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5 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

the patriots have won free agency before and then done well that season 

 

the eagles brought in several big names including the super bowl mvp last year

 

DEN went to two Super Bowls (won one) by using FA. JAC should have been in the Super Bowl last season.

 

The notion that FA is a scam is silly. It can absolutely be used to build a winning team. Obvoiusly you have to do more than bring in FAs though.

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1 minute ago, IndyScribe said:

Who'd they spend big on? The only one was Alshon Jeffrey. 

i wouldnt say they won free agency last year, but they had a good class 

 

Jeffrey got 14 million a year.  they also got nick foles

 

chance warmack and torrey smith were big names at one time i guess lol

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52 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

 

DEN went to two Super Bowls (won one) by using FA. JAC should have been in the Super Bowl last season.

 

The notion that FA is a scam is silly. It can absolutely be used to build a winning team. Obvoiusly you have to do more than bring in FAs though.

Agree.

 

I believe the top 6 spenders last year in FA all went to the playoffs in 2017.

 

So this notion that FA is some big scam ripoff is just folly.

 

With the salary cap the way it is now, and expected to grow, you absolutely have to use FA as a way to help build a team.  This idea that building through the draft is the only way is as outdated as a 2 back set.

 

If you want quality, KNOWN quality, you have to pay for it.

 

I said last year, and a few weeks ago, that I am getting a bad feeling about Ballard in the sense I think he is TOO cocky.  He thinks he is smarter than he is.  And I believe he thinks he can build a team by saying FU to FA and not getting known quality but rather going after diamonds in the rough.

 

Good  luck with that.

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24 minutes ago, csmopar said:

that may be, but only a fool goes all in without even having a pair of something in his hand.

Not saying go all in.... Just say at least sit down at the table. We have the 4th largest amount of free agent money.

Trust me, I don't think any of these GM's are fools.

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2 minutes ago, threeflight said:

Agree.

 

I believe the top 6 spenders last year in FA all went to the playoffs in 2017.

 

So this notion that FA is some big scam ripoff is just folly.

 

With the salary cap the way it is now, and expected to grow, you absolutely have to us FA as a way to help build a team.  This idea that building through the draft is the only way is as outdated as a 2 back set.

The only problem I have is, we have the Cap Room to make major moves so why not do it? I get we may miss out on some players like Norwell but as much money as we have there is really no excuse for us not to land 1 or 2 big Free Agents.

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2 minutes ago, threeflight said:

Agree.

 

I believe the top 6 spenders last year in FA all went to the playoffs in 2017.

 

So this notion that FA is some big scam ripoff is just folly.

 

With the salary cap the way it is now, and expected to grow, you absolutely have to us FA as a way to help build a team.  This idea that building through the draft is the only way is as outdated as a 2 back set.

 

How many of those teams were drafting in the top 5 the previous year?  The acquisition of outside free agents tends works best when it's done sparingly to supplement a fairly established roster.

 

Not to jump start a total rebuild which is the situation we find ourselves in.  To use a cooking analogy, the draft is the steak and free agency is the seasoning.

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

The only problem I have is, we have the Cap Room to make major moves so why not do it? I get we may miss out on some players like Norwell but as much money as we have there is really no excuse for us not to land 1 or 2 big Free Agents.

Like who? Who would you have signed? Colts have only missed out on who they have been linked to and all of them(besides Norwell) are overpaid. You act as if all the free agents are gone. There are still some good ones left.

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3 minutes ago, threeflight said:

Agree.

 

I believe the top 6 spenders last year in FA all went to the playoffs in 2017.

 

So this notion that FA is some big scam ripoff is just folly.

 

With the salary cap the way it is now, and expected to grow, you absolutely have to us FA as a way to help build a team.  This idea that building through the draft is the only way is as outdated as a 2 back set.

 

If you want quality, KNOWN quality, you have to pay for it.

 

I said last year, and a few weeks ago, that I am getting a bad feeling about Ballard in the sense I think he is TOO cocky.  He thinks he is smarter than he is.  And I believe he thinks he can build a team by saying FU to FA and not getting known quality but rather going after diamonds in the rough.

 

Good  luck with that.

 

Glad to see another poster who sees things without the Image result for colts sunglasses

The Colts have the money....... 

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14 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

the patriots have won free agency before and then done well that season 

 

the eagles brought in several big names including the super bowl mvp last year

 

The Patriots always do well in any year.  Last year was the first year that I recall they were heavy spenders.  Not sure they help your point.

 

The Eagles brought in a bunch of middle of the road, lower cost free agents - Blount, Long, etc.  Their big splash signings were limited.

 

If you want to make the case you are trying to make, i would go with Jacksonville of the last few years.   A far better example.

 

I would expect the Colts to make several signings but later in the week after the market and stupid money has died down.  I appreciate Ballard's fiscal restraint to not get involved in paying great money for just good players. Free agency is a way to supplement your roster - not as the primary means to build it.

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1 hour ago, jskinnz said:

 

That is not even close to being determined yet.

 

1) By the end of this week, the Colts roster will be better than it is today.

 

2) How often does the winners of free agency actually translate to the field come the Fall?  

 

 

Jaguars last year.. But if we can get decent players at the positions we need for the right price that would make us competitive. Luck went to the AFC finals without a team. If we get a better roster we will definetly be competitive.

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4 minutes ago, jskinnz said:

 

The Patriots always do well in any year.  Last year was the first year that I recall they were heavy spenders.  Not sure they help your point.

 

The Eagles brought in a bunch of middle of the road, lower cost free agents - Blount, Long, etc.  Their big splash signings were limited.

 

If you want to make the case you are trying to make, i would go with Jacksonville of the last few years.   A far better example.

 

I would expect the Colts to make several signings but later in the week after the market and stupid money has died down.  I appreciate Ballard's fiscal restraint to not get involved in paying great money for just good players. Free agency is a way to supplement your roster - not as the primary means to build it.

free agents have been a big part of the patriots legacy, i dont just dismiss that as nothing and say they always do well.  they set records with moss, and revis was probably their best DB ever.  the jags havent won much yet

 

as for us, we have cap space so i think we should spend most of it.  things might be different if we had guys coming up for a pay day, but for the most part we dont 

 

we only have a few guys left from grigsons draft that are worth keeping, that number is probably going to go down fast too

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6 minutes ago, IndyScribe said:

Like who? Who would you have signed? Colts have only missed out on who they have been linked to and all of them(besides Norwell) are overpaid. You act as if all the free agents are gone. There are still some good ones left.

Don't see how I am acting like you say? A bit confused by that comment. All I am saying is I don't see a reason why we wont sign a great player or 2 by tomorrow with the money we have. Who, I have no idea but we have the Cap Room to sign anyone we want in reality.

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2 hours ago, Jaric said:

Remember when Ryan Grigson would attempt to sign all the free agents and we ended up with a bunch of dead weight and dead cap space?  Remember when Bill Polian would hardly ever sign an outside free agent (and the one time he did he got burned on Corey I'd rather get fat than play Simon)?  Which scenario yielded better fruit?

 

I'm perfectly fine if they take a less is more approach to free agency.

Yeah but Polian knew how to Draft. Atleast until last few years. 

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49 minutes ago, Introspect said:

I feel what you are saying but a free agent has proven he can cut it in the NFL. A draft pick can be a college star but it is a mystery if they can take their game up a level. 

The Super Bowl Champ Eagles are making moves and the worst team in the last 2 years is TRYING to make moves. We are sitting back like Peyton Manning is walking into the door.

 

Scared money don't make none. The NFL is a casino....You can't just look at the other guys play at the poker table, you gotta sit sometimes at the big money table and play. 

 

Just my observation and opinion of a non-football professional

 

 

Actually, utilizing the principles of exponential growth, "scared money"  makes tons of money..... if you are patient, and exercise self-discipline with a plan...... hey, just like building a truly solid foundation for an NFL roster!  To continue your casino analogy to free agency..... remember, in the end, the house ALWAYS wins.....

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1 hour ago, ThorstenDenmark said:

Okay, no "big" signings yet, why? 

Answer:

Would you rather play on a team going to the playoffs or just go for/ after the money?

 

Yes we have a ton of money available for signing big name players, but Luck and the team first need to prove they are not an 4-12 team. 

Lucks is returning this season, which instantly makes our team better, and thereby indirectly more attractive for big time players, willing to take less money to play for the colts.

As of right now, only money hungering big free agent players want to sign for the colts. And Ballard dont want them on our team. He want players like sheard, simon, bostic, Hunt etc. 

Players who believe they can win with us, regardless of how much money they are paid. Players who love the game and wants to play for a TEAM, not themselves.

 

So are we signing big time free agents, yes we are, but only those players who are all in and wants to play for the colts and whos willing to take less money.

 

I would have loves Norwell, Robinson and Hitchens, but then we would have ZERO money to spend on the rest.

 

In Ballard I trust so dont go into panic mode yet guys.  

 

Why?    Because the race has barely started!     The window Judy opened.   Other teams have taken one stride and you're complaining we're behind as if the race is almost over.

 

A couple of hundred players are going to sign.   How many have signed already?   Less than 10? 

 

Odds are we lost Norwell because Florida doesn't have state tax.   That chunk of change is often the difference.   Plus the Jags are already playoff level and we're... well....   not.

 

 

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Wow... Reading all these posts makes me want to go to the casino again, however, I'd probably go on tilt and lose $1,000. Ballard is obviously not very adept in FA. We have so much cap space, there's no reason not to offer more as we have to spend 89% of our cap space. Feel like a Tampa Rays Fan here that doesn't want to spend any money. Already depressed about FA.

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21 minutes ago, Introspect said:

Not saying go all in.... Just say at least sit down at the table. We have the 4th largest amount of free agent money.

Trust me, I don't think any of these GM's are fools.

How do you know he hasn't?  By all reports, we were in on all those big names thus far but none took our offer.

18 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

The only problem I have is, we have the Cap Room to make major moves so why not do it? I get we may miss out on some players like Norwell but as much money as we have there is really no excuse for us not to land 1 or 2 big Free Agents.

Again, same question as above.  Plus, how do you know we didn't offer more money but they chose elsewhere for whatever reason?  It wouldnt be the first time a FA has turned down the highest offer and taken slightly less to go to a different team.

16 minutes ago, IndyScribe said:

Like who? Who would you have signed? Colts have only missed out on who they have been linked to and all of them(besides Norwell) are overpaid. You act as if all the free agents are gone. There are still some good ones left.

Exactly^

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2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Why?    Because the race has barely started!     The window Judy opened.   Other teams have taken one stride and you're complaining we're behind as if the race is almost over.

 

A couple of hundred players are going to sign.   How many have signed already?   Less than 10? 

 

Odds are we lost Norwell because Florida doesn't have state tax.   That chunk of change is often the difference.   Plus the Jags are already playoff level and we're... well....   not.

 

 

ZERO ZERO have signed.  Nobody can sign until 4pm EST TOMORROW, MARCH 14th...  All they can do is give a verbal agreement and can still change their minds on where to sign (See Frank Gore to the Eagles, then backing out and coming to the Colts)

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1 minute ago, csmopar said:

ZERO ZERO have signed.  Nobody can sign until 4pm EST TOMORROW, MARCH 14th...  All they can do is give a verbal agreement and can still change their minds on where to sign (See Frank Gore to the Eagles, then backing out and coming to the Colts)

 

Geez...   you think I don't know?

 

Come on..   just a figure of speech...   nothing more.

 

And let's not hold our breath for another Frank Gore type moment.   Those rarely happen.

 

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Just now, NewColtsFan said:

 

Geez...   you think I don't know?

 

Come on..   just a figure of speech...   nothing more.

 

And let's not hold our breath for another Frank Gore type moment.   Those rarely happen.

 

I'm not.  I'm just saying that its still premature to judge this FA period and Ballard when it is A: premature and B: no way to know what we did or did not offer.

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24 minutes ago, Jaric said:

 

How many of those teams were drafting in the top 5 the previous year?  The acquisition of outside free agents tends works best when it's done sparingly to supplement a fairly established roster.

 

Not to jump start a total rebuild which is the situation we find ourselves in.  To use a cooking analogy, the draft is the steak and free agency is the seasoning.

 

I think it's more like a Porterhouse and the strip is the draft and the filet is FA.

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21 minutes ago, IndyScribe said:

Like who? Who would you have signed? Colts have only missed out on who they have been linked to and all of them(besides Norwell) are overpaid. You act as if all the free agents are gone. There are still some good ones left.

 

Go after the woman you want. The hottest in the room. They will get the attention of everyone in the room but if your game is strong it can be great for all involved. Just don't wait until 20 minutes before closing at 2am and fool yourself into believing "some good ones are left"

 

Don't take the leftovers. 

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1 minute ago, shastamasta said:

 

I think it's more like a Porterhouse and the strip is the draft and the filet is FA.

 

What's funny about that is I don't generally care for filets and I'm here arguing against major FA moves lol

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I don't feel too strongly one way or another how things have panned out so far, but personally I thought this would've been the one offseason it'd be okay to overspend for some guys like Norwell and Hitchens.

We're not about to be re-signing any in-house FA's to huge deals within the next couple years. Why not get some solid talent whose contracts run out/have an out by the time we actually do have to pay some young guys big (Hooker, Wilson, Mack, etc.) 

Obviously FA isn't done and Ballard's going to get some guys. Probably some good ones on good deals, guys like the John Simon's and the Jabal Sheard's, which is fine with me.

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1 minute ago, csmopar said:

I'm not.  I'm just saying that its still premature to judge this FA period and Ballard when it is A: premature and B: no way to know what we did or did not offer.

I don't care what he did or didn't offer. If he did offer it, he didn't close the deal. If he didn't offer it, he's an inept GM. He didn't get us Norwell who was a HUGE need to protect Andrew Luck. This isn't up for debate, Luck needs protection, and even if Ballard wants Nelson, he can't guarantee he'll get him unless he trades up. You basically had a chance to get a version of Quinton Nelson and fill that need with only money, and Ballard didn't do it. He also missed out on other targets, meaning he has trouble closing deals, or he's just cheap, which doesn't work in FA. We aren't a great destination, we have to pay more.

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1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I don't care what he did or didn't offer. If he did offer it, he didn't close the deal. If he didn't offer it, he's an inept GM. He didn't get us Norwell who was a HUGE need to protect Andrew Luck. This isn't up for debate, Luck needs protection, and even if Ballard wants Nelson, he can't guarantee he'll get him unless he trades up. You basically had a chance to get a version of Quinton Nelson and fill that need with only money, and Ballard didn't do it. He also missed out on other targets, meaning he has trouble closing deals, or he's just cheap, which doesn't work in FA. We aren't a great destination, we have to pay more.

I agree mostly, but I'm gonna wait until the dust settles and then see where things are.   There's still time for Ballard to up his offer to Norwell. Not saying a switch would happen or there's a snow ball's chance in Miami that it'll happen but until the ink is put to paper, I'm not gonna freak out.  

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10 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I'm not.  I'm just saying that its still premature to judge this FA period and Ballard when it is A: premature and B: no way to know what we did or did not offer.

 

I'm not judging Ballard.   The other poster I was responding to was judging Ballard.  I was explaining why his concerns were premature.

 

I was actually defending Ballard.

 

 

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Just now, NewColtsFan said:

 

I'm not judging Ballard.   The other poster I was responding to was judging Ballard.  I was explaining why his concerns were premature.

 

I was actually defending Ballard.

 

 

I know.  So am I.  Those comments were for the other poster. I was merely clarifying 

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39 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Wow... Reading all these posts makes me want to go to the casino again, however, I'd probably go on tilt and lose $1,000. Ballard is obviously not very adept in FA. We have so much cap space, there's no reason not to offer more as we have to spend 89% of our cap space. Feel like a Tampa Rays Fan here that doesn't want to spend any money. Already depressed about FA.

 

That 89% rule applies for 4-year period (2017-2020), not for any single year. And it's cash spending, not cap. They can spend as little as they want this year, as long as they spend 89% of the salary caps between '17-'20.

 

But we as we really don't have enough talent on our roster from '15 and '16 drafts, it pretty much means that CB has to start spending money on FAs sooner or later.

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7 minutes ago, thatonefan said:

But for an All-Pro at a major position of need when we have $70 million in cap space? It's at least worth considering.

It is, and it appears it was considered, as reports had u s involved with Norwell's agent on some level.  Just didn't work out it seems.

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19 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Wow... Reading all these posts makes me want to go to the casino again, however, I'd probably go on tilt and lose $1,000. Ballard is obviously not very adept in FA. We have so much cap space, there's no reason not to offer more as we have to spend 89% of our cap space. Feel like a Tampa Rays Fan here that doesn't want to spend any money. Already depressed about FA.

 

You may have something there.

Hopefully your wrong OR he gets better at it. Lol

 

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12 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I don't care what he did or didn't offer. If he did offer it, he didn't close the deal. If he didn't offer it, he's an inept GM. He didn't get us Norwell who was a HUGE need to protect Andrew Luck. This isn't up for debate, Luck needs protection, and even if Ballard wants Nelson, he can't guarantee he'll get him unless he trades up. You basically had a chance to get a version of Quinton Nelson and fill that need with only money, and Ballard didn't do it. He also missed out on other targets, meaning he has trouble closing deals, or he's just cheap, which doesn't work in FA. We aren't a great destination, we have to pay more.

 

Exactly. Thats what I said in a couple of other threads.

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Man it’s awesome everyone’s interaction. Like it or not some if you, if not many of you don’t seem to.

 

Ballard has a vision and it seems our organisation does too. Like it or not ballards decision are based on a fundamental belief of how to build a team and who to recruit.

 

We have had post about how good the guys are in the the front office yet we give them no time to build. once burnt twice shy look grigson screwed us if we had gone straight from pollian to Ballard I don’t think we’d have the same impatience. 

 

The teams who went heavy for FA last year did well yes, but that was after solid drafts and then bringing in FA to push them. 5 years at 14 mil puts you In a-bind if norwell goes down. 

 

We have some good players, a solid draft with mid round FA can yield a great team if coached correctly.

 

time will tell my fun loving horse shoe amigos.

 

peace out homies,

 

JP

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