Do we play more man or zone? CB hasn't been something I've paid too much attention to on this team this year as no one has really broken out. It'd definitely help me out on watching tape for who we should draft this year.

I'm not sure I haven't been able to watch as much of the games as I wanted to

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Yeah I'm good just busy with work lol how about you 

Everything's good. Besides the 3-5 record, this has been a fun football year. Nice to see some players break out and the O-Line fixed. Have won some money at the casino the last couple months, and even got a nice hit in a box of baseball cards with the winnings, so everything is pretty solid. Going to go over my parents house and watch the Broncos game today with the bye week happening for the Colts. Life is solid right now! :thmup:

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1 hour ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

And d linemen will be the BPA early the draft is full of great linemen 

 

Baring a big injury to one of our o-lineman, I am sure Ballard takes a DT or pass rusher in rd one.
And highly likely the same in rd 2.
 A corner that can cover is the other Obvious need for rd 2. It really is that simple.

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1 hour ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Do we play more man or zone? CB hasn't been something I've paid too much attention to on this team this year as no one has really broken out. It'd definitely help me out on watching tape for who we should draft this year.

 

We play more zone, but we do play some man coverage as well.

 

But reguardless of how many games you watch, Ballard has repeatedly said Corner is not a premium position for this defense.   The front 7, especially  the front 4, is where you need the premium talent.    

 

The upcoming draft is like a gift for Ballard! 

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14 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

  And with Ballard's 2nd pick as GM of the Colts, with PREMIUM PICK #46 he chooses a CB.

  So he repeatedly says what he doesn't actually believe in.   Come on man.   :banana::wall:

If CB isn't still a premium position NOTHING is.

  And we sure look very poor at the position to me. 

It's not a premium position in the 4-3 that's all we will still improve the CBs but we dont need a 1st or second round CB the CB play will improve with a better D line pass rush and safeties 

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9 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

I dont see a CB being taken until round 3 (or later)

 

We NEED a SS...... BAD

We NEED DL...... BAD

We Should get...... OL

I really wanna spend some of our money on Landon Collins next year him and hooker will be awesome then take one of the many stud D linemen in the 1st round and a OT in the second 

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35 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

I really wanna spend some of our money on Landon Collins next year him and hooker will be awesome then take one of the many stud D linemen in the 1st round and a OT in the second 

I would be A-OK with that strategy

 

I wonder if NY will franchise Collins though

 

 

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How are these guys  in different coverages?
Cover 0, Cover 1, Cover/Tampa 2, Cover 3, Cover 4 (Quarters)


And how often does Eberflus run these different coverages?  I don't have game pass this year, nor access to all 22 video.

 

To me, the traits to fulfill these responsibilities for our D as I know it are key for our CB.

The ability to “jam” a receiver is the top priority for the CB, IMO. Disrupt the release and timing. Otherwise, you compromise the safety's.

 
Funnel or force the inside release, using the technique above.  Then be prepared to sink with back to sideline to prevent getting beat down the sideline and also shrink that hole for a '7' route.  But also prepared (using run/pass keys) plant a foot and cover the flat ([pass off WR to safety) or to fend off a WR block and set the edge and force everything (outside runs/screens) inside to the help. Good tackling is important, and fast run recognition and support is necessary.

I  don't just want to know someone number grade.  Need details and fit assessments too.

 

(EDIT: an Antoine Winfield type is a model CB for our system, IMHO)

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7 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

The same people saying CB isn’t a premium position are the same people who said OG wasn’t a premium position. Ballard has his philosophies, but he will take ANY position if it’s a premium player and the board falls in their favor.

 

Ballard is an expert at scouting the specific skill sets for each position required for our defense.  He will analyze all data brought to him from area scouts, and scout on his own.  (And it will not always be what the media darlings dictate). We are in good hands.

 

What's that saying peeps here often say...

 

In Ballard I trust...

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Ballard has stated he'll work on other positions via draft capital once the big guys on both sides of the line are in a place he's comfortable. And, given the emphasis this D puts on the safety play, I doubt he'll ever pick a CB highly. I expect we'll see a revolving door there for years to come.

 

I expect their draft to look something along the lines of the following
R1) DT/DE
R2-1) DE/DT/WR
R2-2) WR/LB
R3) LB/D or O line depth
R4-1) Depth D or O Line
R4-Comp) Skill positions

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2 hours ago, TheMarine said:

Ballard has stated he'll work on other positions via draft capital once the big guys on both sides of the line are in a place he's comfortable. And, given the emphasis this D puts on the safety play, I doubt he'll ever pick a CB highly. I expect we'll see a revolving door there for years to come.

 

I expect their draft to look something along the lines of the following
R1) DT/DE
R2-1) DE/DT/WR
R2-2) WR/LB
R3) LB/D or O line depth
R4-1) Depth D or O Line
R4-Comp) Skill positions

He’d run the card in if De’Andre Baker was there at our pick in the 1st. He took a guard at 6, you really think it’d be impossible for him to take a CB high?

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2 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

He took a guard at 6, you really think it’d be impossible for him to take a CB high?

 

Yes. No where in the Tampa 2/Cover 2 history has a shut down corner ever been required. They dont shadow the #1 WR. They don't need to be constantly in press coverage. Its the Safeties that matter most in the secondary. Ballard/Eberflus will need a Warren Sapp/Freeney/Mathis type player or a replacement for Geathers before they'll take a CB in the very early draft. You're going to see a revolving door at CB like we did during Dungy's time

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Yes. No where in the Tampa 2/Cover 2 history has a shut down corner ever been required. They dont shadow the #1 WR. They don't need to be constantly in press coverage. Its the Safeties that matter most in the secondary. Ballard/Eberflus will need a Warren Sapp/Freeney/Mathis type player or a replacement for Geathers before they'll take a CB in the very early draft. You're going to see a revolving door at CB like we did during Dungy's time

I get that the scheme doesn’t require it, but BPA is Ballard’s MO. The only positions I think are excluded are specialists. I don’t disagree that this D needs a strong D-line, but I wouldn’t downplay an elite CB. Baker for example is not only the best CB in the draft, but the best zone CB. He’s an elite  player and after combine testing and interviews, will likely grade as a blue chip talent. If he’s better by a good margin to whatever DT or DE they have they’ve got on their board at their pick, he’s handing the card in.

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22 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

The same people saying CB isn’t a premium position are the same people who said OG wasn’t a premium position. Ballard has his philosophies, but he will take ANY position if it’s a premium player and the board falls in their favor.

That’s false.    Completely false.    These are NOT the same people.

 

Chris Ballard said guard can be a premium position.  He said that when he drafted QN.    Chris Ballard said cornerback is NOT a premium position in his defense.    He literally said those words.  

 

Now he did draft Quincy Wilson with a pick in the 40’s, so Ballard IS willing to spend a high pick on a corner.   I just don’t see him spending a one.  Especially not a high first.   Especially when he’s still working to build the lines.   And especially when we have an historic class of D-lineman coming out.   

 

Is it possible that CB takes Baker or Greedy?    Sure, it’s possible.   But I certainly don’t think it’s likely.   I’d call both a long shot at this point.

 

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Is it possible that CB takes Baker or Greedy?    Sure, it’s possible.   But I certainly don’t think it’s likely.   I’d call both a long shot at this point.

 

I've been doing some simulated drafts lately and i find myself picking CB over and over in the 1st because I find the available CBs to be BPA at that position of the draft. It's still too early, but IMO Ballard will not pick an inferior player if elite one is available even if it's at CB.

 

I know the Tampa 2 cover scheme doesn't require elite talent at CB, but we still play in sub-packages in over 50% of the cases and IMO CB is still one of the premier positions in most of those packages. 

 

As I've been saying lately, I also am hopeful that we will be moving more and more towards man-cover scheme as we continue to improve the talent and experience of the roster. 

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