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Who is asking Luck to cover up the holes in the team? Anyone should understands that isnt going to happen. I havent really seen any Luck supporters saying he is going to be awesome next year, he may be ok but the team will not be good. I think 8-8 is absolute best case scenario and to me that is wishful thinking, I say cut that in half.

My honest opinion is we are a 3-5 win team with Luck and an 7-10 win team with Peyton. We just aren't very good alot of places and what we do have is just getting older and more injury prone. Nearly all of our best guys are really old (manning, wayne, clark, freeney, mathis, saturday, brackett, etc)

Peyton took essentially this same team the playoffs and to the Super Bowl. With him, we were a playoff team and a Super Bowl contender. Without him, we are arguably the worst team in the league. Peyton covered up tons of holes, such as a porous defense, and bad coaching

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Irsay stated at the presser that we are not going to be very good for the next 2-3 years.

You do not gut your team and expect to win any time. you have no foundation to build on. Yesterday left a mark on the Colts that will not go away till Irsaydoes. If you don't believe me look around at all the sports. Look at the Chargers. No descent FA will come to this team without a huge guarenteed contract. They're thinking will be like this, if he will cut Peyton after all he did for the franchise, what will he do to me who hasn't done as much and I get hurt.
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Am I wrong on this but will the Colts still draft players after the take Luck?

No you are not, BUT if you want to keep Luck around for more than a 3-4 years, the largest part of your next 2-3 drafts will have to be Offense. That leaves the Defense where?
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No you are not, BUT if you want to keep Luck around for more than a 3-4 years, the largest part of your next 2-3 drafts will have to be Offense. That leaves the Defense where?

I wonder if the Colts will even field a team next year? Do you think they might just forfeit now?

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I wonder if the Colts will even field a team next year? Do you think they might just forfeit now?

Yeah they will trade Luck for the best kicker available and just forfeit. They will also replace the whole coaching staff with Tressel.

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No you are not, BUT if you want to keep Luck around for more than a 3-4 years, the largest part of your next 2-3 drafts will have to be Offense. That leaves the Defense where?

I am pretty sure that they will feel free to draft defensive players too. I do not think that they are going to spend 70% - 80% of their picks for the next 4 years on offense.

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but you would agree that we havent been able to get to the ultimate goal of winning a superbowl more then one time (against offensively challenged team by the way) because of them holes (cant stop the run) crappy corner coverage and or strategy)?

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but you would agree that we havent been able to get to the ultimate goal of winning a superbowl more then one time (against offensively challenged team by the way) because of them holes (cant stop the run) crappy corner coverage and or strategy)?

I agree and I agree the Polians had to go. Am of two minds about coaching staff, but you only gut one area at a time. Besides with what transpired yesterday, Irsay has cut our options down.
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It was time to rebuild a long time ago. We was going nowhere and was going nowhere for a couple of years now. It should have been done a long time ago but it was not the case. Maybe if we started earlier maybe the Colts and Manning would not have departed. But who knows, if that would be the case. I do think things would have gotten worst if we kept the younger Polian in charge and the elder one was going to retire anyways and kept the lifeless coach in Caldwell. Yes things needed be changed in the Colts the system was broken and now its time for a new and better system that will work.

We went to the SB 3 years ago. The next season was full of injuries the one after had no franchise QB

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Nobody has to believe me. but history bears me out. Look at the Rams now and see where they are drafting have drafted in the last few years. Optimism is great, but does not change history.

The Rams have taken 4 Off Players, and 4 Def players in the 1st round since 2004. (9 Def. in the 1st if you go back to 01).

Lets look at the Texans.

Since there 1st ever draft(02) they have taken, 3 Off players 8 Def players.

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With Manning we looked to re-tool every year, filling a hole, drafting a replacement for a player whose contract was going to be up. We always had veterans at certain spots that we could count on.

Last several years, those draft picks haven't exactly been replacing our aging players the way they should, so we end up having to re-sign Mathis because Hughes doesn't pan out. We have to re-sign Addai because Brown wasn't living up to expectations. Gonzo never became the #2, so you have to spend more picks on WR's....

That leads to this- overloaded with veteran contracts that, for whatever stupid reason, expired on the same year. (why would we allow our two starting WR's to have contracts expiring on the same year, seems like a rookie mistake for sure).

Now we are in desperation mode- no more re-tooling around veteran talent- won't have much of that left from what it appears. Just really don't like this scenario-- rookies QB, rookie HC, rookie GM.... too many rookies at too many key positions.

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Peyton took essentially this same team the playoffs and to the Super Bowl. With him, we were a playoff team and a Super Bowl contender. Without him, we are arguably the worst team in the league. Peyton covered up tons of holes, such as a porous defense, and bad coaching

this is my point, we are with him contenders, imagine if we had the 1st picks in every round, we would still rebuild

could have even traded down and gone defensively

who knows

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this is my point, we are with him contenders, imagine if we had the 1st picks in every round, we would still rebuild

could have even traded down and gone defensively

who knows

Well, despite him covering all of those holes, we only have 1 Super Bowl with him to show for it. Bad coaching, a poor running game, and a poor defense are all made bigger in the playoffs when teams focus on every single little detail to get an advantage. It's possible that our defense gets even worse this upcoming year because we are going from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and there are lots of changes with that and lots of questions to figure out

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People need to realize that Irsay wouldn't have done this for Bradford, but Luck is one of the best QB prospects ever and Indy fans should feel blessed to go from Manning to him. Could he never live up to the hype? Of course, but if you watched him in college, you know that's doubtful.

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No you are not, BUT if you want to keep Luck around for more than a 3-4 years, the largest part of your next 2-3 drafts will have to be Offense. That leaves the Defense where?

If you think in order to keep Luck happy that they'll need to have one of the best offenses and a poor defense, you know nothing about the young man. He comes from a run first system where HE was calling plays often times. He cares about winning.

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If you think in order to keep Luck happy that they'll need to have one of the best offenses and a poor defense, you know nothing about the young man. He comes from a run first system where HE was calling plays often times. He cares about winning.

After the Fiesta Bowl, this young man also appreciates the importance of special team play. With the Colts he gets to play along side the GOAT

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If you think in order to keep Luck happy that they'll need to have one of the best offenses and a poor defense, you know nothing about the young man. He comes from a run first system where HE was calling plays often times. He cares about winning.

I was not talking about happy, I was talking about healthy.
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For all of the fans onboard with the rebuild, take a look at last years roster and compare it to the roster of the team that played in the Super Bowl a few years ago, it's pretty much the same players, the difference is they were injured last year, can't anyone distinguish between a team with health issues and a team that lacks talent? There were not many holes on this team ( youth is not a hole) and even if there were, for argument sake, all of them could have been filled and then some , by keeping Peyton ( which should have been a no brainer decision) instead of the letting him go ( which was a no brain decision)............don't fill the holes and draft 1 player

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Well, despite him covering all of those holes, we only have 1 Super Bowl with him to show for it. Bad coaching, a poor running game, and a poor defense are all made bigger in the playoffs when teams focus on every single little detail to get an advantage. It's possible that our defense gets even worse this upcoming year because we are going from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and there are lots of changes with that and lots of questions to figure out

my point exactly,

we finally

have coaching and possibly solid defense , and we get rid of the GOAT

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Maybe it is just me but it seemed time to rebuild. One season was a ten win injury plagued year and the next year was a 2 win injury plagued year. It seemed the coaches were not getting the young players to play at a high level. Chris Polian was transitioning into power and causing internal strife. Bill Polian is getting up in age. It seemed like a good time to remove Chris and get someone who could bring in good players and run a more people friendly front office. It seemed like the time to bring in a new coaching staff that could posibly have ideas that would improve team performance. Lastly an opportunity to draft a player like Andrew does not come around very often. Making all these changes was not easy so I commend Jim Irsay for making the tough decisions to reload moreso than rebuild. Pagano is a coach that wants to win now and I believe he and Grigson will bring in as many good players as the draft and salary cap will allow to win the most games they can in 2012.

i agree jim did the right thing, it will be hard for peyton to compete at his age and injured
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Because there is a thing called the salary cap. Even if Manning came back, I've said this numerous times, this team is not going 14-2 and sweeping the division. Too many holes. With Luck, if we have 1 or 2 losing seasons, its not going to hurt us because we get more picks and the team potentially gets better. If Manning comes back and we have one or two losing seasons, now Manning has wasted 2 seasons chasing another SB when he could get one else where, especially on the back end of his career. Time is precious for him.

Peyton Manning will have 2 wasted seasons anyways...Just wait and see, It'll take a team that long to figure out his "perfection mentality" and by that time it'll be too late...Not to be Mr. Negative about Peyton but when you have an offense that players have got to be in a perfect spot at the perfect time you're going to have some very difficult times figuring things out. Go COLTS!!

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Actually, Pagano is still unknown as a head coach and so is our defense. It's possibly solid, but also possibly worse than before

i know, what is known, pagano cannot be any worse than caldwell,or defense cannot be any worse than last year,

but with having 1st rd picks in every round, possibly moving down,

we could have cleaned up nicely on defense and the o line

im not a g/m just saying, i know no matter how much i keep saying it, nothing will change

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the rebuild is done to prevent consistent loosing, so after one year, fans were upset with a loosing record , so the owner decides to rebuild which could result in sub par season...

This premis is wrong. The rebuild isn't being done to prevent losing games. It's being done because the entire team, offense and defense, was built around Peyton Manning. The previous offense speaks for itself. The defense was built to play with and defend the lead that the offense provided. It was never intended to be a "smash mouth defense" of any kind. "Bend but don't break", remember?

With Manning gone, the rest of the team doesn't work the way it was designed. Other than a few good position players, the team must be totally rebuilt to accommodate the design/scheme developed by the new coaching staff for the new personnel.

Aside from the salary cap mess, this is the reason for rebuild.

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I agree somewhat. Had we reloaded a few years ago we wouldn't have the need for a full rebuild now. I blame the Caldwell promotion on our troubles.

Caldwell is an enigma to me, why would Dungy recommend him for a job he obviously wasn't ready for.

Caldwell didn't do anything wrong, he just didn't do anything.

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Caldwell is an enigma to me, why would Dungy recommend him for a job he obviously wasn't ready for.

Caldwell didn't do anything wrong, he just didn't do anything.

As much as I like Dungy as a man, I gotta answer your question as "nepotism". Same thing as Bill Polian did with his kid. Those guys had reached a level within the organization where they thought they could do little to no wrong. If Jim Irsay is guilty of anything, it's this.

However, Chris Polian as GM did FAR more damage to the Colts than than Jim Caldwell ever did...believe it or not.

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This premis is wrong. The rebuild isn't being done to prevent losing games. It's being done because the entire team, offense and defense, was built around Peyton Manning. The previous offense speaks for itself. The defense was built to play with and defend the lead that the offense provided. It was never intended to be a "smash mouth defense" of any kind. "Bend but don't break", remember?

With Manning gone, the rest of the team doesn't work the way it was designed. Other than a few good position players, the team must be totally rebuilt to accommodate the design/scheme developed by the new coaching staff for the new personnel.

Aside from the salary cap mess, this is the reason for rebuild.

This should sufficiently answer the original posters query.

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just talk objectively for a minute, manning had 1 loosing season, last year was not on him, u cannot make the argument with manning under center we would have another loosing season, we have had many many wholes for many years,

this is what does not make sense

just talk objectively for a minute, manning had 1 loosing season, last year was not on him, u cannot make the argument with manning under center we would have another loosing season, we have had many many wholes for many years,

this is what does not make sense

The ultimate goal is to win a superbowl even with manning this colts team was starting to crumble with drops in production and age being the main factors, it is better to go through 2 average seasons now than to spend the next 10 years looking for the next Peyton to save the franchise and it is with that logic alone that I accept the loss of Manning now. Just ask Miami how painful the wait for the next Marino or Denver who let McDaniels trade away there franchise qb and wr. Irsay decided that with the future tv money rolling in the colts would be in a better position to rebuild and reload on both sides of the ball over the next few yrs than wait for peyton to retire and do it anyway's. As we saw last year the team was destined to fail under the old system, call Irsay what u want but know that his one job as owner is to field a good team with a guy like grigson who helped transition the Eagle's offense. I'll take the loss of the last 4 years of Peyton for hopefully the return to another decade of dominance.

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Peyton Manning will have 2 wasted seasons anyways...Just wait and see, It'll take a team that long to figure out his "perfection mentality" and by that time it'll be too late...Not to be Mr. Negative about Peyton but when you have an offense that players have got to be in a perfect spot at the perfect time you're going to have some very difficult times figuring things out. Go COLTS!!

Peyton Manning will have 2 wasted seasons anyways...Just wait and see, It'll take a team that long to figure out his "perfection mentality" and by that time it'll be too late...Not to be Mr. Negative about Peyton but when you have an offense that players have got to be in a perfect spot at the perfect time you're going to have some very difficult times figuring things out. Go COLTS!!

No Manning just needs to develop the timing with his new receivers as much as I wish Manning would go to Denver, Tenn has the offensive weapons that he would need it's the best spot for Peyton to have a good chance to finish his career strong. Teams change offensive systems sometimes every year just ask jason cambell and alex smith while there are growing pains nothing that a 2 year in the offense wouldn't be able to improve. I am actually looking forward to having to play Peyton twice it will show us what the new coaching staff and Front Office are made. The best example is the Jets who have to face Brady twice and look how they built their defense if we get a defense like that outta of playing Manning then I'll take everything Peyton can throw against us haha

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So like, why can't Manning re-sign here? is there some loophole Polian wrote, some kind of poison pilll.

If Manning gets cut he is never to return. signed in blood.

Like, ring him up and say, hey, lets talk numbers, tell us what the market is and we'll go from there, don'tt ever turn your back on.....ya know. jeez.

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As much as I like Dungy as a man, I gotta answer your question as "nepotism". Same thing as Bill Polian did with his kid. Those guys had reached a level within the organization where they thought they could do little to no wrong. If Jim Irsay is guilty of anything, it's this.

However, Chris Polian as GM did FAR more damage to the Colts than than Jim Caldwell ever did...believe it or not.

ya that is never good, i think caldwell was nepotism at its finest

ps. i dislike LOOsing

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Brown             Northern Iowa  OT          6'9''        321 149.           Nico Collins         Michigan              WR         6'4"        222 150.           Tommy Togiai    Ohio State           DL3T      6'2"        300 151.           JaCoby Stevens LSU        S              6'1''        228 152.           Jordan Smith      UAB       EDGE     6'7"        255 153.           Tyler Vaughns   USC        WR         6'2"        190 154.           Jack Anderson   Texas Tech          OG         6'5"        315 155.           Bobby Brown III Texas A&M         DL1T      6'3"        325 156.           Darren Hall          San Diego State CB           6'0"        190 157.           Donovan Stiner Florida  S              6'1"        203 158.           Wyatt Hubert    Kansas State       EDGE     6'3"        270 159.           Thomas Graham Jr.         Oregon CB           5'10"      193 160.           Shemar Jean-Charles      Appalachian State            CB           5'11"      190 161.           Malik Herring     Georgia DL5T      6'3"        283 162.           Daelin Hayes      Notre Dame       EDGE     6'4"        268 163.           Tommy Kraemer              Notre Dame       OG         6'6"        317 164.           Marco Wilson    Florida  CB           6'0"        190 165.           Trill Williams       Syracuse              CB           6'2'         198 166.           Shaka Toney       Penn State          EDGE     6'3"        243 167.           Jimmy Morrissey              Pitt         OC          6'3"        305 168.           Sam Ehlinger      Texas    QB          6'3"        225 169.           Sadarius Hutcherson      South Carolina   OG         6'4"        320 170.           D.J. Daniel           Georgia CB           6'0''        183 171.           Camryn Bynum Cal          CB           6'0''        198 172.           Jermar Jefferson              Oregon State     RBC        5'9"        215 173.           Jose Borregales Miami (FL)           PK           5'10"      205 174.           Alaric Jackson    Iowa      OT          6'6"        315 175.           Brennan Eagles Texas    WR         6'2"        225 176.           Tommy Doyle    Miami (OH)         OT          6'8''        326 177.           Jonathan Marshall           Arkansas              DL1T      6'3"        317 178.           Shane Buechele SMU      QB          6'1"        207 179.           Joshua Kaindoh Florida State       EDGE     6'7"        261 180.           James Hudson   Cincinnati            OT          6'5"        310 181.           Benjamin St-Juste            Minnesota          CB           6'3"        200 182.           Demetric Felton                UCLA     RBC        5'9"        189 183.           Victor Dimukeje Duke     EDGE     6'2"        265 184.           Xavier Kelly         Arkansas              DL3T      6'4"        305 185.           Kary Vincent Jr. LSU        CB           5'10"      182 186.           Noah Gray           Duke     TE           6'4"        240 187.           Adrian Ealy          Oklahoma           OT          6'6"        327 188.           Michal Menet   Penn State          OC          6'4''        305 189.           Pressley Harvin III            Georgia Tech      P             6'0"        255 190.           Amen Ogbongbemiga    Oklahoma State OLB        6'1"        231 191.           T.J. Vasher          Texas Tech          WR         6'6"        210 192.           Josh Imatorbhebhe         Illinois   WR         6'2"        215 193.           Matt Bushman  BYU        TE           6'5"        245 194.           Stevie Scott        Indiana RB           6'2"        231 195.           Brady Christensen           BYU        OT          6'6''        300 196.           Quintin Morris   Bowling Green  TE           6'4"        248 197.           Riley Patterson Memphis             PK           6'0"        190 198.           Malcolm Koonce              Buffalo EDGE     6'3"        250 199.           Robert Rochell   Central Arkansas              CB           6'0''        195 200.           Ben Mason         Michigan              FB           6'3"        254
    • Trade 1: Miami offer picks No.3, No.18, No.50 and Tua Tagavailova to Texans for DeShaun Watson   Trade 2: WFT offers pick No.19 to NYJ for pick No.34 and Sam Darnold   Trade 3: Carolina offers pick No.8 and pick No.104 to Houston for Tua, pick No.18,  and pick No.113   Trade 4: Indianapolis Colts offer pick No.21 (1st) and pick No.118 (4th) to Las Vegas Raiders for Derek Carr   Trade 5: Tennessee Titans offer Pick No.22, Pick No.53 and Pick No.86 to Denver Broncos for Pick No.9   Trade 6: Las Vegas Raiders offer Pick No.21 and Pick No.145 for Carson Wentz and Pick No.37   Trade 7: Carolina Panthers offer Pick No.113 to Eagles for Zach Ertz   Trade 8: New England Patriots trade Patrick Surtain and a 4th rounder to the Los Angeles Chargers for Jaylen Waddle   Trade 9: Los Angeles Chargers trade Patrick Surtain to Carolina Panthers for pick No.18 and No.73   Trade 10: Cleveland Browns trade Jarvis Landry and Pick No.123 to Chicago Bears for their 3rd round pick No.84   Trade 11: Pittsburgh Steelers trade Pick No.55 (2nd), Pick No.88 (3rd) and Pick No.192 (6th) to Bucs for pick No.32   Trade 12: Houston Texans trade pick No.50, No.100 and No.104 to New Orleans Saints for Marshon Lattimore   Round 1   1.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson 2.  NY Jets (2-14) - Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State 3.  Houston from Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU 4.  Atlanta (4-12) - Penei Sowell, OT, Oregon 5.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - JaMarr Chase, WR, LSU 6.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State 7.  Detroit (5-11) - Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State 8.  Houston from Carolina (5-11) - DaVonta Smith, WR, Alabama 9.  Titans from Denver (5-11) - Kwity Paye, DE, Michigan 10.  Dallas (6-10) - Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern 11.  NY Giants (6-10) - Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida 12.  San Francisco (6-10) - Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech 13.  New England from LA Chargers (7-9) - Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama 14.  Minnesota (7-9) - Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami 15.  Carolina from LA Chargers from New England (7-9) - Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama 16.  Arizona (8-8) - Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina 17.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Jaelen Philips, EDGE, Miami 18.  Chargers from Carolina from Houston from Miami (10-6) - Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue 19.  NY Jets From WFT* (7-9) - Najee Harris RB Alabama 20.  Chicago* (8-8) - Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 21.  Philadelphia from Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) - Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota 22.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech 23.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Zaven Collins, OLB/DE, Tulsa 24.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Jalen Mayfield, OT, Michigan 25.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trevon Moehring, S, TCU 26.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame 27.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida 28.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh 29.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Terrance Marshall, WR, LSU 30.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State 31.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Wyatt Davis, OG/C, Ohio State 32.  Pittsburgh from Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Mac Jones, QB, Alabama   Houston -> Miami: For Laremy Tunsil Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Carolina -> Houston: For Tua LA Rams -> Jacksonville: For Jalen Ramsey Seattle -> NY Jets: For Jamal Adams WFT -> NY Jets For Sam Darnold Indianapolis -> Las Vegas For Derek Carr Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Las Vegas -> Philadelphia for Carson Wentz New England -> Chargers for Jaylen Waddle Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 2   33.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Sam Cosmi, OT, Texas 34.  WFT From NY Jets (2-14) - Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama 35.  Atlanta (4-12) - Creed Humphrey, OG, Oklahoma 36.  Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson 37.  Las Vegas From Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State 38.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Christian Barmore, DL, Alabama 39.  Carolina (5-11) - Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame 40.  Denver (5-11) - Jayson Oweh, DE, Penn State 41.  Detroit (5-11) - Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss 42.  NY Giants (6-10) - Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State 43.  San Francisco (6-10) - Jevon Holland, S, Oregon 44.  Dallas (6-10) - Jay Tufele, DT, USC 45.  Jacksonville - from Minnesota (7-9) - Jackson Carmon, OT, Clemson 46.  New England (7-9) - Joseph Ossai, EDGE/OLB, Texas 47.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Dillon Radunz, OT, North Dakota State 48.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri 49.  Arizona (8-8) - Walker Little, OT, Stanford 50.  New Orleans From Houston from Miami (10-6) - Dylan Moses, LB, Alabama 51.  WFT* (7-9) - Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State 52.  Chicago* (8-8) - Kyle Trask, QB, Florida 53.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Jabril Cox, LB, LSU 54.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington 55.  Tampa Bay  from Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest 56.  Seattle* (12-4) - Brady Christiansen, OT, BYU 57.  LA Rams* (10-6) - Landon Dickerson, C, Alabama 58.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, Georgia 59.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Richie Grant, Safety, UCF 60.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern 61.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Ronnie Perkins, EDGE, Oklahoma 62.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa 63.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Josh Myers, C, Ohio State 64.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia   Houston -> Miami: Laremy Tunsil Minnesota -> Jacksonville: Yannick Ngakoue NY Jets -> WFT in Sam Darnold trade Philadelphia -> Las Vegas in Carson Wentz trade Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Houston -> New Orleans For Marshon Lattimore Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 3   65.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Tyler Shelvin, DL, LSU 66.  NY Jets (2-14) - Marquez Stevenson, WR, Houston 67.  Houston (4-12) - Trey Sermon, RB, Ohio State 68.  Atlanta (4-12) - Marvin Wilson, DL, FSU 69.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati 70.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB, Syracuse 71.  Denver (5-11) - Elijah Molden, CB, Washington 72.  Detroit (5-11) - Alim McNeil, DL, NC State 73.  Los Angeles Chargers From Carolina (5-11) - Shaun Wade, CB, Ohio State 74.  WFT - from San Francisco (6-10) - Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC 75.  Dallas (6-10) - Aaron Robinson, CB, Central Florida 76.  NY Giants (6-10) - Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford 77.  New England (7-9) - Jamie Newman, QB, Georgia 78.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Rashad Weaver, DE, Pittsburgh 79.  Minnesota (7-9) - Osa Odighizuwa, DT, UCLA 80.  Arizona (8-8) - Payton Turner, DE, Houston 81.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Hamsah Nasirldeen, S, FSU 82.  Miami (10-6) - Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State 83.  WFT* (7-9) - Deonte Brown, OG, Alabama 84.  Cleveland From Chicago* (8-8) - Joe Tryon, DE, Washington 85.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Jordan Smith, DE, UAB 86.  Denver From Tennessee* (11-5) - Ar'Darius Washington, S, TCU 87.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse 88.  Tampa Bay From Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Camerone McGrone, LB, Michigan 89.  Detroit - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trey Smith, OG, Tennessee 90.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Shakur Brown, CB, Michigan State 91.  Minnesota - from Baltimore* (11-5) - Ben Cleveland, OG, Georgia 92.  Cleveland - from New Orleans* (12-4) - D’Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Michigan 93.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Chazz Surratt, OLB, North Carolina 94.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia 95.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Jaelon Darden, WR, North Texas 96.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Israel Mukumanu, CB, South Carolina   Baltimore -> Minnesota: Yannick Ngakoue LA Rams -> Detroit: Matthew Stafford New England stripped of draft pick because of Spygate II New Orleans -> Cleveland: 2020 picks San Francisco -> Washington: Trent Williams Seattle -> NY Jets: Jamal Adams Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Chicago -> Cleveland in Jarvis Landry trade Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 4 97.   Jacksonville (1-15) - Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina 98.   NY Jets (2-14) - Chubba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State 99.   Atlanta (4-12) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh 100.  New Orleans from Houston (4-12) - Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina 101.  Cleveland - from Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Hamilcar Rashed, EDGE, Oregon 102.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Tutu Atwell, WR, Louisville 103.  Detroit (5-11) - Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC 104.  New Orleans from Houston from Carolina (5-11) - Jamien Sherwood, S, Auburn 105.  Denver (5-11) - Quinn Meinerz, OG/OC , Wisconsin - Whitewater 106.  Dallas (6-10) - Jaylen Twyman DT, Pitt 107.  NY Giants (6-10) - Marlon Williams, WR, UCF 108.  San Francisco (6-10) - Aaron Banks, OG, Notre Dame 109.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State 110.  Minnesota (7-9 Divine Deablo, S, VA Tech 111.  LA Chargers from New England (7-9) -- Kendrick Green, Univ. of Illinois 112.  Las Vegas from Miami - from Las Vegas (8-8) -- Amari Rogers, WR, Clemson 113.  Eagles from Carolina from Houston - from Arizona (8-8) -- Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR, Illinois 114.  Miami (10-6) -- Quincy Roche, DE, Miami  115.  WFT* (7-9) -- Sage Surratt, WR, Wake Forest 116.  Minnesota - from Chicago* (8-8) - Spencer Brown, OT, UNI 117.  Tennessee* (11-5) 118.  Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) 119.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) 120.  Seattle* (12-4) 121.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) 122.  Baltimore* (11-5) 123.  Chicago from Cleveland* (11-5) 124.  New Orleans* (12-4) 125.  Minnesota - from Buffalo* (13-3) 126.  Green Bay* (13-3) 127.  Kansas City* (14-2) 128.  Tampa Bay* (11-5)     Arizona -> Houston: De'Andre Hopkins Buffalo -> Minnesota: Stefon Diggs Chicago -> Minnesota: 2020 picks LA Rams -> Jacksonville: Jalen Ramsey Philadelphia -> Cleveland: Genard Avery Las Vegas -> Miami: Raekwon McMillan Miami -> Las Vegas: Lynn Bowden Jr. Carolina -> Houston: Tua trade Houston -> Carolina: Tua trade Carolina -> Eagles: Zach Ertz trade Indianapolis -> Las Vegas: Carr trade New England -> LA Chargers: Patrick Surtain Cleveland -> Chicago: Jarvis Landry trade Houston -> New Orleans: Lattimore trade
    • I'd say Brevin Jordan, TE from Miami, mainly because Jonnu Smith and Corey Davis are FAs, and all top 10 WRs are gone but a top 5 TE is still on the board, IMO.   We have had ONLY 2 TEs drafted (versus 20 WRs) and we are into the middle of Round 4.  
    • This Wentz is pretty damn good
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