Are we going to a RPO system.

[Farns01]

Just saw a good presentation of the RPO system on the NFL network.  Won’t go into details but they said the best run system was Doug Peterson at Philly.  They expect Reich to bring those concepts here.   They expect RPO the new “thing” for the near future.

[PrincetonTiger]

3 minutes ago, Farns01 said:

Just saw a good presentation of the RPO system on the NFL network.  Won’t go into details but they said the best run system was Doug Peterson at Philly.  They expect Reich to bring those concepts here.   They expect RPO the new “thing” for the near future.

It will depend on personnel 

[Jason_]

1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:

It will depend on personnel 

 

I kinda doubt that.  RPO unless I'm mistaken is Run/Pass option.  It's a run play called but if the QB likes a matchup he see in coverage then he pulls the all down back from the RB and throws it.  

 

A lot of teams have already incorporated these concepts into their offense.  I wouldn't call it a "scheme" so I dont' think it would be dependent at all on personnel...it's more about individual matchups from play to play. We're not talking about the Read Option...at least as far as I know.

[krunk]

We most definitely are doing RPO.   Joe Haeg said the system Reich is implementing does way more RPO than Chuds system. Wouldn't call it an RPO system but we will be doing more RPO in this offense.

[PrincetonTiger]

29 minutes ago, J@son said:

 

I kinda doubt that.  RPO unless I'm mistaken is Run/Pass option.  It's a run play called but if the QB likes a matchup he see in coverage then he pulls the all down back from the RB and throws it.  

 

A lot of teams have already incorporated these concepts into their offense.  I wouldn't call it a "scheme" so I dont' think it would be dependent at all on personnel...it's more about individual matchups from play to play. We're not talking about the Read Option...at least as far as I know.

Yes  

  

[pgt_rob]

39 minutes ago, krunk said:

We most definitely are doing RPO.   Joe Haeg said the system does way more RPO than Chuds system.

 

I remember seeing a lot of guys complaining that we never do enough of it. Which I agree. It seems to open things up for us when Luck has the option to hand the ball or pass it really quick throwing the defense off. Hopefully we can master that.

[krunk]

2 minutes ago, pgt_rob said:

 

I remember seeing a lot of guys complaining that we never do enough of it. Which I agree. It seems to open things up for us when Luck has the option to hand the ball or pass it really quick throwing the defense off. Hopefully we can master that.

I think it will work very well for us.

[chad72]

Matt Nagy (or Andy Reid) with the Chiefs, Lefleur with Falcons and Rams (or Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, depends on who you want to give the credit to), Frank Reich (or Doug Pederson, going back to Chip Kelly) have all incorporated some form of it. I expect the Bears and Titans to do it too this year more.

 

Like the article above (here is the you tube link below), the RB, if he does not get the hand off, has to get the heck out of the way.  

 

 

 

 

[PrincetonTiger]

5 minutes ago, chad72 said:

Matt Nagy (or Andy Reid) with the Chiefs, Lefleur with Falcons and Rams (or Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, depends on who you want to give the credit to), Frank Reich (or Doug Pederson, going back to Chip Kelly) have all incorporated some form of it. I expect the Bears and Titans to do it too this year more.

 

Like the article above (here is the you tube link below), the RB, if he does not get the hand off, has to get the heck out of the way.  

 

 

 

 

That is one reason I said what I did

    

[pgt_rob]

23 minutes ago, krunk said:

I think it will work very well for us.

 

I agree. I think the only "personnel" needed for this type of play is a semi-decent O-Line in my opinion. If Luck has more than 2-3 seconds to go through the motion, we may be okay. With our O-Line now, I'm fairly confident this will work for us too.

[chad72]

7 minutes ago, pgt_rob said:

 

I agree. I think the only "personnel" needed for this type of play is a semi-decent O-Line in my opinion. If Luck has more than 2-3 seconds to go through the motion, we may be okay. With our O-Line now, I'm fairly confident this will work for us too.

 

You also need an RB that is versatile that can run between the tackles, and run the wheel routes and slants for you for teams to honor his speed for quicker rotation on the part of the D to commit quickly.

 

In the NFL, more than 3 seconds is a luxury most teams do not have. Along those lines, OL is mighty important to not have someone in your face in 2 seconds to make the quick reads to run the RPO plays. The RPO will also lend to roll outs for the QB naturally.

[krunk]

11 minutes ago, pgt_rob said:

 

I agree. I think the only "personnel" needed for this type of play is a semi-decent O-Line in my opinion. If Luck has more than 2-3 seconds to go through the motion, we may be okay. With our O-Line now, I'm fairly confident this will work for us too.

When we do it he'll be making a quick read and a quick throw in most cases. I also like that we'll be running the football quite a bit in this offense which makes the play fakes and what not even more effective.

[Valpo2004]

12 minutes ago, pgt_rob said:

 

I agree. I think the only "personnel" needed for this type of play is a semi-decent O-Line in my opinion. If Luck has more than 2-3 seconds to go through the motion, we may be okay. With our O-Line now, I'm fairly confident this will work for us too.

 

From my reading on the RPO the OL has to be very disciplined.  If an OL is more then 1 yard in front of the line of scrimmage then it's an illegal man down field.  That's very difficult to do when you don't know if you are run blocking or pass blocking.  

[PrincetonTiger]

6 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

You also need an RB that is versatile that can run between the tackles, and run the wheel routes and slants for you for teams to honor his speed for quicker rotation on the part of the D to commit quickly.

 

In the NFL, more than 3 seconds is a luxury most teams do not have. Along those lines, OL is mighty important to not have someone in your face in 2 seconds to make the quick reads to run the RPO plays. The RPO will also lend to roll outs for the QB naturally.

Great chemistry between the QB, RB, and OL

[krunk]

6 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

From my reading on the RPO the OL has to be very disciplined.  If an OL is more then 1 yard in front of the line of scrimmage then it's an illegal man down field.  That's very difficult to do when you don't know if you are run blocking or pass blocking.  

Kind of like the second Eagles video in this article where the center runs past the LOS during a pass play to block the linebacker.  Didn't get called for the flag though.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/2/12/17003364/run-pass-options-nfl-college-rules

[Coffeedrinker]

Didn't Peyton do an RPO offense for years?  The difference is he made his decision presnap instead of after the snap.

[lollygagger8]

[dodsworth]

Watching the metamorphosis of this offense this year is going 

to be a pleasant thing to behold.

[dodsworth]

The good thing about the RPO system is that Belicheck won't

be able to cheat, even if he video tapes or not. 

[Four2itus]

1 hour ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Didn't Peyton do an RPO offense for years?  The difference is he made his decision presnap instead of after the snap.

Thats what I thought....

[chad72]

3 minutes ago, dodsworth said:

The good thing about the RPO system is that Belicheck won't

be able to cheat, even if he video tapes or not. 

 

You still have to run a fake walk through before the SB though, like the Eagles did. 

[chad72]

1 hour ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Didn't Peyton do an RPO offense for years?  The difference is he made his decision presnap instead of after the snap.

 

True. But OL were a different breed then compared to coming from a spread system in more places now. Increased incorporation of RPOs is the NFL acknowledgement of the spread permeation, IMO.

 

But then, how many Peyton Mannings come along anyways?  

[shasta519]

Yes, they will be implementing RPO and more zone blocking runs.

[shasta519]

2 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

From my reading on the RPO the OL has to be very disciplined.  If an OL is more then 1 yard in front of the line of scrimmage then it's an illegal man down field.  That's very difficult to do when you don't know if you are run blocking or pass blocking.  

 

The ability to pull is paramount. Nelson and Smith should be good fits.

[richard pallo]

I would think you would need the threat of a productive run game to make it work.  We think the run game will be more productive but we really don't know.  So unless we prove otherwise there is no reason to fear our run game to start the season.  And I don't think we will have plays designed for Luck to fake a handoff and run himself.  So if Luck returns healthy he is the guy you have to fear and game plan for.  I was reading where we are going to use three TE formation's a lot.  That could give us a chance to see what our run game can do and give extra PP for Luck while at the same time giving our new OL a chance to figure things out.   RPO is something we are going to bring into our offense but that doesn't mean it's going to be effective out of the gate.  You still need a balanced offense to make it work effectively.   We need a run game.  We shall see. 

[Bubba_Rebel]

2 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Didn't Peyton do an RPO offense for years?  The difference is he made his decision presnap instead of after the snap.

Tom Moore gave Peyton a Run to the right, Run to the left or Pass play. Peyton chose it at the line

[Coffeedrinker]

54 minutes ago, Bubba_Rebel said:

Tom Moore gave Peyton a Run to the right, Run to the left or Pass play. Peyton chose it at the line

That's not exactly true.  Moore gave Manning 3 plays, it did include a combination of run/pass but it was not a run right, run left or pass.

[PrincetonTiger]

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

I would think you would need the threat of a productive run game to make it work.  We think the run game will be more productive but we really don't know.  So unless we prove otherwise there is no reason to fear our run game to start the season.  And I don't think we will have plays designed for Luck to fake a handoff and run himself.  So if Luck returns healthy he is the guy you have to fear and game plan for.  I was reading where we are going to use three TE formation's a lot.  That could give us a chance to see what our run game can do and give extra PP for Luck while at the same time giving our new OL a chance to figure things out.   RPO is something we are going to bring into our offense but that doesn't mean it's going to be effective out of the gate.  You still need a balanced offense to make it work effectively.   We need a run game.  We shall see. 

So true

[Farns01]

Let me add from earlier.  RPO's success is designed to attack zone defense but the counter to RPO is man to man defense.   The best strategy is put the TE in motion and see if the defense follows him.  If not they are in a zone if they do then it's a man to man.  If the RPO is run properly the QB only has to focus on one defender.  Which defender is based on the play called.   In some of their video examples they were focused on the flanker.  If the defender playing the flanker reacts to the hand off to the RB then the flanker will be open.  If he doesn't then the RB can be open for a pass.  Philly was very successful utilizing this for about 7 yards per play.  The NFL network compared this to the Wildcat in that it's the BIG new thing but will probably phase out in a few years.

[PrincetonTiger]

19 minutes ago, Farns01 said:

Let me add from earlier.  RPO's success is designed to attack zone defense but the counter to RPO is man to man defense.   The best strategy is put the TE in motion and see if the defense follows him.  If not they are in a zone if they do then it's a man to man.  If the RPO is run properly the QB only has to focus on one defender.  Which defender is based on the play called.   In some of their video examples they were focused on the flanker.  If the defender playing the flanker reacts to the hand off to the RB then the flanker will be open.  If he doesn't then the RB can be open for a pass.  Philly was very successful utilizing this for about 7 yards per play.  The NFL network compared this to the Wildcat in that it's the BIG new thing but will probably phase out in a few years.

RPO is a little less predictable than the Wildcat is

 

     I agree 

       RPO is not really new

[backshoulderfade]

 This is the segment OP is refering to. I recommend it for those looking to understand specific RPO plays that the Eagles utilized. Reich probably had a hand in designing some of it.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

If I'm not mistaken the QB will have to make reads at LOS/quick reads as soon as play starts and be a accurate passer?

[jimmy g]

On 6/5/2018 at 2:46 PM, PrincetonTiger said:

Great chemistry between the QB, RB, and OL

Isnt this basically, what Peyton, Edge, and Marvin did?  Those (to me) were Peyton's best years.  But Peytons release was LightYears ahead of Andrew's (so far)

[PrincetonTiger]

Just now, jimmy g said:

Isnt this basically, what Peyton, Edge, and Marvin did?  Those (to me) were Peyton's best years.  But Peytons release was LightYears ahead of Andrew's (so far)

Yes

 

  

[evilleseniorfan]

I want Luck playing to his talent, PASSING, not risking more injury, running options.

[Jason_]

20 hours ago, evilleseniorfan said:

I want Luck playing to his talent, PASSING, not risking more injury, running options.

 

No one is talking about read option or luck running more.  Maybe try reading the thread before replying 

[Superman]

On 6/5/2018 at 1:52 PM, Coffeedrinker said:

Didn't Peyton do an RPO offense for years?  The difference is he made his decision presnap instead of after the snap.

 

QBs are making a lot of these decisions before the snap, also, unlike the read option decisions which are based on what the read defender does after the snap. Much of the time it's a basic box count.

 

I watched a video with Nick Sirianni recently where he highlighted a desire to get the ball to playmakers within five yards of the line of scrimmage. I'm very much looking forward to seeing this new offense in action.