For A 5th Run Pick!!!!

[Tombstone]

Them Darn Jacksonville Jaguars are about to sign Carlos Hide for a 5th Round Draft Pick...  Hell We Could Have Gave Them That....  If Anything He Could Have Been Our Short Yardage Back.  He Has 5 TD 

5th Round Pick That Is 

[Tombstone]

5th Round Pick Gentlemen 

[indyagent17]

Ok 5th round pick, got it

[Trueman]

Yes, this is what excess skill position players go for on the trade market. 

Why people feel we should invest prime draft capital in such players is beyond me. The evidence is clear. 

Ballard wants us to play and develop our young players. Last I checked, we have 3 drafted RB's on the roster and all of them have had promising moments. We don't need to be moving picks for a player that doesn't move the needle at all long term , and would be blocking the development of Mack, Hines and Wilkins. 

If it was an elite back for that price , I'd think about it. Hyde is just a guy. He wasn't the starter going forward in Cleveland , and he won't be the starter in Jacksonville. 

The reason the Jags traded for him is because their starter is injured , and they're in win-now mode. Picks aren't nearly as valuable to them at this stage of their development. 

Would Hyde be an upgrade? Probably.

Does he make sense for the Colts? No.


 

[#12.]

The Hee Haw version of a 5th rounder... lol

[jvan1973]

I wouldn't have hated it.   But certainty not a necessity.  We have good backs.   We need to run block better imo

[Tombstone]

Carlos Hyde is 26yrs old and would not start for here either.  The Colts don't really have a short yardage back.  He would'nt be stunting anyones development.  Currently when the Colts are inside the 10 yard line its all passing from there and for good reason.  He could have brought that here.  They are keeping Turbin is he stunting anyone development.  Of course not and Hyde is a better option then him.... And yes Jacksonville brought him in because of injury and they brougt in a physical back due to an injured physical back.

[jvan1973]

2 minutes ago, Tombstone said:

Carlos Hyde is 26yrs old and would not start for here either.  The Colts don't really have a short yardage back.  He would'nt be stunting anyones development.  Currently when the Colts are inside the 10 yard line its all passing from there and for good reason.  He could have brought that here.  They are keeping Turbin is he stunting anyone development.  Of course not and Hyde is a better option then him.... And yes Jacksonville brought him in because of injury and they brougt in a physical back due to an injured physical back.

Exactly,   he isn't great.   He's good.   Our backs are good as well.   No change.   Again,   if the colts traded a 5th and dropped turbin, I would have been cool with that.   I don't think it would have changed much though.   

[Tombstone]

1 hour ago, Trueman said:

Yes, this is what excess skill position players go for on the trade market. 

Why people feel we should invest prime draft capital in such players is beyond me. The evidence is clear. 

Ballard wants us to play and develop our young players. Last I checked, we have 3 drafted RB's on the roster and all of them have had promising moments. We don't need to be moving picks for a player that doesn't move the needle at all long term , and would be blocking the development of Mack, Hines and Wilkins. 

If it was an elite back for that price , I'd think about it. Hyde is just a guy. He wasn't the starter going forward in Cleveland , and he won't be the starter in Jacksonville. 

The reason the Jags traded for him is because their starter is injured , and they're in win-now mode. Picks aren't nearly as valuable to them at this stage of their development. 

Would Hyde be an upgrade? Probably.

Does he make sense for the Colts? No.


 

A 5th round draft pick is your definition of a Prime Draft Pick.  If thats the case then I guess the term of a bust Draft Pick would be someone Drafted what 8th, 9th in the Draft...... 

[jvan1973]

2 minutes ago, Tombstone said:

A 5th round draft pick is your definition of a Prime Draft Pick.  If thats the case then I guess the term of a bust Draft Pick would be someone Drafted what 8th, 9th in the Draft...... 

There isn't 8 or 9 rounds

[Jackie Daytona]

6 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

There isn't 8 or 9 rounds

which was his point.....   lol

[Jason_]

9 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

There isn't 8 or 9 rounds

 

Well I'm still trying to figure out what pick was traded for Hyde. OP was a little vague about that

 

 

[Kyle]

27 minutes ago, Tombstone said:

Carlos Hyde is 26yrs old and would not start for here either.  The Colts don't really have a short yardage back.  He would'nt be stunting anyones development.  Currently when the Colts are inside the 10 yard line its all passing from there and for good reason.  He could have brought that here.  They are keeping Turbin is he stunting anyone development.  Of course not and Hyde is a better option then him.... And yes Jacksonville brought him in because of injury and they brougt in a physical back due to an injured physical back.

He is 28

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, J@son said:

 

Well I'm still trying to figure out what pick was traded for Hyde. OP was a little vague about that

A 5th is what I've seen

2 minutes ago, Shafty138 said:

which was his point.....   lol

It was a terrible point 

[Jason_]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

A 5th is what I've seen

 

Lol. I fixed my previous post

[Jackie Daytona]

8 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

A 5th is what I've seen

It was a terrible point 

Oh, on that we agree, just stating the facts, not saying I support him on it.  lol

[Tombstone]

I stand corrected he is 28.  My point was that he could have brougth some situational football here as far as a runner.  I do like the young running back that are here and wasn't expecting Hyde to come in here and be the man or something but to me the Colts are missing that little element that they had with Frank Gore.  Teams had to respect that the Colts just might just try to run to ball  inside the ten yard line.  

[PeterBowman]

Jax is also in win now mode..... Colts are not

[LJpalmbeacher2]

3 hours ago, Tombstone said:

Them Darn Jacksonville Jaguars are about to sign Carlos Hide for a 5th Round Draft Pick...  Hell We Could Have Gave Them That....  If Anything He Could Have Been Our Short Yardage Back.  He Has 5 TD 

5th Round Pick That Is 

 

Here's Hyde's contract:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/carlos-hyde-14467/

 

I'm sure he's more expensive than Wilkins and probably at worst similar to  Turbin's contract plus a 5th rd draft pick to acquire him.

 

That's NOT the kind of deals colts usually do.

[NorthernBlue]

Carlos Hyde ain’t suddenly gonna make the Oline run block more consistently, make the receivers stop dropping balls, and make the 1-5 Colts suddenly into playoff contenders so why would you want them to trade for him?

[Tombstone]

1. I thought I posted that Hyde wouldn't come here being the man let alone getting the Colts to the playoffs.  2. Regarding the oline earlier in the season most words heard about them was Trash, Suck so on and so on.  Not so much now:  knock on wood.  3. Don't get the conection with what Hyde has to do with the Receivers dropping passes what so ever.  4.  Who's to say the oline if stay healthy will get a little more consistent.  Was kind of shock they didn't bail on the running game in the second half against the Jets.  Not getting too hype about the pub the oline is getting from there ranking but, compared to last year and this year enough said.  And yes more consistency is needed  5.  Once again talking about change a paste runner Turbin was supposed be that but to be continued I guess...... 

[Trueman]

4 hours ago, Tombstone said:

A 5th round draft pick is your definition of a Prime Draft Pick.  If thats the case then I guess the term of a bust Draft Pick would be someone Drafted what 8th, 9th in the Draft...... 

No. I didn't say a 5th was prime draft capital. 

It's certainly a waste if you use it on Carlos Hyde , though. I'm sure the Browns loved getting 6 million off their cap too. 



 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Fournette must be injured worse than people thought for the Jags to make this move. It's an ok move for them because they are in win now mode but it's not a move where it makes me say, they are now the team to beat the AFC. The Pats and KC both are still better. 

[LockeDown]

After watching Mack against the Jets, I now have a clearer picture of his,  Hines and Turbins roles on the team.  What is Wilkins role now though? He seems like a tweener to me now.  Good vision but he can’t hit the holes like Mack was doing. 

[Lawrence Owen]

9 hours ago, Tombstone said:

Them Darn Jacksonville Jaguars are about to sign Carlos Hide for a 5th Round Draft Pick...  Hell We Could Have Gave Them That....  If Anything He Could Have Been Our Short Yardage Back.  He Has 5 TD 

5th Round Pick That Is 

it would have costed us a 1st rounder to get a RB from the Browns...Or so i'm told.

[Myles]

Great move by the Jags.   Hyde is solid. 

[BleedBlu8792]

14 hours ago, PeterBowman said:

Jax is also in win now mode..... Colts are not

 

Having been beat by more than the Colts have TWICE, especially by 30+ points, suggests otherwise.. 

 

I despise the "win now mode" phrase. It's as if the majority of teams aren't trying to win. I despise it even more when it's used as an excuse (notably from fans) to not try and make our team better. 

[shasta519]

16 hours ago, Trueman said:

Yes, this is what excess skill position players go for on the trade market. 

Why people feel we should invest prime draft capital in such players is beyond me. The evidence is clear. 

Ballard wants us to play and develop our young players. Last I checked, we have 3 drafted RB's on the roster and all of them have had promising moments. We don't need to be moving picks for a player that doesn't move the needle at all long term , and would be blocking the development of Mack, Hines and Wilkins. 

If it was an elite back for that price , I'd think about it. Hyde is just a guy. He wasn't the starter going forward in Cleveland , and he won't be the starter in Jacksonville. 

The reason the Jags traded for him is because their starter is injured , and they're in win-now mode. Picks aren't nearly as valuable to them at this stage of their development. 

Would Hyde be an upgrade? Probably.

Does he make sense for the Colts? No.


 

 

The NFL trade market for mid-tier vets is typically like this. There just isn't much draft value to be gained when trading them...and the receiving team gets a solid player for very little (like in this case).

 

Hopefully at some point, the Colts can take advantage and add an established player on the cheap. But now is not the time. And Hyde doesn't really make sense anyways.

 

But the part about not investing in skill positions I disagree with. 

[shasta519]

9 hours ago, LockeDown said:

After watching Mack against the Jets, I now have a clearer picture of his,  Hines and Turbins roles on the team.  What is Wilkins role now though? He seems like a tweener to me now.  Good vision but he can’t hit the holes like Mack was doing. 

 

Wilkins doens't really have a role with Doyle out. He had some success running in the jumbo formation. And Doyle is now out, so they don't have the blockers for it.

 

He also doesn't seem to be a threat in the passing game, which limits the offense and makes it more predictable.

 

He will have some games left to carve out a role...it's just hard to see it being very big.

[ColtV]

So this is going to sound harsh, but how can so much value be placed on a 5th round pick, when last year's 3rd and 4th round pick provided nothing?

[GoColts8818]

The jags did it because they feel like they could have a Super Bowl season and all the injuries to the running back spot are killing them.  The Colts are much more than a running back away.  Having draft picks is important to a team that is rebuilding and doing it through the draft.  Making a trade for a guy mid-season when you aren’t in the running for a Super Bowl doesn’t make a lot of sense.

 

I also don’t know if it’s a need.  Mack had 99 yards Sunday in his first real action of the season and the Colts left side of the line was doing the best job of run blocking I have seen from a Colts line since maybe the first Super Bowl season.  

 

I’d stay patient and see how these young guys do behind a line that is starting to get healthy.  

[CamMo]

Mack > Hyde. Colts fans are about to recognize. 

[Malakai432]

40 minutes ago, CamMo said:

Mack > Hyde. Colts fans are about to recognize. 

 

He can be if he's 100% for the rest of the season and the OL learns to run block better.  He's the only dynamic potential they have at RB.  While I think Hines and Wilkins are decent for young players, I don't think they really strike fear into any opposing defense at all. 

 

However, a healthy Mack with his dynamic game breaking speed and agility could keep a defense on their toes IF he's healthy and stays that way the rest of the year.