21isSuperman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I should say not! No one should be given a SB regardless of "what" happened on the field...if they are officially stripped of it that's humiliating enough. I doubt any of the players who played that SB on the losing team would honor that "transfer" of victory to them because of this....if I was a player I'd still say "we lost"...regardless..."we lost". Just my opinion obviously...I'd feel the same way. Sure, the "official books" may say that we won (and there would be an asterisk by that anyway), but I would still feel as though we lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Now, all those players coming out and saying that the Saints play dirty seem to have been on to something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 where did you see a saint player do thisIt was a hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeSpy Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 im sure they do. we just never hear about it. and that its out in the open no team will admit it.We heard about this one, and so this case should be used to make an example to the other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacolts56 Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 i think the media is blowing this way out of proportion. players are targeted all the time. im sure when the jets play the pats their first thought is lets knock out tom brady. same thing when peyton plays the texans or w/e. football is a violent game and players will get hurt its part of the game.Out of proportion....are you crazy?These are not allegations, this is the result of a league investigation.There's no way in the world Goodell can let this go.Do you realize the avalanche of lawsuits the NFL would face if this kind of PROVEN INTENT was met with a slap on the wrist from the league office? It's 2012.... not 1950, and we have 250-300+ lb. guys running 4.9s at each other. There's enough risk in the game without some * coach running bounties.Mickey Loomis, Sean Payton, Gregg Williams, the players involved and the Saints organization should be absolutely poleaxed for this so no one even thinks about pulling this crap again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeSpy Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Now, all those players coming out and saying that the Saints play dirty seem to have been on to somethingIt certainly causes you to take a step back and think about all the accusations, doesn't it? I've never liked the Saints, but I thought Payton was better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Goodell's biggest issue during his tenure as NFL commish has been player safety. If he really feels so strongly about player safety, the punishments should be very, very harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 It certainly causes you to take a step back and think about all the accusations, doesn't it? I've never liked the Saints, but I thought Payton was better than this.I think it was Tuck (or someone from the Falcons, can't remember) who first came out and said it and people didn't pay much attention to it. Then Adrian Peterson came out and said it and again, people didn't pay much attention to it, but I was thinking to myself "if one person claims it, they might be wrong, but if multiple people claim it..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Anyone else remember those brutal pictures of Favre's bruises after their playoff game against the Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Anyone else remember those brutal pictures of Favre's bruises after their playoff game against the Saints?Still can't believe there wasn't a single flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Out of proportion....are you crazy?These are not allegations, this is the result of a league investigation.There's no way in the world Goodell can let this go.Do you realize the avalanche of lawsuits the NFL would face if this kind of PROVEN INTENT was met with a slap on the wrist from the league office? It's 2012.... not 1950, and we have 250-300+ lb. guys running 4.9s at each other. There's enough risk in the game without some * coach running bounties.Mickey Loomis, Sean Payton, Gregg Williams, the players involved and the Saints organization should be absolutely poleaxed for this so it no one even thinks about pulling this crap again.your missing my point completely. the only reason the saints are getting punished is because they got caught. this goes on in almost all defenses. late hits, dog piles you name it it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeSpy Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I think it was Tuck (or someone from the Falcons, can't remember) who first came out and said it and people didn't pay much attention to it. Then Adrian Peterson came out and said it and again, people didn't pay much attention to it, but I was thinking to myself "if one person claims it, they might be wrong, but if multiple people claim it..."What is also interesting is that the Saints players themselves said that they were going to take 'remember me' shots, regardless of whether or not the QB still had the ball, and still no one paid much attention... And this was not long after the Falcons and Vikings accused them of dirty play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeSpy Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 your missing my point completely. the only reason the saints are getting punished is because they got caught. this goes on in almost all defenses. late hits, dog piles you name it it happens.Okay, no offense intended here at all. What exactly is your opinion about this issue? And when I say that, I mean: What do you think should be done to the Saints?Also, do you think every team should be investigated or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton and Eli fan Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I am not going to say that I honstly believe that Wiliams just started doing this when he got to the Saints but with that said that's where they have the proof he did it. At least right now they don't have proof that he did it with the Redskins (again I am not saying he didn't I am just pointing out they don't have the proof he did it there.). You can't make a team give another team a pick when you don't have proof to back it up beyond saying well he did it at one place there for he must have done it with the Redskins as well. That would be like punishing the Browns because of Spygate because BB was once the head coach there as well.Also as Dynasty said the league will make the Saints give up picks not make them give them to other teams.Apparently some redskins have said that he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Okay, no offense intended here at all. What exactly is your opinion about this issue? And when I say that, I mean: What do you think should be done to the Saints?Also, do you think every team should be investigated or what?i dont agree with the late hits and i would like our players to be safe, but thats impossible. football is a violent and reckless sport. i just dont find it fair that the saints are the only ones getting blame when the majority of defenses do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton and Eli fan Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I think there's a big difference between players doing it among themselves and coaches being the ones to set up the bounties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacolts56 Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 your missing my point completely. the only reason the saints are getting punished is because they got caught. this goes on in almost all defenses.late hits, dog piles you name it it happens.No I'm not.And ALL GMs, head coaches and DCs of those team's defenses know of, participate in and encourage a bounty system...is that what you're saying?Because if you're accurate... and I highly doubt that.... then NFL owners better buckle up and lawyer up,They, and perhaps the league itself, would take major financial hits in court for this kind of thing.... and they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 No I'm not.And ALL GMs, head coaches and DCs of those team's defenses know of, participate in and encourage a bounty system...is that what you're saying?Because if you're accurate... and I highly doubt that.... then NFL owners better buckle up and lawyer up,They, and perhaps the league itself, would take major financial hits in court for this kind of thing.... and they should.teams will do whatever it takes to get an upper hand on another team. every team has secrets some just are never known my the public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 What is also interesting is that the Saints players themselves said that they were going to take 'remember me' shots, regardless of whether or not the QB still had the ball, and still no one paid much attention... And this was not long after the Falcons and Vikings accused them of dirty play.Yeah. So I think the league was going to be more stringent in the Super Bowl (especially after the beating they gave Favre), but I don't remember any late hits or anything from that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Still can't believe there wasn't a single flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Yeah. So I think the league was going to be more stringent in the Super Bowl (especially after the beating they gave Favre), but I don't remember any late hits or anything from that gameThere was an illegal block in the back on the pick-six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 defensive cant wait to get to qbs. regardless if they get the sack once they get to the qb their thinking of hurting him. why do you think we see so many late hits on the qbWe don't see so many late hits on the quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peytonator Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Well to be fair, if my grandpa played a game in the NFL he would probably look similar after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 We don't see so many late hits on the quarterback.i already said the majority of defenses do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fx Stryker Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I like how the Patriots' fans are trying to play devil's advocate. They know good and well if Williams was the D Coord of Kansas City in '08n they'd claim the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 When the Pats put up 52-7 on the Redskins in their 16-0 regular season, they said Belichick had a dislike for Gregg Williams big time.Wonder where the roots of the dislike came from, did they work together at some point in time or were they division rivals sometime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fx Stryker Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 When the Pats put up 52-7 on the Redskins in their 16-0 regular season, they said Belichick had a dislike for Gregg Williams big time.Wonder where the roots of the dislike came from, did they work together at some point in time or were they division rivals sometime?Only thing I know that relates them is from '01-03 Williams was the HC of the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Apparently some redskins have said that he did.Yephttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82759301/article/williams-reportedly-had-pay-for-play-system-as-skins-dc?module=HP11_breaking_newsThe Washington Post reported Friday, after interviewing four players who played under Williams, that Williams operated a similar program when he was defensive coordinator of the Washington Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Only thing I know that relates them is from '01-03 Williams was the HC of the Bills.Aha. Didn't Bledsoe get injured vs the Bills or was it versus someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubaGuy Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I don't think the point is the late hit, per se. With the way rules are written today to favor the QBs, it is almost impossible for defensive players not to commit some amount of "late hits" in every game. The main point is that Greg Williams, a LONG time assistant and former head coach in the league, knowingly flaunted the league rules and violated the CBA agreement by providing these payments/incentives. Every team he has been with...Oilers/Titans, Jaguars, Redskins, and now the Saints...have had a reputation of bounty payments. And with the Jaguars during his tenure, his defense had developed a reputation of stepping across the line of "dirty hits" many times. Not only did he allow the bounty program, he actually paid into it as a management member of the team. When he was told specifically to stop by the GM, he did not. I think Williams will be made an example by Goodell, and the punishment will be severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 i already said the majority of defenses doJust because you said it doesn't make it so. There aren't a lot of late hits on quarterbacks in the NFL these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 There was an illegal block in the back on the pick-six.Are you referring to the one on Peyton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fx Stryker Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Aha. Didn't Bledsoe get injured vs the Bills or was it versus someone else?The injury that knocked him out, and then Brady took over? I believe that was against the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViriLudant Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I like how the Patriots' fans are trying to play devil's advocate. They know good and well if Williams was the D Coord of Kansas City in '08n they'd claim the same thing.Devil's advocate, or being logical?Much more the latter than the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Are you referring to the one on Peyton?I think he is. I am just glad no one leveled Peyton like they did with Kurt Warner, maybe someone from the league did let them know that it cannot happen to Peyton. Kurt Warner, even if it might be a legal hit, he was blindsided and I have seen players just push out QBs in harms way (like they did with Peyton) but not level the QB like they did with Warner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Apparently some redskins have said that he did.It will take more than that. I am going to guess they have some kinda tape either audio or video to prove the saints one. If some players say yeah he did this all it takes is another one to say no he didn't for it become he said vs he said.Like I said I am not buying that he didn't do it with the Redskins I am just saying they don't have the proof for it like they do with the Saints or if they do they haven't presented it yet.Then even if they do they still aren't going to give us a Saints draft pick for it. If they did that other teams are going to say they should get a pick too because you can't say one player is more important than others in the league even though we all know they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I think he is. I am just glad no one leveled Peyton like they did with Kurt Warner, maybe someone from the league did let them know that it cannot happen to Peyton. Kurt Warner, even if it might be a legal hit, he was blindsided and I have seen players just push out QBs in harms way (like they did with Peyton) but not level the QB like they did with Warner.The thing was that there wasn't even a need to really hit Warner like that. If I'm not mistaken the Saints already had about a 28+ pt lead when he threw the interception and it was in the 4th quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fx Stryker Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Devil's advocate, or being logical?Much more the latter than the former.You and I both know if Williams was the D Coord of the Chiefs in '08 you would be making connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buccolts Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Ban the broadcasting of the Saint's 'America's Game' video for eternity.Strip Brees of all his nick names.Really, I heard that Philip Daniels had endorsed Gregg's tactics.At least that's the way they reported it here in Chicago.Philips payed for the Bears for a short period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Just because you said it doesn't make it so. There aren't a lot of late hits on quarterbacks in the NFL these days.what games are you watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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