Khalil Mack to the Bears

[oldunclemark]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

I doubt that.   Even if it did,   you're giving up the future.   The only way a trade like this makes sense is if you are on the cusp of winning the Superbowl.  The colts aren't,  and neither are the bears

I dont care about the future.....we have Andrew Luck now the future is not ours to know

If you make the playoffs,..you are on the cusp..We'd make the playoffs with Mack, right?

 

I'm not interested in 2020

[21isSuperman]

Last year, the Bears were a top 10 overall defense, top 10 scoring defense, and top 10 in sacks.  Now add Khalil Mack to that

[oldunclemark]

6 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Both teams are bad. To me this changes nothing. These are very similar teams with similar talent levels etc. To me this will come down to which GM executes their plan best. In the fact end I think this changes nothing.

One thing we can all agree on is: This does change things for Oakland and the Bears

[w87r]

Just now, 21isSuperman said:

Last year, the Bears were a top 10 overall defense, top 10 scoring defense, and top 10 in sacks.  Now add Khalil Mack to that

And Roquan Smith

[DougDew]

10 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

I guess it depends on what they do with the first round picks they're getting in return, but what are the chances they find someone with Mack's talent with either one of those picks?  They also have the luxury of having their QB on a rookie deal, so they can use that extra cap space to surround him with talent on both sides of the ball.  The Bears have a pretty solid defense built up.  It depends on how Trubisky develops going into his 2nd year.

 

Makes me that much happier the Colts didn't hire him.  As much as I like him as a coach and think his Xs and Os knowledge is off the charts, his personnel decisions this offseason have been extremely puzzling.

I don't know Gruden's philosophy about defense, but I'm pretty sure he believes the QB should be the leader of the entire team and clearly the Star of it with the highest paycheck.  I think that's one reason why he values QBs so much and always liked the Manning Colts.

 

He might just feel that positional players aren't worth the money, especially if they get a hammy, an elbow, or a knee and they're on the bench or less than a 100% for a few games of the season.

[jvan1973]

Just now, oldunclemark said:

I dont care about the future.....we have Andrew Luck now the future is not ours to know

If you make the playoffs,..you are on the cusp..We'd make the playoffs with Mack, right?

 

I'm not interested in 2020

You can't have 2 players eating up over 40 million in cap space.   Stumbling into the playoffs doesn't put you on the cusp.  Did anyone think the bills had a chance to win the Superbowl last year? Does anyone think they have a chance this year? The colts are at least 2 years away.   So,   2020 is very important,  whether you care about it or not.   

 

Another dumb move by the bears

[ColtsBlueFL]

Just now, oldunclemark said:

I dont care about the future.....we have Andrew Luck now the future is not ours to know

If you make the playoffs,..you are on the cusp..We'd make the playoffs with Mack, right?

 

Hmmm... Texans scored 35 points a game with Watson until he got hurt, and lost D stars.  Jax has the best D and Bortles matured (and I think melts down a little less this year) and he also got the respect of the team (shows leadership skills).  If he becomes Tyrod Taylor -esque this year, then we'll have a hard time to get to 8-8 IMHO, let alone a wildcard spot.  Just my

 

Just now, oldunclemark said:

I'm not interested in 2020

 

[oldunclemark]

2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

You can't have 2 players eating up over 40 million in cap space.   Stumbling into the playoffs doesn't put you on the cusp.  Did anyone think the bills had a chance to win the Superbowl last year? Does anyone think they have a chance this year? The colts are at least 2 years away.   So,   2020 is very important,  whether you care about it or not.   

 

Another dumb move by the bears

Pretty soon everybody I going to have 2 players eating up $40 mil in cap space...

Youre going to have to get over that

We're not Buffalo,..,we have Andrew Luck..we don't know we have him in 2020.

 

Eventually you have to make a move. or you are ALWAYS planning for the future

Itys a blueprint for losing

If you always planning 2 years ahead..you're always losing in the present.

Im not okay with that

 

 

 

[oldunclemark]

5 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Hmmm... Texans scored 35 points a game with Watson until he got hurt, and lost D stars.  Jax has the best D and Bortles matured (and I think melts down a little less this year) and he also got the respect of the team (shows leadership skills).  If he becomes Tyrod Taylor -esque this year, then we'll have a hard time to get to 8-8 IMHO, let alone a wildcard spot.  Just my

 

 

I hear you. You have a much higher opinion of Jacksonville than I do

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

Pretty soon everybody I going to have 2 players eating up $40 mil in cap space...

Youre going to have to get over that

We're not Buffalo,..,we have Andrew Luck..we don't know we have him in 2020.

 

Eventually you have to make a move. or you are ALWAYS planning for the future

Itys a blueprint for losing

If you always planning 2 years ahead..you're always losing in the present.

Im not okay with that

 

 

 

Seems to work for the patriots.  How many panic moves do they make??

[PeterBowman]

Here's the thing I'm ok with about not getting Mack.....the Colts aren't a player short of being a contender....they're still most likely a year or 2 off of being a consistent long term contender (unless the youngsters develope quicker than expected)....right player but wrong time.

[oldunclemark]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

Seems to work for the patriots.  How many panic moves do they make??

Pats live for today...because they have Brady

We have Luck....Lets do the same.

Getting an all-pro linebacker for picks would not be a panic move, in my opinion.

2020 is not promised....to the Colts. Just like 2017 wasn't.

[ColtsBlueFL]

20 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

I'd have made this deal.....the Colts seem comfortable with waiting on youth and future drafts...I'm not

 

I wouldn't have Gruden as HC, nor would I have given up 2 first round picks for Mack.  So I sit here in anticipation for the future build.

[oldunclemark]

1 minute ago, PeterBowman said:

Here's the thing I'm ok with about not getting Mack.....the Colts aren't a player short of being a contender....they're still most likely a year or 2 off of being a consistent long term contender (unless the youngsters develope quicker than expected)....right player but wrong time.

Live for today.....make the playoffs now...if you can

This planning for 2 years from now.....thats so Cleveland.

We don't have to do that because we have Luck

Edited September 1, 2018 by oldunclemark

[jvan1973]

Just now, oldunclemark said:

Pats live for today...because they have Brady

We have Luck....Lets do the same.

Getting an all-pro linebacker for picks would not be a panic move, in my opinion.

2020 is not promised....to the Colts. Just like 2017 wasn't.

 The pats don't sign high dollar free agents.   They build through the draft and pick up an occasional mid tier free agent

[oldunclemark]

1 minute ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

I wouldn't have Gruden as HC, nor would I have given up 2 first round picks for Mack.  So I sit here in anticipation for the future build.

I wanted Mack...not Gruden..

[oldunclemark]

4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

 The pats don't sign high dollar free agents.   They build through the draft and pick up an occasional mid tier free agent

Short memory 'J'?

 

Albert Haynesworth..It was a trade but he got paid by NE

 

..and there's no sure formula for winning. You do it the way you can

Eagles did..Broncos did......all differently

[PrincetonTiger]

3 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

I wouldn't have Gruden as HC, nor would I have given up 2 first round picks for Mack.  So I sit here in anticipation for the future build.

I like Gruden but I might be wearing Rose Colored Glasses since he helped get Ken Dilger a SB ring

[jvan1973]

Just now, oldunclemark said:

Short memory 'J'?

 

Albert Haynesworth

Exactly,   how did that work out.   Thanks for making my point

[PrincetonTiger]

3 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

 The pats don't sign high dollar free agents.   They build through the draft and pick up an occasional mid tier free agent

They go after guys who fit their system

[jvan1973]

2 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

Short memory 'J'?

 

Albert Haynesworth..It was a trade but he got paid by NE

 

..and there's no sure formula for winning. You do it the way you can

Eagles did..Broncos did......all differently

He lasted 4 months on the team before they cut him.  Didn't finish 1 season in New England.   

[oldunclemark]

5 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Exactly,   how did that work out.   Thanks for making my point

But they do sign free agents....everybody does

I know a team that signed a High dollar free agent and went to 2 Super Bowls...

we know him well

3 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

He lasted 4 months on the team before they cut him.  Didn't finish 1 season in New England.   

But they tried it...most teams do when they're trying to win now.

I'm not on your bus...I just want us to try..we have the money..we have the cap space

 

Edited September 1, 2018 by oldunclemark

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

But they do sign free agents....everybody does

I know a team that signed a High dollar free agent and went to 2 Super Bowls...

But they tried it...most teams do when they're trying to win now

They paid Haynesworth 1.5 million dollars.   Not exactly a huge amount.   The redskins paid him the big money.   

[ColtsBlueFL]

21 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

(snip)

 

Eventually you have to make a move. or you are ALWAYS planning for the future

Itys a blueprint for losing

If you always planning 2 years ahead..you're always losing in the present.

Im not okay with that

Pats (with Brady) trade away or release plenty of good players planning for their future.  Just ask-
 

Ty Law
Mike Vrabel
Lawyer Malloy
Logan Mankins
Richard Seymour
Wes Welker
Malcolm Butler
Jamie Collins
Chandler Jones
Brandin Cooks

[oldunclemark]

11 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

They paid Haynesworth 1.5 million dollars.   Not exactly a huge amount.   The redskins paid him the big money.   

How abut Adalis Thomas?...Leigh Bodden..rememeber ? ….everybody tries    I'm just saying that we should to...

I dont like Jacksonville….but even without a proven QB

...they signed 12 mil free agent DE Calais Campbell..?

 

Was that a bad thing?

[oldunclemark]

7 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

Pats (with Brady) trade away or release plenty of good players planning for their future.  Just ask-
 

Ty Law
Mike Vrabel
Lawyer Malloy
Logan Mankins
Richard Seymour
Wes Welker
Malcolm Butler
Jamie Collins
Chandler Jones
Brandin Cooks

The future for NE is always this year with Brady.... 

The Pats traded Jimmy G to SF....I dont want to emulate that kind of planning

 

Lets get back to the Colts.

You didn't think Mack could help us. It was just 2 No. 1s.

Bears still keep all their other choices.

 

..and we had more picks to give than the Bears did.

 

[jvan1973]

3 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

The future for NE is always this year with Brady.... 

The Pats traded Jimmy G to SF....I dont want to emulate that kind of planning

 

Lets get back to the Colts.

You didn't think Mack could help us

 

Sure he could.   But not for 2 1sts and 25 million a year.  

[oldunclemark]

  KC gave up 2 No. 1s for the chance to get Mahomes……

 Bears traded 2 No.1s for the chance to get Trubisky...

 

Is Mack better than Trubisky and Mahomes,.....?

See what I mean?

Edited September 1, 2018 by oldunclemark
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[oldunclemark]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

Sure he could.   But not for 2 1sts and 25 million a year.  

We just disagree.....$25 mil is a ton agreed.....but I dont  think we get a guy equal to Mack in the next year's draft....do you?

I want to make the playoff this season...with Luck in his prime years.

..and we have the cap space...….

…..We passed.....but eventually we have to jump on somebody

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

We just disagree.....$25 mil is a ton agreed.....but I dont  think we get a guy equal to Mack in the next year's draft....do you?

I want to make the playoff this season...with Luck in his prime years.

..and we have the cap space...….

…..We passed.....but eventually we have to jump on somebody

With two first round players and 25 million in cap space they can address multiple positions.   This team needs help everywhere.   They aren't 1 pass rusher away from winning the division

[jvan1973]

8 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

  KC gave up 2 No. 1 for the chance to get Mahomes……

 Bears traded 2 No.1s for the chance to get Trubisky...

 

Is Mack better than Trubisky and Mahomes,.....?

See what I mean?

Neither the chiefs or bears traded 2 1sts for those guys.   Check your facts

[ColtsBlueFL]

16 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

Lets get back to the Colts.

You didn't think Mack could help us

 

 

Possibly short term but long? We would still need help.  Would you trade Quenton Nelson and Malik Hooker for Mack today?  These types are our future #1's...  that we forfeit to get Mack.

 

11 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

  KC gave up 2 No. 1 for the chance to get Mahomes……

 Bears traded 2 No.1s for the chance to get Trubisky...

 

Is Mack better than Trubisky and Mahomes,.....?

See what I mean?

 

 I think the QB position touching the ball almost ever offensive down is still mopre important (by a small margin) than an Edge DE/OLB.

 

Bears dealt a 1, 3, and 4 for Mitchell, yes?

 

I'll look for Mahomes...

[oldunclemark]

Bears staring linebackers are Leonard Floyd, Danny Trevethan, Roquan Smith and Kahlil Mack.

 

Like Mike Singletary used to say  "I like that kinda party!!"

[Architects08]

Well damn, 2 1sts is a lot to give up but those type of players are extremely rare. Mack would have been awesome with the Shoe.

 

At least we have Turay 

[jvan1973]

5 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Possibly short term but long? We would still need help.  Would you trade Quenton Nelson and Malik Hooker for Mack today?  These types are our future #1's...  that we forfeit to get Mack.

 

 

 I think the QB position touching the ball almost ever offensive down is still mopre important (by a small margin) than an Edge DE/OLB.

 

Bears dealt a 1, 3, and 4 for Mitchell, yes?

 

I'll look for Mahomes...

The bears swapped firsts.  They didn't give up a first

[ColtsBlueFL]

18 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

Lets get back to the Colts.

You didn't think Mack could help us

 

He improves the D, but not to a level where we need it.  We also need to be sure we get the offense to where we have the lead late, and other teams must pass to catch up.  Luck is Rusty, there's no wideout threat beyond T.Y., and I don't trust the D to keep other teams off the board yet.  Until I know these answers, I'm OK not giving away two #1's plus for Mack. 

 

We don't agree, I'll leave it there.

[oldunclemark]

9 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Neither the chiefs or bears traded 2 1sts for those guys.   Check your facts

Check yours.  You're half right.

The Bears traded four picks for the No. 2 overall to get Trubisky

.... only one No.1  but two 3s and a 4.

But KC did deal their 2017 and 2018 No.1s and a '4'...for the right to pick Mahomes

 

For unproven players....not an all-pro...

[aaron11]

5 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

  Would you trade Quenton Nelson and Malik Hooker for Mack today? 

 

it would be tempting.  it depends on what macks contract is going to be 

[PrincetonTiger]

Just now, oldunclemark said:

True.

The Bears traded four picks for the No. 2 overall to get Trubisky

.... only one No.1  but two 3s and a 4.

 

For an unproven player....not an all-pro...

 The future face of the franchise and the person who might put people in the seats

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

True.

The Bears traded four picks for the No. 2 overall to get Trubisky

.... only one No.1  but two 3s and a 4.

 

For an unproven player....not an all-pro...

They didn't give up a first.   They swapped firsts. The bears used the first on trubisky

2 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

it would be tempting.  it depends on what macks contract is going to be 

About 6 years 130 million