Revised catch rule approved

[chad72]

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22931857/nfl-owners-approve-new-catch-rule-32-0-vote

 

I think control with two steps was always the norm before, and now pushing an offensive player towards the ground or him lunging etc.

 

To me, it takes away the subjective part of gauging the intent of the player going to the ground or not. It also takes away the element of maintaining control till he gets to the ground if he has already established control.

 

The subjective part that returns is whether he has obtained control with 2 steps and made a football move. I'd rather have it that way - 2 steps and a football move.

 

Like Dean Blandino in this article states

 

"You're just shifting the debate from, 'Was he going to the ground and did he hold on to it?' to 'Did he make a football move?'"

[ColtsBlueFL]

He doesn't have to make a football move (like you catch a ball n the end zone unmolested), just have that smidgen of time with possession/control to have done so. It helps, but there will always be a touch of subjectivity in the catch rule. It's a catch 22.

[aaron11]

good!

 

 

i always thought the going to the ground part of the rule was dumb 

 

[Valpo2004]

On 3/28/2018 at 1:18 PM, ColtsBlueFL said:

He doesn't have to make a football move (like you catch a ball n the end zone unmolested), just have that smidgen of time with possession/control to have done so. It helps, but there will always be a touch of subjectivity in the catch rule. It's a catch 22.

 

That's the thing that's missing in so many people complaining that the NFL can't figure out what a catch is.  While I like this improvement we shouldn't pretend like determining what a catch is within the realm of football is so easy or obvious. 

 

This isn't two people throwing the football around in their back yard.  In football you have issues of what happens in bounds verses what happens out of bounds.  What happens during the play vs. what happens when the play is dead.  What's a catch and a fumble verses just an completion because the receiver couldn't hang on (often due to outside forces.)

 

It's not nearly as obvious as many people think it is. 

[Reality Check]

Let's face it, "technology" plays a part in this whole dilemma.  We have more camera angles & higher resolution than ever before.  It is so obvious when  guy bobbles the ball at any point of completing the "process of a catch".

Another part of the rule is that these things can/will now be reviewed in NYC....adding further delays/interruptions to the game.

I can't wait until the first time that a big game is decided on a call where one set of fans says "he had possession" and the opposing fans say "but he bobbled it in the process"....

 

It also bothers me that Riveron came out this week and said that they, effectively, had implemented this new standard for SB52.  By no means do I think this affected the final outcome of the game, but I am strong believer that they should not be changing ANY rules the week before the SB.

 

Just my opinion... Time will tell....

[Coffeedrinker]

It still wont' stop the refs from cheating for the Patriots.  Like when they not only took a TD away from the jets but then also gave the ball to New England.  Or when they took Pitts TD off the board so they couldn't win the game... that kidn of stuff will still happen.

[Reality Check]

15 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

It still wont' stop the refs from cheating for the Patriots.  Like when they not only took a TD away from the jets but then also gave the ball to New England.  Or when they took Pitts TD off the board so they couldn't win the game... that kidn of stuff will still happen.

^^Must not have seen the refs uphold Corey Clement's TD in SB52.  He clearly bobbled the ball as he was going out of the endzone....yet the ref's did not overturn the TD call in an effort to assist the Patriots.

In similar circumstances during the reg season, we saw Jesse james & Kelvin Benjamin both have TD catches overturned for the same reason (vs. the Patriots).

CONCLUSION: In SB 52, both questionable/reviewed TD catches went AGAINST the Patriots. FACT.

 

My personal opinion, however, is that these calls did not change the outcome of the game.

[chad72]

3 hours ago, Reality Check said:

^^Must not have seen the refs uphold Corey Clement's TD in SB52.  He clearly bobbled the ball as he was going out of the endzone....yet the ref's did not overturn the TD call in an effort to assist the Patriots.

In similar circumstances during the reg season, we saw Jesse james & Kelvin Benjamin both have TD catches overturned for the same reason (vs. the Patriots).

CONCLUSION: In SB 52, both questionable/reviewed TD catches went AGAINST the Patriots. FACT.

 

My personal opinion, however, is that these calls did not change the outcome of the game.

 

I think they did affect the outcome. One of them could not have been a TD and the Eagles may have been playing catch up with more FGs, IMO, especially with the way Brady was slinging it. It looked like they applied currently passed rules in hindsight.

 

The Ertz TD was more likely to be upheld than the Clements TD to me, in hindsight, but both of them went against the Patriots. No one is shedding a tear for the Patriots because of the bevy of calls that have gone in their favor in the regular season with HFA essentially clinched with the Jesse James TD overturn, IMO. So, with their constant success on the field, calls or overturns that go in their favor do get magnified, I understand that too.

 

Just my two cents.  

[Reality Check]

41 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

I think they did affect the outcome. One of them could not have been a TD and the Eagles may have been playing catch up with more FGs, IMO, especially with the way Brady was slinging it. It looked like they applied currently passed rules in hindsight.

 

The Ertz TD was more likely to be upheld than the Clements TD to me, in hindsight, but both of them went against the Patriots. No one is shedding a tear for the Patriots because of the bevy of calls that have gone in their favor in the regular season with HFA essentially clinched with the Jesse James TD overturn, IMO. So, with their constant success on the field, calls or overturns that go in their favor do get magnified, I understand that too.

 

Just my two cents.  

With regards to the new rule, the part I disagree with is that the head of officials (Riveron) has come out and said that they began enforcing this new rule/standard IN THE SB!  Under no circumstances do I think the league should play an entire season & post-season with any given rule & then change that rule for the SB/Championship.

 

[chad72]

14 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

With regards to the new rule, the part I disagree with is that the head of officials (Riveron) has come out and said that they began enforcing this new rule/standard IN THE SB!  Under no circumstances do I think the league should play an entire season & post-season with any given rule & then change that rule for the SB/Championship.

 

 

They do it more than we know. Especially, for years, they allowed more contact from DBs in the playoffs than in the regular season and I felt that was a big part of Peyton's rhythm offense underachieving come playoff time. From Ty Law mugging Marvin to Talib mugging Gronk, it was not till the 2016 season Pats vs Falcons SB that I saw defensive holding and contact enforced more. Just an observation.

 

If my memory serves right, 2012 - the Ravens held their way to a SB, 2013 - Seahawks did a lot, Eric Decker complained a lot to no avail, 2014 - Revis and Browner did their share, 2015 - Broncos CBs did their share. 

 

So, for those 4 years, Ravens, Seahawks, Patriots and Broncos CBs were top 3 in defensive holding/PI penalties each of those years, and their style was allowed all the way till the SB.

[crazycolt1]

The part I think it helps is when a receiver makes the catch crossing the goal line or in the end zone, once the ball is possessed it is a TD. What happens after that makes no difference.

 

[Four2itus]

On 3/31/2018 at 4:33 AM, crazycolt1 said:

The part I think it helps is when a receiver makes the catch crossing the goal line or in the end zone, once the ball is possessed it is a TD. What happens after that makes no difference.

 

....as it should be

[crazycolt1]

16 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

....as it should be

That's right. The same possession as a RB. Once the plain is broke, TD.