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wow..TK.....so what you're saying is: This whole thread is irrelevant???

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Quincy could not sniff the field last season, and it seems like people are giving him the benefit of the doubt. Blaming Pagano and the coaching staff for inept player development. I am not buying this

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He is good at playing man-to-man on a receiver, and is physical with ball-carriers, as we saw last night, but we already knew that.

 

We also already knew he has some work to do playing in zone.

 

So considering he started, and even though he allowed a few catches in zone coverage, he quickly tackled the receiver (which is vital for zone corners), I'd say he did about how we expected.  He was solid.  Didn't make any big plays, but didn't allow any either.  :dunno:

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Limiting the big plays and tackling the receiver to not allow YAC are expectations of a zone corner.  I'm not sure how much sticky coverage and ball contesting is expected, relative to a man-corner, who can get burned big for YAC or big yardage.

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6 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Limiting the big plays and tackling the receiver to not allow YAC are expectations of a zone corner.  I'm not sure how much sticky coverage and ball contesting is expected, relative to a man-corner, who can get burned big for YAC or big yardage.

Ideally you want the CB to react quickly enough to get the the receiver when the ball gets there to either make a play on the ball or hit the receiver and hopefully jar the ball loose.  But secondarily yes and long as he gets there and stops the yac then it's not a bad defensive play.

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As he gets more and more comfortable, he will start breaking on the ball faster. Maybe, the return of Geathers and Hooker should help with him playing the ball more than just the receiver, knowing he can trust the safeties to not let things get by if he does break early or make a mistake, assuming he communicates with them well.

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50 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

He is good at playing man-to-man on a receiver, and is physical with ball-carriers, as we saw last night, but we already knew that.

 

We also already knew he has some work to do playing in zone.

 

So considering he started, and even though he allowed a few catches in zone coverage, he quickly tackled the receiver (which is vital for zone corners), I'd say he did about how we expected.  He was solid.  Didn't make any big plays, but didn't allow any either.  :dunno:

If the standards for your second round pick are to not screw anything up, not give up any big plays, and to not make any individual plays, than Q will be just fine in our defense. I just expect a lot more out of a second round pick. Maybe he isn't a bust, just a let down from his draft selection. Maybe like Rob Morris. All things considered, Morris was a decent player for the Colts, just didn't live up to the 1st round expectations

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On 8/7/2018 at 8:27 AM, SteelCityColt said:

 

Don’t be deliberately obtuse, people were not high on the Wayne pick after his first season, that’s the relevance. The point wasn’t Wilson will be a HOF player more that it’s too soon to write a draftee off after a season. 

 

You ignore any form of evidenced challenge to your view point and continue to just post diatribec opinion. 

 

If you really think he’s a bust, break down his play from last year (yes he saw the field) and show us the X and Os reasoning, or compare his stats to other 1st CBs who saw limited time and look at their career trajectories for comparison.

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15 hours ago, shastamasta said:

Not all that high on Wilson, but it's way too early to make any judgements on him in this defense. I think there were definitely better zone CBs in this past draft...possibly even some that didn't even get drafted.

Something I don't understand.  Did Ballard draft Wilson knowing he was going to switch to Tampa style zone defense, or were the expectations that Wilson was going to be a man corner like Vontae (VD didn't play zone scheme all that well).

 

Some have suggested that Ballard has been drafting for the switch all along, but the Wilson pick would seem to not support that theory.

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Something I don't understand.  Did Ballard draft Wilson knowing he was going to switch to Tampa style zone defense, or were the expectations that Wilson was going to be a man corner like Vontae (VD didn't play zone scheme all that well).

 

Some have suggested that Ballard has been drafting for the switch all along, but the Wilson pick would seem to not support that theory.

 

I haven't researched Wilson strength/weaknesses.  Sometimes i just read what people here post about players (other times I research).  I can say with relatively high certainty, Eberflus will not just run a 4-3 Cover 2 zone all the time.  There will be Nickel, Big Nickel, Dime etc... sometimes with man, other times zone, and maybe even combo man/zone combo concepts.  You will not see this too much in the pre-season, or before guys learn their responsibilities in them, though. Keeping it simple (no thinking, reading) is foremost, so players can just react and play fast.

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On 8/11/2018 at 8:19 AM, DougDew said:

Something I don't understand.  Did Ballard draft Wilson knowing he was going to switch to Tampa style zone defense, or were the expectations that Wilson was going to be a man corner like Vontae (VD didn't play zone scheme all that well).

 

Some have suggested that Ballard has been drafting for the switch all along, but the Wilson pick would seem to not support that theory.

 

I think Ballard thought Wilson would fit either scheme. 

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On 8/11/2018 at 5:19 AM, DougDew said:

Something I don't understand.  Did Ballard draft Wilson knowing he was going to switch to Tampa style zone defense, or were the expectations that Wilson was going to be a man corner like Vontae (VD didn't play zone scheme all that well).

 

Some have suggested that Ballard has been drafting for the switch all along, but the Wilson pick would seem to not support that theory.

 

Ballard drafted Wilson with an eye on the future.

 

You don't have to take my word on it.     Here is ESPN.com's player profile and you can see clearly in the writing,  that Wilson has excelled in press coverage AND zone.

 

http://insider.espn.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/52097

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